High Rise Rinse pricing?

C & M Sevices

C & M Sevices

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I have a guy who wants to sub me out to rinse a 17 story condo. It is 72,000 sq ft, he has the staging already, and he says he only wants to knock the dirt off before he does some limited painting and caulking. My question is how much should I be asking for on this job? He is telling me that he only wants a rinse and no chems or soaps will be used.
 
Pricing is tough. really have to see whats involved and usually with high rise there is a ton involved in just moving rigging, the public and timing

I would also want to use at least some kind of soap to clean, dirt moves/cleans a lot easier with soap. Just water takes longer and just doesnt loosen the dirt & dust you will find on the buildings

Good luck with the project
 
Many times people say they don't want any chems or hot water used, but then are not happy when the building isn't clean.

Are you comfortable working at those heights? How quickly does he need it done? It will take a while for you to clean that entire building by yourself. He may need it done faster.

Just break it down into smaller sections that you think you can clean in a day and figure out how many days it will take. It will always take longer than you think. Figure out how much you want to earn in a day and add up your expenses.
 
Does he want the whole thing rinsed or just where he is working?thats the key he might only want it spot rinsed.

I think if you use chem you will streak it if your spot cleaning.You will have to use a window washing rig from the roof I don't think you can geta manlift that will get to the top.A crane with a manbasket is the other option,all very expensive options.You could get the biggest lift and xjet from the top of the boom lift point.He will probably have the lifting equipment rented for the job though because he is going to need it too.

I would also just ask what hes got in for the cleaning,I ask my contractors what they are willing to pay or what they put into the job for the cleaning and we go from there.He obviously knows whats there if he already bid the job and won it.
 
I would be worried because of what Jeff said, and that has been my experience as well. I cannot tell you how many times I have been told that the person is not demanding that they have been the pickiest customer out there.
I would quite honestly insist on doing it the way you would normally do it, and get the price that you normally get. That is the only way you will not run the risk of a satisfied customer.
 
Jeff , again brings up some good points. alot to think about if you have never done any work like this. If the pay was good I would come down ad help lol
 
Thanks. Until I get closer to the job and find exactly what he wants it is hard to say what kind of pricing a job like this will have. From what he has told too is that he only has the staging for a week so he is on time constraints. Soap would help loosen the dirt and I will bring this up to him in the morning. I just wanted to go into it wit an idea of what to charge for a job like this. He has a crew to run the staging and to move it for each drop. Also, I would only have to rinse during the drop and his guys would move the staging each time. I don't have a problem with heights either.
 
17 stories up is pretty high even if your not afraid of heights. :eek: and keeping in mind that your not in the bldg and that your outside on scaffolding. :eek: I'm pretty good with heights too but I think I know for a fact that I would be shaking like a leaf. Another thing to consider is how do you plan on pulling chems at that height? x-jet? Chem line at the gun out of a bucket? Remember that line gets REAL HEAVY even at 20-30 ft up never mind 170 ft. As far as pricing,,,Well,,, your in Florida just like me...:confused:
 
.25 a sq ft and i will hang upside down from my ankles and get er done...
 
I would say around .20to .25 sqft
 
C & M Sevices said:
Thanks. Until I get closer to the job and find exactly what he wants it is hard to say what kind of pricing a job like this will have. From what he has told too is that he only has the staging for a week so he is on time constraints. Soap would help loosen the dirt and I will bring this up to him in the morning. I just wanted to go into it wit an idea of what to charge for a job like this. He has a crew to run the staging and to move it for each drop. Also, I would only have to rinse during the drop and his guys would move the staging each time. I don't have a problem with heights either.
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I've done a few high rises I think 4 in my PW biz and we have 1 or 2 coming up this year. Pricing is hard. I price for everything from start to stop, rigging, time & materials etc etc. I just don't have a sq ft price to give you I wish I did. Just make sure it is worth your time and you get a premium. Heights are heights and you should get paid well. I have lost a lot more high rise bids than I have ever gotten, I will not do it cheap or for the same $$$ as if I was on a 2 or 3 story. I have no problems with heights either, but a windy day can be a little scary, make sure his rigging cables are new or damn close to new. I was a rigger in the painters union and did plenty of high crazy stuff real crazy death defying stuff ( I was younger & crazy) if someone else is setting stuff up, make sure you go and give it a quick check, for tie backs, proper clamps etc etc and have a good safety line and rope grab and you will be OK


Heres a couple pics from a few years ago. The 1st one is just a gravity cleaning. It was mildew and we sprayed from the top and let the chem roll down and then rinsed, easy safe money. The other pics are me in a basket , the last drop it got windy as heck and I cleaned faster than I ever did before. I was swinging in the wind trying bot to bounce of the stucco building

If you get it have fun ;) :D
 

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jlpressure said:
LOL, he's telling the truth. I saw him upside down at a night out after the Myrtle Beach RT, lol Nick is a get er done kind of guy
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What's up my brother...
 
cajun cleanin said:
25 cents a foot is $18750 by my calculator.

I think he's gonna be around 4 grand just for a rinse and he supplies all the lifts maybe less.Depending on the width you should be in and out in 3 days.Let's see what the condo king thinks.
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Ya you won't get anywhere near the 18K just for washing, no rigging. If its straight drops off the staging. I figure for 2 guys i want a very minimum of $2200 - $2500 a day and add on any other cost materials, equipment fuel rigging etc. One guy just you $1500++ plus materials

The only problem I see is you may have a lot of stand around time waiting for them to rig, but maybe not is he only has the rigging for a week

If they are rigging everything for you it actually makes it a pretty damn easy job. I would love not to have to rig and just come in and wash. Sounds like this is a 1 - 2 day jobs since he only has the staging for a week
 
Now that Jeff clear my mind it would be lower I would say total of about 5 to 6 k
 
I just met with him on site today. The side of the building that faces the gulf is all balconies. We were talking about this and figured we can clean this side of the building while his crew moves the staging. Total job time will be approx 4-5 days max for us and around 11 for him. He says when he figures a bid he charges around $55/hr for him and $35 for skilled labor. $.05 puts us in the $50 an hr range for a 5 day job. We still need to add material costs on top of that.

The job in itself is fairly easy. Everything is flat. The patios are even easy to access. Maybe 7 drops on the entire job on the staging and the rest of the building can be done from balconies.

The thing is he has a pressure washer but doesn't trust his crew to get the job done right. In the past they have burnt up 2 pressure washers of his by just being dumb. If I bid to high then it is in his interest to do it him self and if I go to low I just screw myself. I honestly would be happy to make $2,000-$3500 on this job. It isn't bad cash for 5 days work. I will however leave it if I feel it is an unsafe enviornment, i.e. his crew cutting corners, trying to go in high winds, things like that.
 
C & M Sevices said:
I just met with him on site today. The side of the building that faces the gulf is all balconies. We were talking about this and figured we can clean this side of the building while his crew moves the staging. Total job time will be approx 4-5 days max for us and around 11 for him. He says when he figures a bid he charges around $55/hr for him and $35 for skilled labor. $.05 puts us in the $50 an hr range for a 5 day job. We still need to add material costs on top of that.

The job in itself is fairly easy. Everything is flat. The patios are even easy to access. Maybe 7 drops on the entire job on the staging and the rest of the building can be done from balconies.

The thing is he has a pressure washer but doesn't trust his crew to get the job done right. In the past they have burnt up 2 pressure washers of his by just being dumb. If I bid to high then it is in his interest to do it him self and if I go to low I just screw myself. I honestly would be happy to make $2,000-$3500 on this job. It isn't bad cash for 5 days work. I will however leave it if I feel it is an unsafe enviornment, i.e. his crew cutting corners, trying to go in high winds, things like that.
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I don't know man, sounds pretty shaky to me. The most you can make is $500 a day and use your equipment and risk your life. Sounds like his crew isnt the brightest either, they may screw up the rigging. No way for $2000, I hate to say, $3500 too but thats up to you brother. The thing is what if its more than 5 days, do you have to get on each balcony to wash it properly, some you do, some you don't. If you do thats a lot of real PITA work

Good luck with it and be carefull brother

Jeff
 
His crew may not be the brightest but I trust him to make sure that it is properly rigged. He has to get on it too and won't jump out there unless it is done right.
5 days is pleanty of time. It will be a pain to go onto every balcony but everytime they move the staging I will have 2-3 hours of downtime. To fill that time I will hit those balconies to knock it out. We can also go in the day before we get the staging and start on the baloconies so possibly have a good portion of it done before we ever go over the side. There are only 48 of them.
Safety is at the top of my list.
 
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