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Here is how nice stainless cleans up with the right product.

I will check on monday if I can hook you up with the Klean wall at a better price than kleen rite.
 

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The local vendor here sells that Kleen Wall product and wants like 75.00 per 5er. The sales guy said it will take anything off as i left laughing at him and his price. Do some of the local vendors not know that you can request the MSDS sheet on this stuff and see what the main ingredietes are and go from there with your own mixes
 
steven CLR is phosphoric acid. If it works for you use it you can get bigger quantitys than the bottles.

Haven't seen phosphoric acid in clr before. It's actually a combination of acids with the main being glycolic acid, and then sulfamic,caprylic, and citric. The sulfamic is a rust removal replacement for hydrochloric..more inhibited or safer around metal (good boiler descaler for the diy minded :) ). The caprylic/octanoic acid (the disodium ingredient) is a surfactant. Citric acid gets deposits and does metal chelating/water softening. Clr also has what is known as butyl (2-butoxi,cellosolve, etc.) as yer organic solvent or go between. http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/msds/Docs/wcd00025/wcd025c3.htm Read MSDS url for the percentages..you can just make it if ya like.. LOL :)
The purpose of mixing acids and the surfactant/detergents is so that surface tension is beat and the different acids and solvent can work on both organic and synthetic layers of grime. Not surprised the caustic or butyl alone didn't do the trick. You need both mineral/organic action with acid and solvent to cut such stuff. Neither one or the other is much good unless paired up.
 
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ps- In trying to find an old well cleaning article I used to refer to about the glycolic acid I ran up on this one instead-http://ezinearticles.com/?Glycolic-Acid-in-Industrial-Use&id=828437
Reminds me to offer warning that glycolic (clr) needs to be used real careful around new crete or tile installs like in kitchens. You can eat the mortar for instance in a new construction cleanup if ya go to strong.
 
I don't see a msds for the Kleen Wall product yet.(kleen rite via apchemical.com).. Here's an old one for Revive though: http://siri.org/msds/f2/bqt/bqtqn.html
Some manfactures prone to a more hidden nature will delve very deep into the act of non disclosure and/or synonym use. If you pull up msds for Whippit as example you'll see them get away without disclosing anything useful-http://www.floridacarwash.com/Whippit.html , http://www.floridacarwash.com/files/Whippit_MSDS.pdf
Since butyl doesn't have to be disclosed I'll assume it in there. the Health Hazzard part appears to be a copy/paste straight off other msds that address risks of butyl. If'n I was searching for a product without butyl I might shy away from manufactures using such a practice of a total hiding of ingredients. Cas #'s of questionable stuff should always be listed in this day and age of the concern green buyer or professionals that need to know.
 
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Do some of the local vendors not know that you can request the MSDS sheet on this stuff and see what the main ingredietes are and go from there with your own mixes

Ok, so you've bought several drums of raw materials (usually $400 - $700 per drum), and mixed a drum of what you perceive to be the product. Now how about product liability insurance, an MSDS on the product you've made, registry with the hazardous materials safety people (the 800 number on the MSDS for spillage safety info for first responders). I manufacture chems, and I had to spend around $5500 before I made my first drum of truck wash. There are 9 different raw materials in it (4 powders and 5 liquids), and all had to be purchased in drums or 50# bags.

Plus, the MSDS doesn't list ingredients that are non-hazardous, but are vital to the product's performance.

I'm not being condescending in any way, just trying to show you the reality of the situation.
 
Great point Russ, Imagine if there was an accident and you got overwhelmed by vapors or somehow you are unconscious and the Ambulance arrives and do not know what you are using.

They will start looking in the truck for an MSDS Book which needs to be within reach of the driver for that reason but also if you are stopped by D.O.T. State Trooper for routine inspection or if you were speeding or have a light out, etc....

If you do not have an MSDS, they can assume worst case scenario and call out a HAZMAT Team which you really don't want to have happen and the price will be around $1000.00 per hour for service, cleanup, disposal, etc....

Much, much easier to have an MSDS Book in the truck with all chem papers there.

You also need to have all containers labeled that contain powders or liquids or you can get fined.

Sorry about the rambling, they are enforcing this stuff here in Texas already and I know 2 guys that got tickets, one was just a few hundred dollars, the other was a lot more but he would not tell me how much.





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I mix small quantity usually onsite as needed for my own use which I believe to be ok as long as I am not transporting or violating voc law...could be wrong though. Individual products have msds by manufacture and proper packaging for transport so they covered. There is compatability regs of what HM products can be transported with another but haven't checked up on it or really whether any of the stuff we use are involved.
I like the consumer commodity speak found on the DOT site: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-security/hazmat/complyhmregs.htm
 
Great point Russ, Imagine if there was an accident and you got overwhelmed by vapors or somehow you are unconscious and the Ambulance arrives and do not know what you are using.

They will start looking in the truck for an MSDS Book which needs to be within reach of the driver for that reason but also if you are stopped by D.O.T. State Trooper for routine inspection or if you were speeding or have a light out, etc....

If you do not have an MSDS, they can assume worst case scenario and call out a HAZMAT Team which you really don't want to have happen and the price will be around $1000.00 per hour for service, cleanup, disposal, etc....

Much, much easier to have an MSDS Book in the truck with all chem papers there.

You also need to have all containers labeled that contain powders or liquids or you can get fined.

Sorry about the rambling, they are enforcing this stuff here in Texas already and I know 2 guys that got tickets, one was just a few hundred dollars, the other was a lot more but he would not tell me how much.


Excellent points to remember there, Chris.
 
Not trying to hijack the thread and while we are talking about chemicals, Does anyone have labels that they buy that hold up good to put on your buckets or tanks of chemicals to have them properly labeled?

I have tried a few like the Avery kind from Office Depot but I want a better label and will be searching for some, just wondering if anyone has found a good one yet?

Thanks.





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One good supplier out here seems to have the market on having their msds right on the packaging whether it single gallons, fivers, boxes or whatever. First time ya buy somethin from a supplier they should automatically send the msds. Speaks volumes to me on how organized and professional such suppliers are.... Others should take note!
 
Wax and sealers are base materials. They are more easily removed using acid. Many people I have spoken with {Chemical Mfgs. and Contractors} recommend HF for this type of cleaning.
 
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