CETA Executive Board and BMPS

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Robert Hinderliter

Hall of Fame Member
I now need help with CETA adopting the Model Ordinance that is up on the EPA’s Website for Cosmetic Cleaning, http://www.epa.gov/nps/ordinance/documents/FortWorthSW.pdf. CETA basically has two economic revenue streams to choose from:

1. Reasonable, Rational, and Logical. This entails to adopting the Model Ordinance up on the EPA’s website and supporting the UAMCC and PWNA positions.
2. Heavy Enforcement and compliance interpretation of the CWA which creates revenue driven sales of environmental equipment for CETA member companies.

The Executive Board of CETA is now deciding which of these avenues CETA will endorse, or maybe choose something in between.
It is to the Contract Cleaners advantage for Option No. 1 to happen. I need everyone to call the CETA Executive Board and discuss with them why it is to their advantage to have the BMPs to be rational, reasonable, and logical in order to assure a larger customer base. If the ordinances are based on Option No. 2, then CETA will have a smaller market base of a few elite customers. Also, it will be harder for small companies and individuals to comply because of the expense.
Both options result in the same pollutants in the storm drains. It is up to each municipality to choose which option they are going to take. I believe it is better to have Option No. 1 where you have the opportunity for more companies and individuals to be compliance at less expense. This is especially true since the net results of pollutants in the storm drains is almost the same.
The CETA Executive Board is:
President
Gregg Brodsky
Alkota Cleaning Systems Inc.
110 Iowa Street
Alcester, SD 57001
509-990-2919
Fax: 509-924-7679
gbrodsky@alkota.com
SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT
John R. Purswell
Alklean Industries Inc.
2111 Catalina Drive
Pasadena, TX 77503
281-479-5966
Fax: 281-479-3890
johnpsr@alklean.com
VICE PRESIDENT
Aaron Auger
Mi-T-M Corporation
PO Box 50
Peosta, IA 52068
563-556-7484 Ext. 216
Fax: 563-556-1235
aauger@mitm.com
SECRETARY / TREASURER
Mike Turner
Etowah Chemical Sales & Service
PO Box 4416
Gadsden, AL 35904-0416
256-547-7527
Fax: 256-547-7555
mturner@etowahchemicals.com
EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBER AT Large
William Sommers
Pressure Systems Inc.
1646 East Jefferson Street
Phoenix, AZ 85034-2422
602-253-9579
Fax: 602-253-6248
bill@psi-mistair.com
Please call each member, I need your help. Their decision will largely be influenced by your response.
Respectfully,
Robert Hinderliter
Environmental Chairman PWNA
Environmental Consultant UAMCC
President, Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth
2513 Warfield St, Ft. Worth, TX 76106-7554
Direct Line: 800-211-0286, 817-529-6601, Cell: 817-366-3041
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Robert, I know yall have experience in KEC. You always bring up cosmetic cleaning, I dont think KEC is cosmetic.........is it? Is there anything that applies to us or anything we should watch out for?

For example, I know a guy that knows a guy who has a brother in law that on occasion, if theres no other option........cleans the filters in the alleyway. Its not cosmetic, its mandated by the state for them to be cleaned. What if ALL wash water went through a grease trap first?
 
KEC Wash Water

Most juridictions will accept all of the KEC Wash Water into the grease trap. Feel free to call me for more information.
 
Robert, is the KEC, Cosmetic Pressure Washing, Fleet Washing, etc.... most aspects of pressure washing in that dvd of yours' that I ordered???

Thanks.
 
Robert, I hope you are doing much better now after your recent troubles.

I haven't met you and I don't know you very well, but I've heard many good things about you.

With that said, I've tried to soak in every bit of information I could get from your website including all the written material and the Loooooooooong videos....:p.

Your BMP's look good and would be outstanding for our industry if hot water washing was exempted in all situations and all the government red tape - (permits, fees, etc) was removed.

This post of yours is bold and either you are really a good guy who really does care about the average working guy in this industry or you are the best actor in the world. I feel certain you are the former.


Your post reveals what I've been trying to explain for a long time. You are asking us to help keep manufacturers from using their political muscle to the detriment of our industry.

Robert, I know this is just how things happen in the US. But guys just don't seem to understand that the rules we live by are sculpted by manufacturers whose goal is to sell merchandise. Laws, licensing fees, etc. are also written by the wealthiest competitors to their advantage.

The only way to beat this is for contractors to organize and fight against it. We cannot win by "complying", "accepting", "compromising" but just plain fighting tooth and nail against it.

Will the UAMCC do it or will they also be led by the manufacturers who pay a big portion of the bills? Only time will tell. I know they support your BMP's now. Will it last?

Why is there a need for paying fees to the government for the right to work? Can this simply be removed from the nationally promoted BMP's?

Thanks
 
Tony Shelton said:
Robert, I hope you are doing much better now after your recent troubles.

I haven't met you and I don't know you very well, but I've heard many good things about you.

With that said, I've tried to soak in every bit of information I could get from your website including all the written material and the Loooooooooong videos....:p.

Your BMP's look good and would be outstanding for our industry if hot water washing was exempted in all situations and all the government red tape - (permits, fees, etc) was removed.

This post of yours is bold and either you are really a good guy who really does care about the average working guy in this industry or you are the best actor in the world. I feel certain you are the former.


Your post reveals what I've been trying to explain for a long time. You are asking us to help keep manufacturers from using their political muscle to the detriment of our industry.

Robert, I know this is just how things happen in the US. But guys just don't seem to understand that the rules we live by are sculpted by manufacturers whose goal is to sell merchandise. Laws, licensing fees, etc. are also written by the wealthiest competitors to their advantage.

The only way to beat this is for contractors to organize and fight against it. We cannot win by "complying", "accepting", "compromising" but just plain fighting tooth and nail against it.
Will the UAMCC do it or will they also be led by the manufacturers who pay a big portion of the bills? Only time will tell. I know they support your BMP's now. Will it last?

Yes it will last Tony. We talked interviewed and questioned Robert on many occasions before we had Robert on a Enviro Consultant and our talks focused on what is in the best interest of the contractors. I know you think negative about anything UAMCC, I feel thats your hang up and something you can deal with,The UAMCC will move forward on whats best for contractors, because its will be run by contractors and no one else. You say manufacturers pay a big portion of the bills, actually this a mistatement on the actual facts and wrong, they do not pay a big portion. Although the UAMCC has vendor members and we ask questions of them and value our vendor members and they suppy our members with tools and products, this is a org of and for contractors, no matter what you say or insinuate. Tony maybe you dont know but Vendor Members can't vote for or be on the UAMCC Board of Directors. I think you could guess why that is. Only contractor members can vote and be on the BOD so we keep it in the best interest of the contractors
Will it last? yes Tony, The UAMCC will always support smart BMP's, That was shown in Charlotte when the UAMCC, Carlos and Robert fought for a reasonable BMP, many calls, many emails, meetings and in the end good things we're and are being worked out
I say thanks Tony for your support, you actually support something the UAMCC has done and that is to fight for reasonable BMP's and having Robert as our Enviro Consultant...

Why is there a need for paying fees to the government for the right to work? Can this simply be removed from the nationally promoted BMP's?

Thanks
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It sure looks like this will be a fluid issue for a long time, but the UAMCC will help fight the fight when and where we can. We are a young org, but we are a Org of and for contractors. Thanks
 
jlpressure said:
It sure looks like this will be a fluid issue for a long time, but the UAMCC will help fight the fight when and where we can. We are a young org, but we are a Org of and for contractors. Thanks
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Jeff, what's going on so far with Robert and the UAMCC is looking good.

I don't think negative of "anything" UAMCC, I just have seen the subtle favoritism that exists with certain members and have not other choice than to assume that the same type of favoritism will continue into the vendor area. Why wouldn't I assume that? It's just logical.

Did the UAMCC do something good in Charlotte? Yes, I think so. Is the UAMCC committed to the contractor at all costs? (small home depot PW guy all the way up to the largest contractor???) I'm just not convinced yet. That's what I'm waiting to find out.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Jeff, what's going on so far with Robert and the UAMCC is looking good.

I don't think negative of "anything" UAMCC, I just have seen the subtle favoritism that exists with certain members and have not other choice than to assume that the same type of favoritism will continue into the vendor area. Why wouldn't I assume that? It's just logical.

Did the UAMCC do something good in Charlotte? Yes, I think so. Is the UAMCC committed to the contractor at all costs? (small home depot PW guy all the way up to the largest contractor???) I'm just not convinced yet. That's what I'm waiting to find out.
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I hear you and I listen to everything you and others say along with many that are involved in the UAMCC. I assure you we all listen, whether its positive or negative, its how we all learn and form ideas. I just want to assure you we are on the side of the contractor on BMP's, I tell you thats a given

As for small and large...YES we as an org, the BB's ar all committed to educating each other and those who are just starting out. Many will never be convinced on many things, not just UAMCC things, all that can be done is keep moving and try to show with actions. Will our actions always be RIGHT ON, I would hope but I am a realist, there will always be bumps in the road but once again we are trying and the members are trying

As for the BMP's I wish I could just put my head in the sand, but thats not the real world, this enviro stuff is going to be a part of our industry and even more so because of YOUR treehugging buddy Obama and the dems :p
 
Jeff, you know I've said from the beginning I dont' think you would promote something you don't believe in. But then again.....you believed in Obama....:D:D:D

I'm just watching and waiting and bringing up issues to think about. I don't want to be the "arch-enemy". I just don't want the "hack" excluded before he gets a chance to learn. I was a "hack" before I learned. I suspect you were too.

PS. Tell Carlos he's already baned.....bained.....(I know how to spell it - that's why I'm not accepted in the PW community) from my coil cleaning forum...:p:p:p:p
 
Tony Shelton said:
Jeff, you know I've said from the beginning I dont' think you would promote something you don't believe in. But then again.....you believed in Obama....:D:D:D

I'm just watching and waiting and bringing up issues to think about. I don't want to be the "arch-enemy". I just don't want the "hack" excluded before he gets a chance to learn. I was a "hack" before I learned. I suspect you were too.

PS. Tell Carlos he's already baned.....bained.....(I know how to spell it - that's why I'm not accepted in the PW community) from my coil cleaning forum...:p:p:p:p
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LOL LOL LOL ya I and some others arent the best spelers. Thats why my other nick name is Jethro Bodine and I'm movin to Beverly, Hills that is

Tony as for hacks, thats what these BB's are great for PWI, UAMCC, TGS and others to help hacks become professionals or let them realize they might just want to be a worker. UAMCC doesnt and won't exclude, but like here at PWI, we all will try to educate. I was told to go to a BB about 8 years ago, because I was totally lost, not really a hack, but stupid on the proper way to wash ie:hack/lowballer

As for arch enemy, all I ask from anyone is to be open minded and give the whole thing a chance

Ya I was 80% for Obama, now I'm about 60%, the 40% im not for him is really bugging me, I still think he was the best choice. We are living in some screwy times for so many reasons

I wonder if the Romans felt that way
 
Tony Shelton said:
Robert, I hope you are doing much better now after your recent troubles.

I haven't met you and I don't know you very well, but I've heard many good things about you.

With that said, I've tried to soak in every bit of information I could get from your website including all the written material and the Loooooooooong videos....:p.

Your BMP's look good and would be outstanding for our industry if hot water washing was exempted in all situations and all the government red tape - (permits, fees, etc) was removed.

This post of yours is bold and either you are really a good guy who really does care about the average working guy in this industry or you are the best actor in the world. I feel certain you are the former.


Your post reveals what I've been trying to explain for a long time. You are asking us to help keep manufacturers from using their political muscle to the detriment of our industry.

Robert, I know this is just how things happen in the US. But guys just don't seem to understand that the rules we live by are sculpted by manufacturers whose goal is to sell merchandise. Laws, licensing fees, etc. are also written by the wealthiest competitors to their advantage.

The only way to beat this is for contractors to organize and fight against it. We cannot win by "complying", "accepting", "compromising" but just plain fighting tooth and nail against it.

Will the UAMCC do it or will they also be led by the manufacturers who pay a big portion of the bills? Only time will tell. I know they support your BMP's now. Will it last?

Why is there a need for paying fees to the government for the right to work? Can this simply be removed from the nationally promoted BMP's?

Thanks
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bmp's cannot be national
 
I know a couple of the people on the Exec board of CETA, and it could be a long uphill battle for them to develop guidelines that could be in the contractors favor.
 
The UAMCC and PWNA approached CETA on this subject a few months ago through Robert. It was suggested early on that the industry organizations form a task force or coalition to combat excessive BMP's. Having a task force made up of the industry associations would certainly have more teeth when dealing with regional BMP's.

It was and I suspect continues to be a difficult sale to CETA. CETA represents manufacturers and distributors.
 
How's this for a radical idea.

How about spreading the word to the industries that they sell to that we are fighting for the contractor and they (list them) are fighting against us.

Fight them,

Boycott them.

If we lose, find a company that began selling this reclaim equipment BECAUSE it was the law and not in ANTICIPATION of the MFG FORCING it into law.

There's not much more disgusting than a company using the government to wrangle unwilling customers for them It's pathetic and immoral.
 
It would be interesting to see what manufacturers and /or vendors that have the EPA's ear about recovery/reclaim equipment or are advising them without having contractors involved, kind of one-sided if that is/was happening.

I think that if is is/was happening, we should know about it to put it out into the open to talk about it and find out why contractor's input is not important to the manufacturers and vendors that they are selling the equipment to.

That would be an interesting conversation.
 
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