Should pressure washing companies be licensed?

Should pressure washing companies be licensed??

  • Yes

    Votes: 41 73.2%
  • No

    Votes: 15 26.8%

  • Total voters
    56

Henry Bockman

Maryland Pressure Washing
I'd like to get as many people as possible to vote on this...

Think about it for a minute, we work with pretty extreme pressure, temperatures, and some pretty nasty chemicals to do our jobs.

Take into consideration that some deck strippers are rated at 13 on the Ph scale.

Some of the acids we use are rated at 1 or 2 on the Ph scale.


Think about the amount of damage that 4,000 PSI can cause in inexperienced hands to wood, siding and concrete.


Should'nt there be some type of protection for consumers against these extremes?


I honestly believe that pressure washing should have it's own government codes (Cage ect) We have those now!


We should have our own insurance codes. We have those now I heard!


Wouldn't the next logical step to make pressure washing a recognized industry be some type of licensing requirements? This will also help to seperate us from companies that are working for extra cash on weekends, and to help raise the bar and protect consumers.


I vote yes, pressure washing companies should be licensed.
 
It would help get rid of the weekend warriors out there doing $50 house wash, but along with licensing will come a lot of regulations. It could be good or bad. In the long run it probably would be a good thing.
 
I would like to see some sort of licensing/professional requirements... that being said, if it were to ever become reality, I feel that the industry should be consulted in terms of what would work.

There are many individuals and businesses striving to raise the standards of the industry in order to improve conditions for us all - I feel that the bar can only be raised if there are standards that we can be held accountable to.
 
I am on the fence. I see many industries/trades that have Lic, but then I still see them building CVS's, Walmart, Schools and there is 20-100 Illegals working the construction sites. What good is the Lic I wonder, what will it really accomplish

Then on the other hand if it could weed out the hacks even a little I guess it could be a plus. I just dont see any enforcement. The Gov from local to fed has no money, even in good times they still have no $$$, so whats the use. Osha has a 1/4 the enforcement they had in the late 80's & 90's. Biz Lic is just a money maker for state to feds, they arent enforcing anything and really havent to much for years. Then all they do is increase fee's

Without enforcement I feel it will always be a free for all. Dont want to be negative, but thats how I see it.

Come up with a great plan and the $$$ for it and I might support Lic
 
20-100 Illegals working the construction sites. What good is the Lic I wonder, what will it really accomplish

Move to Az & try that, it doesnt work.

Wal-mart has there own security checking my employees now.

In there master service agreement you agree to comply or you are subject to being fired an blackballed.

Try an get on wally vendor list, it not easy to get on an not easy to stay on.

Many on this bbs that I have helped have gone thru the process an some just gave up half way thru.

I dont want to see to much regulation, but some would help.
 
I'm reposting this from the other board.

Henry, why not devote all your advertising budget and your website to educating those poor "consumers" who need protecting?

Consumers are protected when legitimate companies share information with each other, work together and help each other. Car trunk pressure washers don't even have a BUSINESS license now and they don't care. Misdemeanor? So what? What do they care? They eventually have a breakdown and can't afford to fix the equipment and go out of business. It's just like gun laws, make a law against it and the only ones breaking the law are the ones who don't care about the law anyway.

Does this have more to do with drawing a fence around established companies to make it extremely difficult for someone young like DJ with a lot of ambition, but no money to get into the business? I'm not saying that is your motive Henry, I'm just saying that is the first most obvious motive for anyone suggesting licensing.

When it all boils down there are only a couple of reasons to even consider licensing PW companies. Which of these do you agree with?

1) To raise more money through the state the same way licensing does now. That is why licensing fees are considered a TAX.
2) To make it difficult for entry into the business to protect existing interests.

When will we learn?

How many guys who've built up good profitable businesses will be knocked out because of past legal problems? How many good, honest businessmen will be regulated out of business? How much more will we have to pay for supplies when your talk about harsh chemicals results in the interference of the government making them almost impossible to get?

What about freon? Anybody used to be able to buy freon. Some idiot tree hugger with no evidence claimed it harmed the ozone layer. It was almost 20 years before the idiot's claim was proven to be 100% FALSE, but an entire section of government had already been created to deal with a non-existent threat and because of that I can't even juice up my own air conditioner anymore. AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PRICE!!!

You're asking for the wind. If you get it you will reap the whirlwind.

The chemicals you are speaking of can be purchased by anyone. Licensing pressure washers will do nothing but add another tax that you have to pay each year. This is an open end tax that will do nothing but go up.

Any Joe homeowner can buy a 4000 psi pressure washer. How is licensing PW'ers going to protect them? Because if you have to raise your prices to cover legal expenses and training required by licensing more and more of those poor consumers are going to resort to doing it themselves.

What's keeping you from getting a contractors license now and pointing out to your customers how more "legit" you are because you are licensed?

I vote no. This is one industry where some one with a little money, a lot of integrity and a lot of ambition can start with nothing and go a long way.

Is licensing currently in the talks or on the agenda? An official stance on this from the UAMCC would be appreciated.
 
Thats what I am wondering, or by license do you mean something else beside a Business License? Like a required certification like they have in pest control etc?
I think hes talking about something besides a business license. Like a Realtors license, contractors license, etc, etc....
 
I would like to see some sort of licensing/professional requirements... that being said, if it were to ever become reality, I feel that the industry should be consulted in terms of what would work.

There are many individuals and businesses striving to raise the standards of the industry in order to improve conditions for us all - I feel that the bar can only be raised if there are standards that we can be held accountable to.

Steven, you can bet the industry would be consulted. If you consider "the industry" to be the pressure washing company that donates the most to the party in control. Why would anyone in a largely unregulated industry want to open the door for the devil? It's crazy, Why don't we ever learn from the past?
 
Move to Az & try that, it doesnt work.

Wal-mart has there own security checking my employees now.

In there master service agreement you agree to comply or you are subject to being fired an blackballed.

Try an get on wally vendor list, it not easy to get on an not easy to stay on.

Many on this bbs that I have helped have gone thru the process an some just gave up half way thru.

I dont want to see to much regulation, but some would help.

The vendor regulation you are talking about is plenty. Here is who you put your future in the hands of when you invite the goverment into your industry:http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Apr-11-Tue-2006/news/6808903.html

Yeah, we need more regulation from the government.
 
I am on the fence. I see many industries/trades that have Lic, but then I still see them building CVS's, Walmart, Schools and there is 20-100 Illegals working the construction sites. What good is the Lic I wonder, what will it really accomplish

Then on the other hand if it could weed out the hacks even a little I guess it could be a plus. I just dont see any enforcement. The Gov from local to fed has no money, even in good times they still have no $$$, so whats the use. Osha has a 1/4 the enforcement they had in the late 80's & 90's. Biz Lic is just a money maker for state to feds, they arent enforcing anything and really havent to much for years. Then all they do is increase fee's

Without enforcement I feel it will always be a free for all. Dont want to be negative, but thats how I see it.

Come up with a great plan and the $$$ for it and I might support Lic

Wow, Jeff. You almost sounded like a Republican for a minute. I shed a little tear of joy..:eek:
 
California is right on the border with licensing through the Contractor's State Licensing Board. They regulate "Water Blasting" which I believe is like 6,000 p.s.i. or more, and they reguate "Sand Blasting" In California they used to send out enforcement teams. That was before our state went broke, and they would pose as consumers wanting a state license mandated service. Then when the non-licensed contractor would give them a bid, they would then ask for a license card or number. If they did not have one, then they would be arrested. But, there are still un-licensed contractors doing business in California for a greater amount than what they are alloted by the state which is an aggregate price of $500 or less. You can work in California as a non-licensed contractor if the work you are doing does not exceed $500.00. The licensing requirements would probably differ from state to state. But yes, I think that there should be licensing regulations, it just depends on how much each state would want to enforce the regs. There will always be people out there that will do work without a license, which mentioned in numerous other posts will only do harm to the industry. That's my .02
 
LOTS of questions, that's good, let's talk about this.

I'm reposting this from the other board.

Henry, why not devote all your advertising budget and your website to educating those poor "consumers" who need protecting?

Actually, I do quite a bit of that. I also donate services in order to get in front of the media to educate consumers also.

Consumers are protected when legitimate companies share information with each other, work together and help each other.

If you know anything about me at all you would know how many guys I help out to get into business and to help them succeed.

Car trunk pressure washers don't even have a BUSINESS license now and they don't care. Misdemeanor? So what? What do they care? They eventually have a breakdown and can't afford to fix the equipment and go out of business. It's just like gun laws, make a law against it and the only ones breaking the law are the ones who don't care about the law anyway.

In Maryland, some publications won't list your company if your required to have a home improvement license, and don't have one.

Does this have more to do with drawing a fence around established companies to make it extremely difficult for someone young like DJ with a lot of ambition, but no money to get into the business? I'm not saying that is your motive Henry, I'm just saying that is the first most obvious motive for anyone suggesting licensing.

Nope, not my motive at all. (See above) I'm very well established and I don't care who starts a PW company, as long as they play by the same rules as everyone else. Hell, I'll even refer them work! (See my directory at www.pressurewashcompany.com Actually I think licensing would help guys like DJ. He's serious about running a business, I'm willing to bet if it was required in his state he'd get one, not try to duck the rules like so many low ballers do.

When it all boils down there are only a couple of reasons to even consider licensing PW companies. Which of these do you agree with?

1) To raise more money through the state the same way licensing does now. That is why licensing fees are considered a TAX.
2) To make it difficult for entry into the business to protect existing interests.

How about to protect consumers from hacks so that the PW industry is seen in a better light, not as a bunch of beer drinking bozos spraying bleach everywhere?

When will we learn?

How many guys who've built up good profitable businesses will be knocked out because of past legal problems? How many good, honest businessmen will be regulated out of business? How much more will we have to pay for supplies when your talk about harsh chemicals results in the interference of the government making them almost impossible to get?

The chemicals were a reason for licensing, pressure is another reason. Someone needs to protect consumers properties from hacks. The MHIC in my state just makes sure everyone has a license, insurance and bonding. Then if there is a problem they can set up mediation. I send them a check every couple of years for this and I do it gladly. Think about it this way... If you need a home improvement license for pressure washing, there just might be more to it than spraying water and bleach... Right? That sets a standard for home owners, it also allows us to charge a bit more for our "legal" status

What about freon? Anybody used to be able to buy freon. Some idiot tree hugger with no evidence claimed it harmed the ozone layer. It was almost 20 years before the idiot's claim was proven to be 100% FALSE, but an entire section of government had already been created to deal with a non-existent threat and because of that I can't even juice up my own air conditioner anymore. AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PRICE!!!

You're asking for the wind. If you get it you will reap the whirlwind.

The chemicals you are speaking of can be purchased by anyone. Licensing pressure washers will do nothing but add another tax that you have to pay each year. This is an open end tax that will do nothing but go up.

Any Joe homeowner can buy a 4000 psi pressure washer. How is licensing PW'ers going to protect them? Because if you have to raise your prices to cover legal expenses and training required by licensing more and more of those poor consumers are going to resort to doing it themselves.

Don't you have insurance and these other expenses now? All of us have operating expenses, it's part of running a business. If a homeowner rents a power washer and screws up thier own property then they will learn a valuable lesson, they should hire a licensed professional next time! How many poor consumers hire someone to power wash their house or deck? Most do it themself already or hire an unlicensed hack that destroys their property.

What's keeping you from getting a contractors license now and pointing out to your customers how more "legit" you are because you are licensed?

Actually, I do and I land a lot of higher paying jobs because of it. I do the same thing with all the training we've taken too.

I vote no. This is one industry where some one with a little money, a lot of integrity and a lot of ambition can start with nothing and go a long way.

The problem with that statement is there's more to running a legit business than that. What about insurance, experience, knowledge, equipment ect?? When I started up I didn't have a license, but I did have insurance. Then I got a letter from MHIC saying I need a license to repair gutters. Either I had to get one, stop doing repairs or I could be fined 5,000 and spend three years in jail.

Is licensing currently in the talks or on the agenda? An official stance on this from the UAMCC would be appreciated.

This isn't a UAMCC thing but, if your state requires you to have a license, the UAMCC does require you to have one, plus insurance. The PWNA has the same rules. I helped create them for PWNA actually a few years ago.

I think hes talking about something besides a business license. Like a Realtors license, contractors license, etc, etc....

Exactly, in my state it's a Home Improvement License. The exam has nothing to do with pressure washing but you do have to know contracting laws, have insurance and get bonded to have a license. I know a home improvement licenses sounds like overkill but, aren't we improving homes and decks when we clean them?

Any more comments or questions??

By the way, I brought this up because I'm in the process of trying to get the MHIC to consider requiring PW contractors to become licensed to protect consumers. This is something I've been working on for years and I finally got approval to address the commission.
 
I am thinking that the more experienced contractors would be more likely to want people to be licensed.
In Arizona, they really do not have a back ground check for contractors. I do lean towards licensing, because of people I have seen tearing things up. Especially for larger projects. I get tired of having to sell myself over and over again because someone has never done a large project before, and figures that it is just like a bunch of convenience stores in a row.
 
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