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I hope UAMCC puts all you guys out of business with all there underhanded shady deals and all the concrete of the world goes uncleaned and falls apart and sends the world into a terrible downward spiral

Its already happening, thanks for warning us Trey.

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For what it's worth Carlos called me about this last week, and I did not get the impression that he was offering me exclusive rights. The tone was more about what areas could get covered once it got picked up. I don't know what was said to Russ but there was no mention of any exclusive deals in the conversation I had.


Your a Member Matt?
 
I hope UAMCC puts all you guys out of business with all there underhanded shady deals and all the concrete of the world goes uncleaned and falls apart and sends the world into a terrible downward spiral


LOl, I love yah Trey.....National mang companys are great.
 
I have to say as much as many of us like Russ and appreciate the heck out of the many posts he has done over the years in helping so many contractors I am deeply disappointed in how he handled this here. I may be mistaken but I do believe that Russ has some dealings with TWS and he may have received them thru the UAMCC bb. Like I said my facts could be a little off there. Many of us wanted Russ to consider teaching a commercial Flatwork class at the UAMCC Convention in October because of his vast knowledge in this field. Nick the Cleaner could be just as good here in doing this also as are some others. Personally I was against Russ teaching this class if there was another UAMCC member who wanted to teach this class over him. I think I may have had the only opinion about this along these lines but it makes sense to me to give the UAMCC guys first crack on something they want to do because its "There Org" first. Still my decision as many of them tend to be a bit unpopular the majority of us wanted Russ to teach.

So now where here today and Russ is throwing Carlos's honest intentions right under the bus because of Carlos's kindness. Of course It was fair for Carlos to call Russ and say "Hey Pal there's a great chance a guy like you can handle a potential large account if you become a UAMCC member. Every other UAMCC member has this opportunity so Carlos liking Russ figured it was OK to tell him about this potential that all other UAMCC members have. What can I say...Carlos likes Russ like many of us Do. I like Russ and I never met or spoke to the guy.

Russ it looks to me like you just don't buy into an org mentality in the Powerwashing Industry and thats fine but you didn't have to try and embarrass a real Class Guy like Carlos by doing the post that you did here. Its Hurtful, Counter Productive, mean spirited and just well beneath you a man of respect to do this. Unless I am just reading you wrong so many miles away. This is the way I see it on my laptop and hopefully whether you can agree with me or not you can at least respect my honest answer to you with no mean spirited intentions what so ever from me to make a point. We are all trying to make this a better industry and we are not each others enemy's. This Industry should be above that and I say it is.
 
John, you have always seemed like a stand up guy until I read this. To try to twist what Russ did into something wrong, when he was making known something that was wrong, should be beneath you. Re-read you post and see if you don't owe Russ an apology. I am not Russ's friend or even know him, other than posts, but he did nothing wrong here. Be the better man and move on.
 
John, you have always seemed like a stand up guy until I read this. To try to twist what Russ did into something wrong, when he was making known something that was wrong, should be beneath you. Re-read you post and see if you don't owe Russ an apology. I am not Russ's friend or even know him, other than posts, but he did nothing wrong here. Be the better man and move on.

+10 Great post Williiam!

John, re-read your post and apologize to Russ. You can twist it how you want but at least apologize to Russ. Russ does not need anyone to defend him but I feel like I should mention this here.
 
I have to say as much as many of us like Russ and appreciate the heck out of the many posts he has done over the years in helping so many contractors I am deeply disappointed in how he handled this here. I may be mistaken but I do believe that Russ has some dealings with TWS and he may have received them thru the UAMCC bb. Like I said my facts could be a little off there.


Here you are admittingly stating something that may or may not be true so why even mention it unless you have your facts straight first like you say yourself? Unless it is to throw a cloud of darkness over Russ but with a weasel out clause so you don't look bad saying it. Just don't say it unless you have your facts straight like you yourself say.


Many of us wanted Russ to consider teaching a commercial Flatwork class at the UAMCC Convention in October because of his vast knowledge in this field. Nick the Cleaner could be just as good here in doing this also as are some others. Personally I was against Russ teaching this class if there was another UAMCC member who wanted to teach this class over him. I think I may have had the only opinion about this along these lines but it makes sense to me to give the UAMCC guys first crack on something they want to do because its "There Org" first. Still my decision as many of them tend to be a bit unpopular the majority of us wanted Russ to teach.


I don't get this one at all, you would rather have someone with probably a lot less knowledge than someone that does more concrete in a week than most do in a month or more just because they are a uamcc member? Wow! That really does not make sense at all but everyone is entitled to their opinions, no matter if they make sense or not.

Here is probably how that scenario played out:

People: Hey, let's get someone that cleans concrete teach all the others at the meeting about cleaning concrete.

Smart Person: No, let's have Russ teach it, he does a lot more volume than most other contractors out there and really knows what he is doing.

John: No, let's have a uamcc member teach the class, Russ is a great guy but he is not a uamcc member, that is ok, we have other members that can teach the class, it is not important that Russ cleans more concrete in a week than most do in a month or longer, that is not important, It is not important that Russ has many years experience dealing with Residential and Commercial and Military installations, what is important is that a uamcc member teaches the class whether they clean a few sidewalks a week or maybe a shopping center here and there, it has to be a uamcc member teaching the class.

Wow, that sure makes sense. Not!


So now where here today and Russ is throwing Carlos's honest intentions right under the bus because of Carlos's kindness.


Wow, let's twist it around to change the view and opinions.


Of course It was fair for Carlos to call Russ and say "Hey Pal there's a great chance a guy like you can handle a potential large account if you become a UAMCC member. Every other UAMCC member has this opportunity so Carlos liking Russ figured it was OK to tell him about this potential that all other UAMCC members have. What can I say...Carlos likes Russ like many of us Do. I like Russ and I never met or spoke to the guy.

Russ it looks to me like you just don't buy into an org mentality in the Powerwashing Industry and thats fine but you didn't have to try and embarrass a real Class Guy like Carlos by doing the post that you did here.


Wow, more twisting or is it called Spinning now?


Its Hurtful, Counter Productive, mean spirited and just well beneath you a man of respect to do this.


Let's try to make Russ look bad and spin this as good as we can and start the damage control ASAP!!!!
People, Look at me! I need attention! I will take care of Carlos!


Unless I am just reading you wrong so many miles away.


Yes, you are but don't try to spin things into something that is not there and don't try to make Russ out to be the bad guy!


This is the way I see it on my laptop and hopefully whether you can agree with me or not you can at least respect my honest answer to you with no mean spirited intentions what so ever from me to make a point.


Just spinning it into something that it is not and trying to make Russ look bad but some people might not see the spinning for what it really is. My B.S. Detector siren is almost broken from this post, Wow!



We are all trying to make this a better industry and we are not each others enemy's. This Industry should be above that and I say it is.


It will be above that, especially when people stop spinning things into something that it isn't and they stop trying to make people look bad like you are trying to do here with Russ. Russ does not need anyone to defend him. I just feel like stepping in here because it is the right thing to do. You John, a police officer or former should be above this kind of spinning and twisting of the facts but I guess I am wrong, you really disappoint me and let me down with this post. I thought you would be above the things you did here. What a shame!

Don't get me wrong, I have not met Carlos but have talked to him on the phone and think he is a good person, he just messed up and got caught.

We are only human and sometimes make mistakes.

Before everyone jumps on this JitB bandwagon, I would suggest everyone find out all the facts and see what it will do to the market, pricing, existing contractors that might be doing a great job, starting a lowballing trend, etc.... There is a lot more to this than what is told and said.

Ask guys that have existing contracts what it will do to them, will it make them lower their price (getting lowballed so they have to lower their price to keep feeding their families)?

Will they lose the contract alltogether?

Will they be made to pay a monthly fee in order to keep the contracts they had worked a long time to get and end up making less money by having to pay a monthly fee and possibly having to reduce the monthly or quarterly bill because of this nationwide account?

All the facts have not been stated but think about the obvious and use some common sense people.
 
You state the obvious several times............NOBODY KNOWS ALL THE FACTS. And yet many are crapping on Carlos and many are crapping on Russ. Russ and I scheduled a special brainy people meeting late last night in the wee hours of the morning north of ATL (I cant get over how tiny that dude is). We felt it was important for 2 of the most powerful individuals in the PW industry have a face to face. I heard Russes side of the story, Ive yet to hear Carloses, once I hear both Ill weigh the facts as they were presented to me and THEN make my decision on what I believed happened. Maybe everyone else should do the same.
 
You state the obvious several times............NOBODY KNOWS ALL THE FACTS. And yet many are crapping on Carlos and many are crapping on Russ. Russ and I scheduled a special brainy people meeting late last night in the wee hours of the morning north of ATL (I cant get over how tiny that dude is). We felt it was important for 2 of the most powerful individuals in the PW industry have a face to face. I heard Russes side of the story, Ive yet to hear Carloses, once I hear both Ill weigh the facts as they were presented to me and THEN make my decision on what I believed happened. Maybe everyone else should do the same.
hey Roger, I just walked in the door! Holy smokes I am tired!

I did enjoy seeing you on your turf last night/morning, Stay in touch.

Oh just so everyone knows Roger and I really did meet about 2am this morning for about an hour, I had a great time !
 
John, you have always seemed like a stand up guy until I read this. To try to twist what Russ did into something wrong, when he was making known something that was wrong, should be beneath you. Re-read you post and see if you don't owe Russ an apology. I am not Russ's friend or even know him, other than posts, but he did nothing wrong here. Be the better man and move on.


No real iron in this fire, but I do enjoy a good ethical debate.

Being said, here is my determination as to whether or not Russ was right for outing this:

RIGHT: If in the midst of said conversation, if Russ says, "Whoa whoa Carlos...I don't think this is appropriate to offer this. This isn't fair to current members." Sometimes you don't see an ethical dilemma until someone points it out to you. So if Russ pointed this out to Carlos and Carlos PROCEEDED to push info on him, THEN CARLOS WAS WRONG, AND RUSS WAS RIGHT FOR OUTING.

WRONG: If Russ sat there and listened thinking, "WOW. This is some poor leadership....I can't wait to run over and drop this turd on PWI, as it will damage Carlos' reputation, damage UAMCC, and it will offer ammo to Ron, Tony, etc!!" If this is what Russ did, then I'd consider it (at the least) in very poor taste.

To me, this would be no different than a HO thinking that you were going to clean her driveway--even though you didn't think that was part of the job (a simple misunderstanding). Rather than bringing it up to you, the HO tells everyone that you are a cheater and screwed her out of money. I don't think that is the right way to handle that situation.

So two parties (Russ, 'Los) are the only ones that know the intent of what happened.
 
WRONG: If Russ sat there and listened thinking, "WOW. This is some poor leadership....I can't wait to run over and drop this turd on PWI, as it will damage Carlos' reputation, damage UAMCC, and it will offer ammo to Ron, Tony, etc!!" If this is what Russ did, then I'd consider it (at the least) in very poor taste
No one here is looking for personal gain or harm to Carlos

I disagree with how this was handled. Will see what happens to change the way this gos next time.
 
No one here is looking for personal gain or harm to Carlos

I disagree with how this was handled. Will see what happens to change the way this gos next time.

Carlos is just trying to do right by his job to the best of his ability. This isn't about Carlos.

This isn't about a mistake either. Carlos didn't make a mistake, he simply was doing what is deemed acceptable by the org as a whole. The posts bashing Russ are evidence of that.
 
This isn't about a mistake either. Carlos didn't make a mistake, he simply was doing what is deemed acceptable by the org as a whole. The posts bashing Russ are evidence of that.
Well Tony you have to give them a chance for change...Lets see what happens
 
No one here is looking for personal gain or harm to Carlos

I disagree with how this was handled. Will see what happens to change the way this gos next time.
Holy stuff Ron? I called you before I posted this and you said to go ahead.

Oh well, I did what I did and I would do it again, it was donr for the contractors that I fely were done wrong, simple.

Take the info I gave and do with it what you will, nothing shady here but the truth. I have no regrets. I always tell it like it is, like me or not Its not about me.
 
Holy s*** Ron? I called you before I posted this and you said to go ahead.

Oh well, I did what I did and I would do it again, it was donr for the contractors that I fely were done wrong, simple.

Take the info I gave and do with it what you will, nothing shady here but the truth. I have no regrets. I always tell it like it is, like me or not Its not about me.

Russ, Ron was talking about the UAMCC's handling, not yours.
 
Holy s*** Ron? I called you before I posted this and you said to go ahead.

Oh well, I did what I did and I would do it again, it was donr for the contractors that I fely were done wrong, simple.

Take the info I gave and do with it what you will, nothing shady here but the truth. I have no regrets. I always tell it like it is, like me or not Its not about me.


You handled it perfect brother, I was talking about the Uamcc....You should have no regrets. The question still remains should they be involved in contractors business?

Do we need the Uamcc in our business?
 
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