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    BE vs Mosmatic video

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    Nigel

    Good info, thanks for taking the time. I think it's better to just get rid of the gun and run full size hose right to a ball valve, I saw a difference on mine and the gun was rated at 12 gal/min. Can you adjust the tilt of the nozzles? That will sure affect the rpm! The mosmatic did sound a little slow. I don't believe a few degrees of tilt affects the impact significantly.
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    Thanks Tom, the nozzles cannot adjust.
    But mosmatic has a series of bar styles, I think 4 of,......... possibly on of those could.

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    Are they welded? If they're threaded just give em a crank, maybe a little heat for the thread lock.
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    Great video Nigel, Thanks.

    Because of the larger surface cleaner, that spray bar might never reach the rpm's of the smaller surface cleaner because there is more mass to move and with the added water capacity in the tubes, it is even more mass to move (rpm's).

    When comparing a larger surface cleaner to a smaller surface cleaner, the smaller might always spin faster when using the same psi and gpm machine because of the shorter length spray bars, less mass of the bars and less water capacity.

    Maybe the real test is get similar areas of concrete to clean and do one side with the larger surface cleaner and then do the other and time both and see which one gets more area cleaned faster.

    That new Mosmatic surface cleaner sure is nice looking.

    I agree, for that reputation, what you are paying for that surface cleaner, they really should have packed it in that box better and had the seal faces in separate bags in that bag to protect the seal faces.

    Just my opinion.

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    Great Video !!! Good information

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    Good info Nigel. What camera are you using?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Great video Nigel, Thanks.

    Because of the larger surface cleaner, that spray bar might never reach the rpm's of the smaller surface cleaner because there is more mass to move and with the added water capacity in the tubes, it is even more mass to move (rpm's).

    When comparing a larger surface cleaner to a smaller surface cleaner, the smaller might always spin faster when using the same psi and gpm machine because of the shorter length spray bars, less mass of the bars and less water capacity.

    Maybe the real test is get similar areas of concrete to clean and do one side with the larger surface cleaner and then do the other and time both and see which one gets more area cleaned faster.

    That new Mosmatic surface cleaner sure is nice looking.

    I agree, for that reputation, what you are paying for that surface cleaner, they really should have packed it in that box better and had the seal faces in separate bags in that bag to protect the seal faces.

    Just my opinion.
    Good points Chris, but I would think the mass difference is not that great, but I would measure it, I also ran the mosmatic for 20 mins or so, it was even spinning slower right out of the box, I will report on the speed as the hours increase (The grease may not be in its optimal working state) The mosmatic swivel did leak for the first 20 seconds the trigger was pulled but after I released it and pulled the trigger again, it stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim@Garagecleaning View Post
    Great Video !!! Good information
    Thanks Jim, you could say it ..........." I told you so"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Shelton View Post
    Good info Nigel. What camera are you using?
    Thanks Tony, finally I could embed the video, ha, but dont ask me what I did...lol

    The camera is a Nikon S60 (set to 320 resolution)

    http://www.ashtonscoolpix.com/?cid=srch_09yahallclpx

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    nigel great video ...2 questions Ive only used 2 bar before why use a 3 bar
    also how much was the mossmatic ? and why 3 weeks non stocking Item
    Thanks again for videoi
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    I'm going to try the 320 next time on the phone. I usually use 640, but after looking at yours I think 320 is fine for youtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Potter View Post
    nigel great video ...2 questions Ive only used 2 bar before why use a 3 bar
    also how much was the mossmatic ? and why 3 weeks non stocking Item
    Thanks again for videoi
    Thank You David:

    My pump specs are in the vicinity of 8 gallons per min (TSF2021)
    Theoretically I could run a 2 bar on that surface cleaner.

    I would have to use the machines pump output gpm divided by the number of nozzles and the answer is close to the orifice size of the nozzle best suited for two bar operation. (8 / 2 = 4)

    On the other hand if I used a 3 bar, I would apply the same formula (8 / 3 = 2.67) , I would use a 2.5 nozzle

    Theoretically 2 spray bars (not arms) the same diameter and speed (rpm's) , supplied by the same pressure and pump flow, equipped respectively with the same angle nozzle with respective orifices to yield the maximum cleaning units at each nozzle for 2 and 3 arms should have different production rates.

    The 3 arm would have to turn 120 degrees to complete a full circular cleaned path, whereas the 2 arm would have to turn 180 degrees.

    Thats just the basic outlook at a 2 vs 3 arm but there are some other factors to be considered, example (for the same criteria above)

    Lets say I use the orifices recommended above at 15 degrees for the following:

    2 Arm .....4.0 nozzle...... that should equate to 4 gpm each (but does not fully equate to this rational, because the supplied pressure is not 4000psi {TSF2021 rated at 3600 psi max}, see your nozzle chart or calculator, its more in the range 3.70 gpm per nozzle for 3400 psi nozzle pressure [200 psi in pressure losses])

    3 Arm .....2.5 nozzle...... that should equate to 2.5 gpm each (bypassing 0.5gpm to the tank, but does not fully equate to this rational , explained above, its in the range of 2.3 gpm at 3400 psi nozzle pressure)

    However, 4 gpm at the same pressure as 2.5gpm ( through there respective nozzles) has a higher cleaning unit capacity.

    It is the cosmetic cleaning industries experience that the cleaning units from 2.5 nozzles between 3000psi an 3500psi in a surface cleaner is sufficient for most cleaning requirements.(industrial cleaning may require more of both)

    Hence I went with the 3 bar.

    Yes, it was a non stock item, i was disappointed somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Shelton View Post
    I'm going to try the 320 next time on the phone. I usually use 640, but after looking at yours I think 320 is fine for youtube.
    All my videos are close up Tony, so 320 is ok for what i did. I also did 320 on some private longer range videos on youtube and it did not look as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 810f250 View Post
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    Besides the extra weight of the longer bar and water in it as Chris mentioned. I missed this very important point.

    Even if the rpms of both the Whirl-A-Way and the Mosmatic are exactly the same the Mosmatic would sound slower over the storm drain cover, because the additional circumferential distance the Mosmatic nozzle has to travel.

    See the attached figure.

    The arc distance of "a" to "b" is less than "A" to "B"

    Whirl-A-Way 20"
    Mosmatic 30"

    Circumference of a circle = Pie x Diameter

    Whirl-A-Way = 3.14 x 20 = 62.8 inches

    Mosmatic = 3.14 x 30 = 94.2 inches

    Percentage increase {(94.2-62.8) / (62.8)} X 100%= 50% increase (that is huge)

    The additional distance each nozzle has to travel is (94.2 - 62.8)/ 3 = 10.47 inches (divided by 3, because it is a 3 bar) it would take more time even at the same swivel rpm of each.


    I did not mean to mislead anyone with this video.

    I need a non contact strobe light to see the actual RPM differences if there is any. Sorry again
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    Quote Originally Posted by 810f250 View Post

    it would take more time even at the same swivel rpm of each.


    This portion is false (my bad),

    at the same rpm, the arm outer edge speed is greatest the further the distance out from the center,

    the outer edge of the arm on the Mosmatic has the same angle to cover as the outer edge of the Whirl-A-Way but over more circumference in the same time hence a higher arm outer edge tip speed (meters per second) for the same rpm (revolutions per minute).


    Arm outer edge speed varies with distance from center with the same rpms.

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