Carlos & Ron!!! pressure washing UAMCC

Ron Musgraves

Ron Musgraves

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Carlos & Ron!!!
This is not about Carlos or Ron….

I want to say I’m not against the UAMCC members. Half of them are close pressure washing brothers. The other half I don’t know and might even hate me. I hate no one, some people I dislike because they spread lies about me; they say I said things about others I did not say. Weak people believe these untruths about me.

My opinion are my own, not Scott Stones, nor Tony Shelton’s. I never ask nor do I ever ask other to gang up on anyone ever.
Once again my opinions do not represent PWI as a whole. Every member of PWI has their own opinions and also do not represent PWI.


If this org is a contractor org then I ask please give it to the contractors.
There is no reason with a BOD elected and no excuse that it has taken 18 months to achieve this. There is no president, no treasure and no actual accounting of anything with one man running the show.

I got thrown out; I not upset about getting thrown out. I’m upset that this is not being run by contractors like I was told from the get go.
I ask Carlos without excuses about why you can’t put the elected BOD in Place immediately.

If this is truly a contractor for contractor national org it needs to be given to the contractors.
Enough excuses, stop the BS, why is this being run by one man. If you claim it’s a national org non-profit 501-c ? Then run it like one. I don’t want to hear about the TT team acting as BOD, if they are then announcing they are BOD.
This dancing around about the status is silly, if this is going to close out 2009 as a profit corp. and open 2010 as 501c then just tell us that.
Carlos just put the folks elected in control and stay Executive Director, collect your salary and allow the current BOD to determine if you’re doing the job.

If this is a national org it’s past time to start acting like one. Transparency was your motto, communication was what you stressed. Listening to the industry was what you preached.

You take offense to my request, you have your minions come here and address everything but what’s important.
I have only one thing we agree on, it’s bigger than Ron Musgraves or Carlos.

I want the UAMCC to file taxes under 501c status 2009. Why are we waiting for BOD? Why has it taken so long….BOD should have been in place before a national convention in a real org for contractors?


This is a request, I can’t control anyone. Tony, Scott, Russ, Chris, Jeff or anyone else please stay out of this thread.​

If you’re a uamcc member and you agree or disagree please post positive in topic. I don’t want to talk about non criminal activity that’s being spread around the net. I have no felony record. It doesn’t pertain here. My point is we always get off the subject at hand.

Keep this thread focused on the questions above…Not about me being a drug addict of someone else stole my cookies.


www.uamcc.org pressure washing, window cleaning, power sweeping, mobile cleaning, janitorial,

By the way I have directed everyone to Carlos that has called me about convention Sign up. If communication was not so poor I could help the people find the right answers. My IP is blocked for those wondering why i dont just get them. I cannot see the UAMCC.org site. I have not told anyone not to go. Every event has information to help people in business.
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http://www.nationalcleaningexpo.com/uamcc
For the record I have supported many orgs over the past years, this is a track record i'm proud of.​

All UAMCC members are welcome to PWI anytime....most would not even know UAMCC exsited if it were not for PWI.​

I will say this again and again and again, PWI is about finding the best resource for your business needs. if its wood we promote you go to TGS. if its janitorial we promote you go Cleaningtalk. PWI members are from everywhere and always will be. Everyone reads PWI, we welcome all contrators no matter there affiliations.​



 
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This is Why i'm confused, Ken keeps saying he not a BOD. here it clearly says BOD.

Yet in the past we keep hearing that theres is not BOD?

The game playing with the industry stops here.
 
Since I left, no one knows how to change the website. Its Joomla driven. Like I said.. not on the BOD..I' d be pretty stupid to lie with the website up, yes? If Scott S. would have stayed when the new site was designed, he'd probably be still up there too. I don't worry about. I figure they have more important things to do than mess with the website. When the new BOD gets in and is brought up to speed, they'll move to changing that page quickly.

Just a couple of facts. The organization has been open for six months. Its a startup. What DID start 18 months ago was a call for volunteers and assistance. If anyone was truly concerned about an industry org, they had a solid year to do it while in the planning phase. Some stepped up. Others did not.

I'm a great coach on Monday mornings too. This is a startup. Most guys were dropping their pants for a $75 driveway cleaning when they had six months in business. I think I made about $20K my first year with more mistakes and mess ups than anything. Give them a chance. Everybody wants to bash Carlos. See here is the problem. He is not going to just let it fail and no one wants to step up and take a full time job for $15K a year. I'm not gonna do it. Tony? Ron? Anybody? Carlos it is! Most members are very happy with his performance and dedication.
 
pressurepros said:
Since I left, no one knows how to change the website. Its Joomla driven. Like I said.. not on the BOD..I' d be pretty stupid to lie with the website up, yes? If Scott S. would have stayed when the new site was designed, he'd probably be still up there too. I don't worry about. I figure they have more important things to do than mess with the website. When the new BOD gets in and is brought up to speed, they'll move to changing that page quickly.

Just a couple of facts. The organization has been open for six months. Its a startup. What DID start 18 months ago was a call for volunteers and assistance. If anyone was truly concerned about an industry org, they had a solid year to do it while in the planning phase. Some stepped up. Others did not.

I'm a great coach on Monday mornings too. This is a startup. Most guys were dropping their pants for a $75 driveway cleaning when they had six months in business. I think I made about $20K my first year with more mistakes and mess ups than anything. Give them a chance. Everybody wants to bash Carlos. See here is the problem. He is not going to just let it fail and no one wants to step up and take a full time job for $15K a year. I'm not gonna do it. Tony? Ron? Anybody? Carlos it is! Most members are very happy with his performance and dedication.
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Scotts & Robs got changed after you resigned
 
Its been in the works since late 2007, the uamcc has been around for years.

i'm wondering if we have actually made the full transistion since we keep using the TT team.

How will the national org file taxes, will they fall under the profit corp they have always run under?

No one really knows except Carlos? TT members dont even undertsand there ramifications. Ken I feel your playing both sides of the fence. You stay out formally because you understand the possible problems that could arise.


Not Attacking Carlos, just asking questions that should be answered. If this is a private corp i have no business asking these questions. If they are a pressure washing contractor org i have every right.
 
pressurepros said:
Since I left, no one knows how to change the website. Its Joomla driven. Like I said.. not on the BOD..I' d be pretty stupid to lie with the website up, yes? If Scott S. would have stayed when the new site was designed, he'd probably be still up there too. I don't worry about. I figure they have more important things to do than mess with the website. When the new BOD gets in and is brought up to speed, they'll move to changing that page quickly.

Just a couple of facts. The organization has been open for six months. Its a startup. What DID start 18 months ago was a call for volunteers and assistance. If anyone was truly concerned about an industry org, they had a solid year to do it while in the planning phase. Some stepped up. Others did not.

I'm a great coach on Monday mornings too. This is a startup. Most guys were dropping their pants for a $75 driveway cleaning when they had six months in business. I think I made about $20K my first year with more mistakes and mess ups than anything. Give them a chance. Everybody wants to bash Carlos. See here is the problem. He is not going to just let it fail and no one wants to step up and take a full time job for $15K a year. I'm not gonna do it. Tony? Ron? Anybody? Carlos it is! Most members are very happy with his performance and dedication.
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Is that an exact figure? Inquiring Minds want to know.
 
Just a couple of facts. The organization has been open for six months. Its a startup. What DID start 18 months ago was a call for volunteers and assistance. If anyone was truly concerned about an industry org, they had a solid year to do it while in the planning phase. Some stepped up. Others did not.
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Dist and others will confirm that the org is not being sold that way?

So your saying we are not even and org as of yet. The status started with a declaration or reins from Robert hindiliter feb 2008....That was incorporation somewhere, only Carlos would know. This is fact the papers are posted....somewhere????
 
Ron, I know your mind moves from idea to idea. I have the same issue. You do have to slow down for a few minutes every day and read something if it pertains to you.. you'll probably retain it better.

At least five times on the UAMCC forum, while you were a member, there were updates on the 501 C-6 non profit business league status. This was one of the first things that was talked about publicly. The status was accepted by the government, articles of incorporation were filed and a CPA handles the accounting.

Here is the public forum on the play-by-play updates of the UAMCC. Those that have not followed or have come lately will see exactly how this thing progressed and how the UAMCC is generally following its business plan.
http://www.uamcc.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=20

You do not have to be logged in to view those updates, Ron, you will see that the 501c-6 status applications began a year ago.

Web Page for directors:

The directors page is EXACTLY how I WROTE IT over a year ago. I'm the original web designer and SEO person, Ron. If you have a snapshot of a different page, I'd like to see it. It doesn't exist. No changes were made. I cut and pasted the original page's info right into the new design for WebFirst. I'm not trying to make you look foolish. You are mistaken.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
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This is Why i'm confused, Ken keeps saying he not a BOD. here it clearly says BOD.

Yet in the past we keep hearing that theres is not BOD?

The game playing with the industry stops here.
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another vast conspicy by the UAMCC, a picture and bio of Ken on our website. Hell it only took PWI a couple years to put contractor banners up . NCE site says NCE magazine coming in Feb or March of 2009. We have a web phase 2 coming up and will start being worked on,

Game playing stops here

Ron tell the truth, why do you , dislike, hate, pick on, attack, call names start crap when it comes to the UAMCC. I'm really interested what you think is so horrible about the UAMCC, what has Carlos, the Transition Team and its members done to warrant your constant back and forth crap

Game playing stops here, what the heck does that really mean

Just last week you were saying to me on the phone, the UAMCC should stop giving out RFPs' why should they stop this service? Why? now you are giving RFP's I told you go ahead give them, if it helps contractors. Why just last week it was wrong you say to give RFP's but now its alright. I just don't understand your logic

Name a few things that are so horrible. We have accountants, lawyers and such making sure its on the up and up, what are we doing wrong, why the constant attacks and BS. Is it because you cant have some control over it, what? what is it?

have a nice day
 
Colorado ProWash said:
Is that an exact figure? Inquiring Minds want to know.
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Hello Matthew,

It is not a salaried position. The ED will get a cut of memberships. That's how he/she is paid. We discussed that to accomplish two things:

1) To make sure the person has motivation to grow membership.
2) To not have someone with credentials but no drive for success from taking the reigns.

William page has a copy of a P&L. I haven't looked at it, but I'm fairly sure Carlos did not even take his salary. He may have since then and is entitled to it. Carlos has put his entire life on hold to run this organization because he is a stand up guy that sees things through. I think he is crazy but I respect the hell out of him because it is truly thankless being at the top.

Where did I get $15K? Lets say 140 members at $425 dollars (averaging in distributors who pay more than contractors) = $59,500. I am unsure of the exact percentage as it was decided after I left but I think it is 25% of every membership. That would be $14,875. Even if I am offbase and it is 35%, that is a salary of $20,825. The 2009 federal poverty guidelines for a family of three is $18,310. In Ca, where Carlos lives, its way below poverty. Keep in mind Matthew, this is full time.

Ron and I were talking one day and when I suggested he run for E.D (as a joke) he nearly laughed me off the phone. I don't blame him.
 
I can say from a members standpoint, the election has taken place and there is a run-off as well for the 9th BOD. That ballot is due/postmarked by October 8th and the results should be finalized within 2 weeks, October 22nd, but thats convention time and maybe announced there if I were a betting man. As for when the new BOD takes their places I have no clue. I am not up to snuff on the status of everything as it doesn't make my accounts larger so its futher down on my list of concerns.


Myself, and I have told others this. I already paid the money, its not alot of money either for a membership. I will wait out my membership and see if I like the direction the ORG is headed next year when I am up for renewal.

I have seen a good change in the fact that the Service Companies like TWS are not being accepted but also feel TWS should be removed from the membership as well. This is not a personal thing with TWS however they can find qualified contractors elsewhere as far as I am concerned. When the membership list is posted up on the site then they can visit that list and pull from it. The members and current leadership that have given their time before and currently should be thanked for the time they have put in.

Thank You

Now with that being said, whats the end result with TWS and the JITB contract. How did it turn out. I have asked the question on the UAMCC board and no one wants to talk about it. I have never herd the true figures (which is all that matters) and even if the other 2100 stores will be washed. Whats the percentage of UAMCC members compared to the non UAMCC members that did the initial roll-out of cleanings? I had a conversation with Carlos about this and it has been made clear that things did not go as agreed with TWS, current leadership was not happy with the way things were being handled by TWS.

Now being a member I ask this because it will have a good part in my decision for renewal next year. I will be attending the convention this month. I will remain proactive in asking questions that are my own questions (not something someone slips into my ear) and just ask for honest answers. As a whole the whole BBS world does not represent the industry at all and we all know that. Its like the old saying, you may think your bad but there is always someone else that will whip your a$$ no matter how big you are. So with that being said how is the new leadership going to reach out to larger contractors such as NelBud and Facilitec (came to mind because they were both at MB and it was a great opportunity to add them on) as well as others that are not so large an not a part of the BBS drama show. To both of those the 393 is like a drop into a wishing well and if they have not joined there may be a reason as they may see somethings they are not in agreeance with.
 
jlpressure said:
another vast conspicy by the UAMCC, a picture and bio of Ken on our website. Hell it only took PWI a couple years to put contractor banners up . NCE site says NCE magazine coming in Feb or March of 2009. We have a web phase 2 coming up and will start being worked on,

Game playing stops here

Ron tell the truth, why do you , dislike, hate, pick on, attack, call names start crap when it comes to the UAMCC. I'm really interested what you think is so horrible about the UAMCC, what has Carlos, the Transition Team and its members done to warrant your constant back and forth crap

Game playing stops here, what the heck does that really mean

Just last week you were saying to me on the phone, the UAMCC should stop giving out RFPs' why should they stop this service? Why? now you are giving RFP's I told you go ahead give them, if it helps contractors. Why just last week it was wrong you say to give RFP's but now its alright. I just don't understand your logic

Name a few things that are so horrible. We have accountants, lawyers and such making sure its on the up and up, what are we doing wrong, why the constant attacks and BS. Is it because you cant have some control over it, what? what is it?

have a nice day
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Your off Topic Jeff, I love my industry and my orgs. I have truly supported them since exsistance. I could ask why have you never supported any orgs. But thats not the topic..

So please stop the lies about my hate...I disagree...
 
pressurepros said:
Hello Matthew,

It is not a salaried position. The ED will get a cut of memberships. That's how he/she is paid. We discussed that to accomplish two things:

1) To make sure the person has motivation to grow membership.
2) To not have someone with credentials but no drive for success from taking the reigns.

William page has a copy of a P&L. I haven't looked at it, but I'm fairly sure Carlos did not even take his salary. He may have since then and is entitled to it. Carlos has put his entire life on hold to run this organization because he is a stand up guy that sees things through. I think he is crazy but I respect the hell out of him because it is truly thankless being at the top.

Where did I get $15K? Lets say 140 members at $425 dollars (averaging in distributors who pay more than contractors) = $59,500. I am unsure of the exact percentage as it was decided after I left but I think it is 25% of every membership. That would be $14,875. Even if I am offbase and it is 35%, that is a salary of $20,825. The 2009 federal poverty guidelines for a family of three is $18,310. In Ca, where Carlos lives, its way below poverty. Keep in mind Matthew, this is full time.

Ron and I were talking one day and when I suggested he run for E.D (as a joke) he nearly laughed me off the phone. I don't blame him.
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I dont care about any of that...
 
Myself, and I have told others this. I already paid the money, its not alot of money either for a membership. I will wait out my membership and see if I like the direction the ORG is headed next year when I am up for renewal.
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Off Topic: this is silly, do you pay a meal and they say I wait till next year?

Demand service NOW!!!!!
 
Chris Tharpe said:
I can say from a members standpoint, the election has taken place and there is a run-off as well for the 9th BOD. That ballot is due/postmarked by October 8th and the results should be finalized within 2 weeks, October 22nd, but thats convention time and maybe announced there if I were a betting man. As for when the new BOD takes their places I have no clue. I am not up to snuff on the status of everything as it doesn't make my accounts larger so its futher down on my list of concerns.


Myself, and I have told others this. I already paid the money, its not alot of money either for a membership. I will wait out my membership and see if I like the direction the ORG is headed next year when I am up for renewal.

I have seen a good change in the fact that the Service Companies like TWS are not being accepted but also feel TWS should be removed from the membership as well. This is not a personal thing with TWS however they can find qualified contractors elsewhere as far as I am concerned. When the membership list is posted up on the site then they can visit that list and pull from it. The members and current leadership that have given their time before and currently should be thanked for the time they have put in.

Thank You

Now with that being said, whats the end result with TWS and the JITB contract. How did it turn out. I have asked the question on the UAMCC board and no one wants to talk about it. I have never herd the true figures (which is all that matters) and even if the other 2100 stores will be washed. Whats the percentage of UAMCC members compared to the non UAMCC members that did the initial roll-out of cleanings? I had a conversation with Carlos about this and it has been made clear that things did not go as agreed with TWS, current leadership was not happy with the way things were being handled by TWS.

Now being a member I ask this because it will have a good part in my decision for renewal next year. I will be attending the convention this month. I will remain proactive in asking questions that are my own questions (not something someone slips into my ear) and just ask for honest answers. As a whole the whole BBS world does not represent the industry at all and we all know that. Its like the old saying, you may think your bad but there is always someone else that will whip your a$$ no matter how big you are. So with that being said how is the new leadership going to reach out to larger contractors such as NelBud and Facilitec (came to mind because they were both at MB and it was a great opportunity to add them on) as well as others that are not so large an not a part of the BBS drama show. To both of those the 393 is like a drop into a wishing well and if they have not joined there may be a reason as they may see somethings they are not in agreeance with.
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Chris I respect your concerns, start you own thread. This is just more crap to sidetrack the real questions I'm asking.

Thanks for asking, maybe they will realize I have more people calling me about signing up for there event and asking me stupid questions I as even a past member could not answer.

I feel stupid for even giving my money to an org thats not actually have its governing in place. LIMBO

I feel like a rookie , I fell for the warm fuzzy feeling.
 
I'm really interested what you think is so horrible about the UAMCC, what has Carlos, the Transition Team and its members done to warrant your constant back and forth crap
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I want the org turned over to the elected BOD now. Thats whats right!!!!!!!!

Thats whats wrong, this should have happened months ago, not in jan 2010
 
With all due respect to each and every BOD member on the ballot and those that will hold the seats. I, as a UAMCC contractor member, do not want a bunch of guys that have no idea what they are doing to just take over the org. That would be like me showing up at ProPower Wash tomorrow and taking over your company. In three months I'd be lucky to have any accounts or employees left. there has to be a transition period.

There is a timeline that was posted on the UAMCC (again.. everything has been, and is, transparent) five or six months ago that outlines exactly as things will transpire. Ballots --> counts by a third part CPA firm --> announcements of seats at the Convention --> a transition time where new BOD members will work with the transition team to bring everything up to speed --> goal setting --> bigger stronger org with new management for 2010. That is a business plan.

As it has been discussed on the UAMCC forum, 2010 will see establishment of regions, the Wash With Us charity program which will get the org and its members public recognition, more RFP procurement, more involvement with setting contractor friendly BMP's, stronger networking, more phases of website and SEO development with contractor listings, and furthered marketing to homeowners, businesses and HOA's. In addition the Oversight Committee will be put into place. That will be the tying thread to keep everyone honest.

I feel like a broken record. This organization is solid in its foundation. If future leadership holds to its core principals of openness and integrity, it will be around for a long time helping contractors of all size grow their business.
 
pressurepros said:
With all due respect to each and every BOD member on the ballot and those that will hold the seats. I, as a UAMCC contractor member, do not want a bunch of guys that have no idea what they are doing to just take over the org. That would be like me showing up at ProPower Wash tomorrow and taking over your company. In three months I'd be lucky to have any accounts or employees left. there has to be a transition period.

There is a timeline that was posted on the UAMCC (again.. everything has been, and is, transparent) five or six months ago that outlines exactly as things will transpire. Ballots --> counts by a third part CPA firm --> announcements of seats at the Convention --> a transition time where new BOD members will work with the transition team to bring everything up to speed --> goal setting --> bigger stronger org with new management for 2010. That is a business plan.

As it has been discussed on the UAMCC forum, 2010 will see establishment of regions, the Wash With Us charity program which will get the org and its members public recognition, more RFP procurement, more involvement with setting contractor friendly BMP's, stronger networking, more phases of website and SEO development with contractor listings, and furthered marketing to homeowners, businesses and HOA's. In addition the Oversight Committee will be put into place. That will be the tying thread to keep everyone honest.

I feel like a broken record. This organization is solid in its foundation. If future leadership holds to its core principals of openness and integrity, it will be around for a long time helping contractors of all size grow their business.
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So in reality we will not be a ligit org until 2010.

Thank Ken
 
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