UAMCC will they answer the Questions??

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Ron, the UAMCC was not a business (CA corporation) until 2009. Everyone that donated money knew exactly what they were doing. Money was given to Carlos personally, in good faith, to be used towards the development of the organization. There is no tax premise there. One could ask Carlos for pre-corporate formation of bank statements but he would not be under any obligation to make them public. Many people gave cash. No one was looking for a tax break. It was a bunch of contractors coming together to better the industry. Like many transactions of the days before lawsuits and legal-eze, things were done with good faith. The good faith was well placed or those same people that donated would not have joined the organization when it formally started taking memberships.

I believe the UAMCC has always been a corp since 2006.

Your correct if corp taxes filed in 2009 are private profit corp then Carlos has no Obligation.

If you remember the UAMCC was a for profit Corp. I was a member since the start. Robert Signed the papers over to Carlos Direct, Carlos then Asked if we should start a for Profit or Non.

Why are you answering these questions? Why cant Carlos answer them for all members involved? ( including myself)

I still represent a share of the UAMCC non profit Corp. There was no BOD so I could not be thrown out. I am kept from benifits I paid for, banner & many other discounts.

I want to know who will reinburse me for 17,000 dollars work of mailers and stationery I cannot use since I'm no longer a member aledged.
 
Ron, you bring up a good point. You will have to audit Delco for their tax records of 2008 as you have brought them into this equation. I am unsure if UAMCC was a separate corporation owned by Robert that was formally dissolved. I have never seen a bill of sale or any agreements as that was a private transaction. I assume the government would not have allowed the UAMCC to incorporate if there was question of it being owned by individuals in a different state. But who knows?

So here is your call to the table. If 2008 is an issue for you, and you truly want to get to the bottom of things, have your lawyers that are investigating things also investigate Mr Hinderliter's business doing. I'm gonna take a guess and assume you will not be willing to go down that road. If you are, more power to ya.

This is seriously a good question, Ron. I hope you pursue it.
 
Yes any member can Talk about the Uamcc John, But as a Rep. for the Org. at an RT you would want somebody that's done this quite a few more times and knows a little more about the Org. than you do. I want a starter not a backup.

Sounds like you jumped the gun, don't you think if Carlos would have wanted you there he would have asked you?

I don't understand the embarrassed part, only you, your wife and Carlos knew about this (Until Now) Why would she be embarrassed at the convention????? Why is this being brought out now, I don't remember you posting anything about being embarressed after the convention. Sounds like you should of taken up for your Wife right then and there, I Know I Would Have If She Was Mine.
Hey Guy you get ya I would have said something right there to avoid the embarassment and there would have been none of Carlos would have once again told the truth. Instead I get to read about it on the boards. So there is you answer.
 
I thought the UAMCC was originally a Texas corporation set up by Robert, and sold to Carlos for a $1. He can't walk away from that corporation for a time then reset up as a corporation, private, or as a charity. So says my accountant and my friend who is an attorney for the IRS (I think he is qualified. He is over the prosecution of tax fraud cases for the southwest, including California). The IRS takes a dim view of that, because it looks like they are avoiding taxes.
 
Maybe Carlos was concerned that you were a loose cannon? The way that you have represented yourself recently does not bode well to how you would have represented the UAMCC. I'm sure that you are a very upstanding individual with strong morals and integrity. However I am not convinced that if faced with adversity, you would react in a professional manner. You seem to be a bit of a hothead...No offense intended, if you recall the PM's that we shared, this is much the same as I tried to get you to realize then. Your approach needs some refining in order to be taken more seriously.
Where you have said that you will speak your mind, many others try the subtle approach.

Perhaps what you perceive as Carlos trying to embarass you was actually him trying to spare your feelings. It appears that for whatever reason he did not feel that you were ready for this, and did not want to come right out and say that. I know that I would try a more subtle approach to this myself with an eager employee or even my children. Who wants to say to someone that they are not ready, that could damage your self esteem or dampen your enthusiasm.

I hate to think that your wife was embarassed, that is very unfortunate. I wonder though, is she not a thousand times more embarassed now?

As to Carlos letting it out on the net that he picks who goes, I remember this thread, it seemed to me that he had stepped in to diffuse your attack on Jeff and as a good leader take on the responsibility of it.

If there is wrong doing, I'm sure we would all like to know about it, but settle down and give the guy a chance to respond. Goodness knows that if I were him I would read my responses over about a thousand times before releasing anything to a crowd that is so obviously out for my blood!

And when I say wrong doing, I certainly am not meaning some system wasn't always exactly followed to the letter. These gentleman have had a huge amount of work to do, with not many hands to do it with. I certainly hope we wouldn't fault them for a couple of small slip ups. I wonder if as a police officer you ever fall behind on doing up your reports? I have a friend who works so much OT that he is always behind on the paperwork. I ask this only to try and help you see the similarity of a busy persons schedule.

Good luck to you John, I hope that you come out of this with what you need to make you a happier person on the inside.
I sadly do not think that it will though, the only thing that will mend hurt feelings (which I really think is the root of all this) is time and perhaps mending fences, not ripping them down.
Thanks Soliel,
Your making Carlos the good guy here all accross the board and thats OK your a UAMCC member and thats what a good member does just don't be blinded by him. He controls the bank and he is running the org which any one of us know in a "Not for Profit" that my friend makes it a direct conflict of interest.

Carlos lied to me about the Texas RT right in front of my wife. So call it what you want. Call me inexperience or whatever but I have alot more experience then he does with this stuff and for one thing I would not do that to him and lie to his face with his Wife Bettye standing right there if the rolls were reversed.

You can lable me a loose cannon but everyone knows that I've been in the powerwashing business for 15 years and I helped many as they helped me. I do not have a misterious background who just came out of nowhere to take advantage of us the "Powerwashers". So you may want to re-think where you alliance is going to. This is supposed to be a "Not for Profit" org and Carlos runs the whole thing with two title...As Chairman and ED. Sorry that doesn't work in my book.

OF a matter of fact either he starts answering my questions or I may look into him deeper to see where my initial donations such as the one I did for RFW(another of Carlos's org's) really went to.

My Conscious is clear and like I said ,...I smell a RAT!!
 
I thought the UAMCC was originally a Texas corporation set up by Robert, and sold to Carlos for a $1. He can't walk away from that corporation for a time then reset up as a corporation, private, or as a charity. So says my accountant and my friend who is an attorney for the IRS (I think he is qualified. He is over the prosecution of tax fraud cases for the southwest, including California). The IRS takes a dim view of that, because it looks like they are avoiding taxes.

That makes sense.

I'm curious as to how CA incorporated the UAMCC. I believe at corporation level, name search is done nationally. If it existed in Texas, I would guess a red flag would have been raised. If it was transferred for $1, then that paperwork would have to have been filed in CA prior to Carlos sending in the articles for the "new" corp. Does that make sense?
 
Ron, the UAMCC was not a business (CA corporation) until 2009. Everyone that donated money knew exactly what they were doing. Money was given to Carlos personally, in good faith, to be used towards the development of the organization. There is no tax premise there. One could ask Carlos for pre-corporate formation of bank statements but he would not be under any obligation to make them public. Many people gave cash. No one was looking for a tax break. It was a bunch of contractors coming together to better the industry. Like many transactions of the days before lawsuits and legal-eze, things were done with good faith. The good faith was well placed or those same people that donated would not have joined the organization when it formally started taking memberships.

Ken as always thanks for giving us the answers that Carlos refuses to give. You have been a positive light all thru this where the ED has been a total disaster who is praying that this all goes away by hiding.

To answer you, we and I mean everyone was was told that the UAMCC was going to be a not for profit org and also ran like one. So here are some more facts.

Carlos told us that only he will be picking out who gets awards and non of us are to get involved in that. Carlos also told us that PWI will not get an award before we took a vote on it So I ask Ken don't you and all the members see whats going on here??

Its OK that the Soliel's and some other think I'm the bad buy or "loose Cannon" as they put it but this is not what me and about a 100 others signed up for. We did not donate our money and also become members so we can be dictated to. That is not going to happen so untill Carlos gets bounced or the UAMCC starts doing things the right way like a "Not for Profit' Should I will chase Carlos relentlessly because apparently there's a possibility that I donated money right to his pocket and yes I've been ripped off in the past but If I find out it has happened again I will look to pursue this all the way thru.

Maybe Matt Johnson was right to ask for his money back when he first became a member.........
 
That makes sense.

I'm curious as to how CA incorporated the UAMCC. I believe at corporation level, name search is done nationally. If it existed in Texas, I would guess a red flag would have been raised. If it was transferred for $1, then that paperwork would have to have been filed in CA prior to Carlos sending in the articles for the "new" corp. Does that make sense?


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Its was actually pretty smart or Mr Hinderliter to transfer it with a 1000.00 donation.....LOL making a legal sum that would have to be recorded.
Any single sum over 850.00 dollars and combined over 1100.00

When Gene publically donated the 100.00 it made the private corp or 501c6 a legit business in the state at which the agent resides.

Check!!!!
 
Maybe Matt Johnson was right to ask for his money back when he first became a member

Good Ole Matt as Asking for his money back!!! lol laughable

Matt Johnson certainly winds up in the middle of the stink everytime you turn around.
 
Ken,
Are you serious? You are saying that I knew I was writing a check to Carlos for $**** back in January? I wrote that check for the Org and TO THE UAMCC not Carlos (and under the pretenses that this was a non-profit recognized org).
I will smack myself for being stupid enough to not check things out first but I do believe I was told before that time and can go back as far as MB 2008 that this Org was a 501c6 non profit.
Do you think its fair for members to know that they CANNOT write off their membership dues to this org (if the UAMCC is not a non-profit) as a tax write off? (this is according to my accountant-check with yours) I would think alot of members would have waited until the non-profit status took effect rather than hand any one person money to do what they wish...Just my opinion though.
 
Ken,
Are you serious? You are saying that I knew I was writing a check to Carlos for $**** back in January? I wrote that check for the Org and TO THE UAMCC not Carlos (and under the pretenses that this was a non-profit recognized org).
I will smack myself for being stupid enough to not check things out first but I do believe I was told before that time and can go back as far as MB 2008 that this Org was a 501c6 non profit.
Do you think its fair for members to know that they CANNOT write off their membership dues to this org (if the UAMCC is not a non-profit) as a tax write off? (this is according to my accountant-check with yours) I would think alot of members would have waited until the non-profit status took effect rather than hand any one person money to do what they wish...Just my opinion though.

Rob, this is the way I understand it.

1. The UAMCC has the non profit paperwork to ease everyone's mind. All memberships will be a valid business expense. No one joined the org for a tax writeoff but it can be expensed one way or the other.
2. Donations made to a 501 c-6 are not tax deductible. I believe the UAMCC was already a formal CA corporation in January of 2009. What I was talking about above were donations made solely on good faith in 2008. (ie someone handing over a hundred dollar bill)

Many are forgetting that $10,000+ of Carlos personal money funded the organization. Without that, the org would never have gotten off the ground. If he was some type of con artist that doesn't make much sense. If he were looking to rip people off he would have thrown the convention at a Motel 6. The talk about misdoing on the money side is straight up laughable. That's a desperate attempt for people to "win" at any cost.

Rob, you know much of the inside information. You know that Carlos took a huge hit on his business to run this thing for what equates to $6/hr. I saw his financials from years past grossing seven figures. So we are expected to believe that this guy tanks his business and sticks in $10K+ of his own money to fleece a few grand from contractors 18 months later? Where in this world does that make any sense, Rob?
 
Rob, this is the way I understand it.

1. The UAMCC has the non profit paperwork to ease everyone's mind. All memberships will be a valid business expense. No one joined the org for a tax writeoff but it can be expensed one way or the other.
2. Donations made to a 501 c-6 are not tax deductible. I believe the UAMCC was already a formal CA corporation in January of 2009. It was not done till mid March so it would not cover 08What I was talking about above were donations made solely on good faith in 2008. (ie someone handing over a hundred dollar bill)

Many are forgetting that $10,000+ of Carlos personal money funded the organization. Without that, the org would never have gotten off the ground. If he was some type of con artist that doesn't make much sense. If he were looking to rip people off he would have thrown the convention at a Motel 6. The talk about misdoing on the money side is straight up laughable. That's a desperate attempt for people to "win" at any cost. Seriously, ken I thought you where smarter than that! How about this Ken, you give me 60k and I will put in 10k into a new BUSINESS and let me make all the decisions! Oh by the way you can never get your investment back.

Rob, you know much of the inside information. You know that Carlos took a huge hit on his business to run this thing for what equates to $6/hr. I saw his financials from years past grossing seven figures. So we are expected to believe that this guy tanks his business and sticks in $10K+ of his own money to fleece a few grand from contractors 18 months later? Where in this world does that make any sense, Rob?

It makes sense if the Uamcc continues to 1000+ memebers in 5 years and re-news 1000+ memberships a year. He is just looking into the future. Do The Math 1000 x 390 = 390,000 Lets say it gets to 2500 members thats 975k almost 7 figures not to mention membership fees are sure to go up!
 
It makes sense if the Uamcc continues to 1000+ memebers in 5 years and re-news 1000+ memberships a year. He is just looking into the future. Do The Math 1000 x 390 = 390,000 Lets say it gets to 2500 members thats 975k almost 7 figures not to mention membership fees are sure to go up!

Kory, business budgets are based upon percentage. The regions automatically get 20%. Advertising might get another 15% and so on. The more money that comes in, the more contractor members benefit. Let's say you didn't have the budget for a good commercial but you knew one would do well in your area. If your region voted on it, the org could pay for a TV commercial that you could all share. If the org had 2500 members it could negotiate with Comcast for bulk rates as a member benefit. The ED I believe is also paid as a percentage. So from a motivation standpoint, the more good he/she does for the org and the more members brought in, the salary is compensatory.

Don't quote me on the ED pay. We were discussing it just before I left and I am unsure how that turned out. It should and will be a matter of public record soon.

When you are factoring numbers also remember that the org accepts monthly payments so that somebody that joined in October may only have paid the $40 or whatever it is.

I would put half a million into your business if you had a good business idea with a solid plan. For that money I would want a return. I would not want to be a working partner nor have a say in how operations are run. That's a different scenario. There are guys utilizing the Paychex discount and are saving more than their entire membership fee. One of the things the org has to do is make the benefits clearer and easier to use.

We all pay money to lawyers and accountants to protect our interests. We all pay insurance premiums and never see a return until we need it. Wearing logo shirts doesn't mean we get jobs but there is a hope that it helps to promote our professionalism. The UAMCC or any association is similar to all the above. If a person expects to send a check and have money rolling in, they will be disappointed.

When the corporation was formed, in terms of donations is not relevant. Donations to a 501c6 are never tax deductible. You will be able to expense your UAMCC membership in 2009 (even if it was a non profit) You would 1099 the UAMCC corporation.
 
Its OK that the Soliel's and some other think I'm the bad buy or "loose Cannon" as they put it but this is not what me and about a 100 others signed up for.


John, I do NOT think that you are a bad guy, all I think is that you might possibly want to take a look at the way in which you deliver your messages. That's all. You are passionate, that's a great thing to be, I could only imagine how I would've felt in your situation.

In regards to Carlos and what's going on, I'm not saying who is right or wrong, I don't have the hard proof either way. I do know that there are often many sides to a story, I also know that sometimes people perceive things in different ways. What I was trying to do was suggest that perhaps there was another less sinister reason for your "embarassment" that you could consider.

I recall our PM's before you went public when you implored me to contact Carlos and have him do what you were asking before you were forced to take this all public. As for the rest, I think that you should treat us as adults, tell us what you have and allow us to make up our own minds as to what we feel is the severity of the situation.

If you did write your letter, I would love it if you would e-mail it to me. admin@spraywave.com

Take care, have a wonderful night, and be patient... good things come to those who wait.
 
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Its was actually pretty smart or Mr Hinderliter to transfer it with a 1000.00 donation.....LOL making a legal sum that would have to be recorded.
Any single sum over 850.00 dollars and combined over 1100.00

When Gene publically donated the 100.00 it made the private corp or 501c6 a legit business in the state at which the agent resides.

Check!!!!

Ron,
Being from Canada I've never seen that before. Could you break it down for me like I'm a 10 year old? Up here our articles of incorporation list the shareholder, directors etc. As well as state directly whether it is a pirvate, public or not for profit org. What does that piece of paper mean exactly?
 
That is just a corporate business listing. It will not have the articles of incorporation. All that it shows is that the UAMCC is incorporated, but does not show whether or not it is a non profit.
 
For what it is worth, I am not certain that Carlos' took a hit on his business that would not have happened with the current economic environment. Since a large part of his business had nothing to do with pressure washing, and was more closely associated with the construction industry, I am pretty certain that had more to do with any financial hardship than the UAMCC did.
On a different note, Carlos' may have showed you paperwork stating a million dollar business, but he told me that his business only did $250k. That right there should raise red flags.
 
Why would someone take a financial cut to run a organization ?

for the power it has.....just look at some congressman and senators
mayors and govenors a few do it for the kick backs and deal making that goes on...


And sometimes its just Plain ego.


Edit: I would also like to say they do it because they want to make a difference and fix a problem..,
Or their peers ask or beg them to run
 
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