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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Millette View Post
    Is this ever gonna end? Some of these posts have already been picked up by the search engines and now its even starting to spill over and pollute the Face Book water ways. I think we need to hook up a reclaim unit on all this. Does anyone else agree or is it just me?
    Oh no! Not facebook!! Now that it's picked up by facebook that changes everything!!!! Just kidding Larry. I love you man. Save me a seat at the next RT!
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    I am Lost

    I have heard so much about this hoopla. I still don't know the original problem. I do know that questioning someones sexuality because they don't agree with you or don't give you your way is wrong. I would think if you want to not participate in the org, you have that right. Its just like something coming on TV that you don't like, change the channel. I am a new member of both orgs. I met Carlos in Chicago. He seemed like a nice guy. I like everyone here and enjoy posting on this site. I don't post much at UAMCC. Only because of time. I find their board harder to navigate. Here I login and see the recent threads and post were I can help. I have to say giving away information is new to me but if I can help get pricing back up indusry wide then I am dedicated to giving advice. This seems to be a problem of conflicting directions. You will have this with any partnership. I don't have a problem with a for profit org. Most are for profit. I actually like profit. If Carlos can't make money on this org, why bother to organize. If we can't stop fighting about bullshizz, why have these boards. I have read the posts and they are cryptic to say the least. People won't say the "problem" but they will call him gay. WTF people. This infighting has destroyed a big part of this industry already. New pressure washer buisinesses come to these boards and see this crap and decide to not even participate. That hurts everyone involved. If you don't want to be a member of UAMCC demand your money back. Stop this incessant bitc****. I am sure I will get some heat but thats ok because its cold in South Bend.
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    Tom and Ron and everybody else who was confused by Russ' post: NO ONE EVER SAID, OR HINTED OR INSINUATED THAT CARLOS WAS GAY.

    The point Russ was making was that just because someone appears to be one way (straight - in the case of Gomer Pyle and the other examples) doesn't mean that they that way behind the scenes.

    In other words just because Carlos has a way of making people think he's the greatest guy in the world doesn't necessarily make it true.

    Ted Bundy was so good at appearing to be a great guy that all of his victims trusted him immediately. OH GREAT - NOW I'LL HAVE TO HEAR THE SPEECH FROM RON ABOUT NOT CALLING CARLOS A SERIAL K*LLER!

    READ GUYS - we are using examples and figures of speech to make our points! WE ARE NOT CALLING ANYONE GAY or any other derogatory name.
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    And now we all know why I was joking about things flying..I thought I could change the direction the thread was heading and it ended up here anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Potter View Post
    And now we all know why I was joking about things flying..I thought I could change the direction the thread was heading and it ended up here anyway
    Good morning David. Getting back to the original thread - Has anyone seen Carlos this morning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Shelton View Post
    Tom and Ron and everybody else who was confused by Russ' post: NO ONE EVER SAID, OR HINTED OR INSINUATED THAT CARLOS WAS GAY.

    The point Russ was making was that just because someone appears to be one way (straight - in the case of Gomer Pyle and the other examples) doesn't mean that they that way behind the scenes.

    In other words just because Carlos has a way of making people think he's the greatest guy in the world doesn't necessarily make it true.

    Ted Bundy was so good at appearing to be a great guy that all of his victims trusted him immediately. OH GREAT - NOW I'LL HAVE TO HEAR THE SPEECH FROM RON ABOUT NOT CALLING CARLOS A SERIAL K*LLER!

    READ GUYS - we are using examples and figures of speech to make our points! WE ARE NOT CALLING ANYONE GAY or any other derogatory name.
    Tony it was not Russ's post that started this...it was the one that was posted after... then removed (as it should have been)

    I know the Free speach thing ...but For me .....When a thread starts to do more harm than good its time to lock it down!

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    If I had time to constantly monitor the board, to keep things from getting out of hand, I would just edit things like no other. I will ask that everyone get back on track with the original poster.
    We should no longer be discussing Carlos' sexuality, because really, it has no bearing on the situation and is taking a mole hill, and making the Rocky Mountains. This is about the UAMCC and whether or not they are going to answer questions.
    You all better play nice, or I will give Celeste full editing privileges.
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    This is worse than a Soap Opera !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cleaner View Post
    This is worse than a Soap Opera !!
    Yep.

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    They are answered. There is a .doc file over on UAMCC.

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    Is it over now ???????

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    I have not read this letter, but thought since most of the questions were posted on this board, that it should be posted on this board, so that all concerned and quoted parties could see it. For instance, Ron is banned from the UAMCC board, but it was posted in a place where he would have had to log in to see the letter.
    1-Carlos are you running this org as a "Not for Profit" and if so where are the minutes and the validations.

    Time Line to Apply for Exemption Status


    Source: Online Media Legal Network - (OMLN) is a network of law firms, law school clinics, and individual lawyers across the United States that wish to assist those in need.

    “You will want to have your tax exempt status retroactive to the date of incorporation, so that your nonprofit corporation can take advantage of the exemptions and so that any donations are tax-deductible. You have 15 months from the date of incorporation to file Form 1023, with a 12 month extension.”


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    “It appears that the earliest date that a 501c may appropriately issue donation receipts is the date on which the charitable entity is legally formed. This would generally be the date the incorporation is approved by the state. The importance of the legal formation (generally the date the incorporation is approved by the state) is emphasized in the instructions for Form 1023, which state that if Form 1023 is filed within 27 months after the end of the month in which an organization is legally formed, and the IRS approves the application for tax-exempt status, the effective date of the tax-exempt status is retroactive to the legal date of formation. Therefore, it appears that only gifts received on or after the date of incorporation could be appropriately receipted for charitable donation purposes.”

    **In the above cases and many more legal cases that we could choose as an example that the UAMCC is in COMPLIANT with the FULL LETTER of the reporting requirements.

    Facts relating to the UAMCC and the IRS relating to Time Lines

    UAMCC Incorporated in the State of Calif. 03/10/2009

    We have 15 months from the date of our incorporation to FILE. This 15 month benchmark would have expired for the UAMCC on June 10, 2010. In other words in 6 months from today’s date (November 28, 2009).

    Beyond that, federal law from the IRS allows us a 12 month extension beyond June 10, 2010. This of course would allow any organization seeking a tax exempt status (501c-3, 4, 5 or 6) an additional 12 months beyond the 15 month. In our case this would allow the UAMCC up until June 10, 2011 to file for an exempt status or otherwise known as a non-profit, if applicable.

    Once our exempt status (501C-6) is approved it will be RETROACTIVE back to the date of our Incorporation – In our case this is 3/10/2009 **

    **You will want to have your tax exempt status retroactive to the date of incorporation – source: OMLN **

    **This would generally be the date the incorporation is approved by the state. The importance of the legal formation (generally the date the incorporation is approved by the state) – source: Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability

    To further show the UAMCC has followed the LAW – We submit to the membership cancelled checks drawn from the UAMCC Checking account.

    These checks accompanied the UAMCC application for the Internal Revenue Service and State of California Secretary of State exemption application.

    IRS Forms Submitted

    IRS Form 1024 – Application for Recognition of Exemption Under Section 501(a)
    IRS Form 8718 – User Fee for Exempt Organization Determination Letter Request

    State of California State Franchise Tax Board

    California Form 3500 – Exemption Application

    501c6 Application Fee CLEARED CHECK Made Out to the IRS:

    IRS Forms 1024 – Application for Recognition of Exemption Under 501(a)
    IRS Form 8718 – User Fee Exempt Organization Determination Letter Request

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    501c6 Application Fee CLEARED CHECK Made Out to the State of California Franchise Tax Board.

    California Form 3500 – Exemption Application.


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    I am aware that Ron Musgraves and John Tornabane (non-members of the UAMCC) have publicly stated on The Grime Scene that they either individually or collectively have called the IRS and/or have had their attorney contact the California State Attorney Generals Office in which they seem to indicate that there is no record of the UAMCC.

    It is my hope that now we as members and also non-members will evaluate the merits and proof that the UAMCC has provided as the facts surrounding our exemption status verses an allege phone call made to the IRS or an attorney that has or will be contacting the State of Calif. Attorney Generals Office.

    In conjunction with this, Mr. Scott Stone publicly stated on The Grime Scene that a non-profit application should be granted and/or immediately awarded by the IRS. He offered no proof to support his claim and now it is quite obvious, based on the creditable reference below that his comment(s) are without merit. This URL comes directly from the IRS Website in which it outlines the number of months that it takes to get approval. At a minimum, no one seeking exemption status should expect a response from the IRS until after 3 months after the application was received.

    As of November 28, 2009
    http://www.irs.gov/charities/article...156733,00.html
    Where Is My Exemption Application?
    “Currently, we are assigning applications received in June” **Half way down the page.




    Sometimes, representatives of exempt organizations and practitioners question why certain applications for tax exemption are processed faster than others. Not all applications are the same. While many are complete when received and involve straight-forward scenarios, others may be incomplete or involve complex issues that require further development. This web page describes the application process and provides information on how to determine the status of an application.
    EO Determination Application Process: Upon receipt, exemption applications accompanied by the required user fee are initially separated into four categories: (1) those that can be approved immediately based on the information submitted, (2) those that need minor additional information to be resolved, (3) those that are submitted on obsolete forms or do not include the items specified on the Procedural Checklist, and (4) those that require development.
    If your application falls within one of the first three categories, you will receive either your determination letter or a request for additional information, via phone, fax, or letter, within approximately 90 days of the date the application was submitted.
    If your application falls within the fourth category, you will be contacted once the application is assigned to an EO agent for further development. Because these applications may experience some “wait time” before they are assigned, we regularly publish the receipt date for applications currently being assigned, to help you track your application.

    Currently, we are assigning applications received in June.
    If you submitted your application after the month indicated above, continue to check this web page for updated assignment information.
    If you submitted your application before the month indicated above and you have not been contacted by the IRS about your application, you may want to contact the toll-free Customer Account Services at 877-829-5500. You will need the following information when calling:
    1. The name of the organization on whose behalf the request was submitted;
    2. The organization's employer identification number (EIN);
    3. The document locator number assigned to the request (if you have received one); and
    4. A proper power of attorney submitted with the exemption application, unless you are an officer or director and legally authorized to represent the organization.
    More Information: Click here for a chart illustrating the EO Determination Application process. Additional information for submitting exemption applications and requests for rulings or determination letters may be found on this website.
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    The inference that he made in which he said I purposely delayed the application process is yet again unfounded and incorrect. The UAMCC is legally well within the law with both state and federal guidelines relating to the application process.

    Any reference made today to the contrary will be considered an act of slander towards the UAMCC, it’s membership, Transition Team, Executive Director and Board of Directors.

    The management of the UAMCC will continue in a direction in which our expenditures will reflect the support of our mission statement. The spirit of how this organization operates, up until our exception status is approved, will continue to be in the fashion which our expenditures will be used to bring awareness to the power washing industry. Our financial statements from April through September show a clear pattern of how our revenue has been spent. It is my belief that if the UAMCC began or begun spending money in a way that does not satisfy it’s pending exemption status we would be notified by our CPA. Our CPA also has a fiscal responsibility in which he would advise the UAMCC if he felt or seen expenditures that do not run congruent with the IRS guidelines for a 501c-6 exemption. Up to this date we have not received any word of caution or questionable expenditures that would reflect badly on the UAMCC regarding our application.


    2-Are you really still running this org as a "For Profit" and does that give you the right to spend our memberships money any way you like?

    **See answer 1


    3-Did you pay yourself any money back to pay off the money you donated to this org??

    The short answer: NO. The money that I gave to off-set start-up expenses for the UAMCC prior to it opening its doors in Albany was done with the sole intent to ensure that the lack of money would not slow the infrastructure building process. The necessary money that I personally have put forward was something that I knew would need to happen even before the TT was assembled. I did this freely.

    4-Did you hire any family members and put them on your bankroll thru the org??

    It saddens me that this question is being asked. Never once has my family (Bettye & Madison) ever…ever received one single penny from the UAMCC. It is despicable that anyone could suggest this or even ask a question or questions along this line. My daughter helped me put labels on the convention postcards prior to her going to Church Camp. She helped maybe 5-6 days with dad in the office. I have yet to pay her yet as I told her when she finished helping I will giver the $80+ she earned for X-mas shopping.

    5-Did you say on the net that you are the one who makes the decisions of who goes where and how the money for that would be spent??

    No…I made the comment that once the team discussed the pro’s and con’s of something then a decision is made by me. Here is an example of how this works and has been working for the TT. TT members have concurred that this indeed is the procedure.

    In the case of who goes to a RT ~ I ask on our weekly conference call who can attend. I have encouraged the members of the TT to attend if they can. Their schedule and availability is a heavy consideration that weighs on who goes. I do not wish for them to attend a RT if they have a big job going on or will take them away from their own business needs.

    Secondly, we have tried to keep the cost factor down in which we would prefer that any flights (if needed) would not exceed $300.00 ~ $350.00 RT. There is no written policy on this but it is and has been my preference relating to establishing an “internal guide” of what we will spend.

    Third. we also look at where the RT will be at and also what involvement the UAMCC will have i.a. are we speaking?, do we have a table? who from the TT best fits or is the most appropriate to attend.

    Fourth – We try to factor or project the return revenue of new memberships. An example would be that if we had a room of 1000 contractors in Alaska that were ready to become members ~ the likely hood of us spending $450.00 for a plane ticket is probably pretty good because the ‘return’ investment supersedes the expenditure of sending one, two or three TT members. On the other hand, if those same contractors in Alaska were the same contractors that heard us speak in Hawaii 2 months earlier, then it would be safe to assume that the ‘return’ would not be as promising as compared to the first scenario.

    I ask all TT members on our calls as a group who can make the different functions since I don't want to be the only nor should I be the only one hoping on a plane and going everywhere.

    6-Did you say after you made an official announcement on the net that the major bb's will be getting an award and then say on that last board call that PWI will not get one before you asked all of us??

    First of all, in the early stages of the convention committee I had asked the convention committee to allow me to handle the awards ceremony. There were people and BBS’s that I wanted to thank for their support in supporting the UAMCC from the beginning. All members of the convention committee agreed to this. This would be one opportunity for ME to publicly thank those that has helped the UAMCC. i.a. Gene Fivel, Joe Burke and many others. With that, the different BBS’s were included in that bunch.

    Certainly during the early stages PWI was a candidate for that recognition. However it is pretty tough to justify giving recognition to anyone where they publicly state that they don’t support you or endorse you.

    As far as asking the convention committee – it was my position that I was given the latitude to decide who would get one. Never did I think nor was I under the impression that I needed to run this by the convention committee. When I brought it up on the call as a courtesy to let the committee members know how I felt about the public statement from PWI in which they said they do not support or endorse the UAMCC – it became obvious that all the committee members understood my position except for John T.

    The fact that PWI received any recognition can be credited to Jeff L. and Mathew J. They helped me navigate through this with several suggestions to remedy this. I never once received a suggestion from John…never once received a call about …”Hey Carlos …lets try this for the award….Nope…his position was that no matter what PWI has publicly stated we should follow through with the award that was mentioned months earlier.

    There are many great contractors at PWI. I for once used to visit there. When any administrator puts out an official statement that their BBS does not endorse nor support the UAMCC…you tell me ….should they be given recognition at our national convention?

    I would like to thank Mathew Johnson and Jeff LeCours here and now for again assisting me in finding a common ground with this situation. It is refreshing to have individuals such as yourself that bring solutions to problems.

    The fact of the matter is that the contractors at PWI did receive recognition in Orlando.

    7-Ask Don Phelps if he PM'd me thru the UAMCC bb that the PWI is Carlos's decision and there is nothing I can do about that?

    **See Answer #6**

    8-Ask Carlos was he running this org like he is the president when he is also the ED?

    Today I am the Executive Director and was appointed this by the Transition Team soon after Albany NY. Again, the TT team and I discuss the affairs of the UAMCC as a group. I know I am repeating myself here but the UAMCC TT and I work on UAMCC matters collectively and as a group. There is no President position in the UAMCC today until January 1, 2009.

    9-Ask Carlos did he set aside the 20% for each regional??

    This was brought up on the very first UAMCC membership conference call back in May. I brought up the allocation of the 20% to the regions on this call. I said that I would like to start allocating $ to the regions. Rick Petry, UAMCC Contractor Member, brought up several terrific points that doing this certainly is the end goal but doing it now due to the fact that the regions are not even set up nor did we have the contractor sign-ups to even “fill-in” the regions seemed too soon for such a young association that just opened up it’s door no more than 30 days ago. The tone of the conversation from the members on that call eluded that the UAMCC still needed to allocate membership dollars towards getting more member through marketing, appearances, website, google and etc.

    The UAMCC is committed to follow through on the proposed allocation once the regional policies are endorsed by the BOD’s.

    I will again state that I brought this up on the very first conference call in which I suggested we allocate the 20%. I thank Rick and the many others on the call for throwing the “speed bumps” in front of the UAMCC during that call in which the membership at that time felt the UAMCC still needed to keep the allocations going towards creating the awareness about the UAMCC..

    Let it be known here we were told on my very last board of elect call to have this 5 yr planned read which I did. Then on the call I ask Carlos that Question and he tables it immediately. Ask the other Bod elects if that is true.

    I asked all the BOD’s to have the 5 years business plan read. That was the agenda…to make sure that all of the BOD Elects had the 5 years business plan read…nothing more. The reason behind this is that the 5 years plan is our blueprint and the BOD’s will be instrumental in assisting the membership to navigate the UAMCC to achieve its goals. I wanted to ensure that ALL BOD’s read it. I am thankful that John did read it. I also find it utterly interesting that a question about the 20% regional allocation is broached now when that was discussed and resolved on the very first membership conference call.

    **I specifically brought Rick Petry’s name up here as he was the one that brought up some of the points that I referenced above. Rick, please so advice whether or not my interpretation is correct.** Thank you sir!

    10- Ask Carlos if Rob and I told him about Jeff getting to excited and announcing news to soon on the net without the Chairs blessings?

    The question is pretty vague in itself. I guess the question here is did Rob as the Chair call Jeff directly and ask him to refrain from announcing stuff? Certainly one in this position has the right to call a member of a committee to broach a concern.

    11- Ask Carlos is he the one who gets to make the calls on Question 10??

    This is very vague and I can’t connect the dots on this one but I will try. Am I being asked did I make all the decisions on the convention stuff? Maybe the other members of the Convention Committee can chime in and address how things were handled relating to the convention.

    The one thing that I do regret doing is adding the Skid Sponsorship without first running it by the entire convention committee. It was a mistake at that time to not broach this. I immediately called up all the members and apologized for this and gave them my assurance that it would not happened again.
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    Of course – the skid sponsorship worked to our favor because no sooner we announced the sponsorship opportunity – HydroTek contacted the UAMCC inquiring about this. At the end it worked out to our advantage.

    12- Ask Carlos if he is the one who picked the ones who served on the finance committee and were there backgrounds clean enough to do this?? Ask him were there anyone serving there ever convicted of any Felonies?

    Did I hand pick the Finance Committee? No. Again this was determined and agreed upon as a group. The UAMCC Finance Committee role was not one of approving or disapproving budgets or allocating money to a “secret slush fund”. The UAMCC Finance Committee was a committee that there sole purpose was to evaluate the costs of several things relating to our infrastructure. Several examples I could give is that they were in charge of establishing a marketing budget (online and offline), Directory submission costs, website creation, hosting cost, SEO writing and many more. Their job was to go out and find the best cost for the UAMCC relating to our infrastructure. There role as members of the Finance Committee did not fall on the traditional sense of what a Finance Committee usually does. Beyond that, they were empowered to speak amongst themselves for the sole purpose of bringing suggestions and cost ratios to the team and myself so that we can get the most ‘bang for our buck’.

    To suggest that a investigation into their background was needed for them to do the above taks would seem to me an over kill based on their responsibilities on the Finance Committee. As far as anyone having a felony, I never have been brought any creditable information that this was ever the case. Regardless of anyone of the TT past, I am proud and honored to have had them working with the UAMCC. Jeff L., Ken F., Terry M. Rob H., Michael K., David V. & Scott M. have all worked very hard and with me and the UAMCC. During their time as TT members I never once had any regret having anyone of them aboard. They were and are a great team and the success of the UAMCC can be attributed to their efforts and sacrifices they each have made.

    13- Ask Carlos is he a Power washer or a Landscaper and what exactly is his deal there since we all know that John Tornabene has been a cop for over 22 years and a powerwasher another 15 years??

    Right now I am neither…I am the Executive Director of the UAMCC. Prior to me starting the UAMCC back in 2008, I was both in the washing and landscaping business.


    14-Ask Carlos why he didn't take mine and Robs complaints serious before the Convention ever began??

    I will need to ask that this question be more specific. Are you suggesting supposedly complaints about Jeff?


    15-Ask Carlos as time went by why was it no longer "We said" but instead his responses became "I said".

    If this is about the TT (old and new) then I will need to default to them. There is nothing better than to get it from the folks that worked with me. Terry, Ken, Michael, Scott, Scott S., Rob H, Jeff L., David V. ~ guys I ask you to chime in and offer your take on the question above.

    If this is about the Convention…then I would default to Jeff and Don for their honest and candid response.

    16-Ask Carlos why the BOD was not put into place sooner along with the Oversight Committee??

    The appointment of the BOD and Oversight Committee early on was always scheduled to be put in place at the first of the year. This is no secret and this decision was made even before the election of the BOD’s took place. Logically it seemed to be the right time to do this as this is when our FY would begin.

    Beyond the question above, I offered to all the BOD candidates (before the voting) to attend the weekly TT conference calls that are held every Monday. The reason behind that was that I wanted to afford each candidate a “birds eye view” so that whoever was elected they would be “up to speed” on UAMCC affairs prior to January 1st when they would be seated. Theoretically this was set up (attending calls prior to January 1st) in which they would have the opportunity to get to know their fellow BOD’s.


    17-Ask Carlos if he was bad mouthing Rob to me and me telling him if you think Rob is doing a bad job then tell him instead of letting people jump over him?? For the Record everyone and I mean everyone said the Convention was excellent and Rob did a great Job!!

    Did I have concerns about Rob early on when this call took place? Sure I did. I felt that Rob was not engaging enough with the Convention Committee. Did I bad mouth him? If saying that I felt he was not doing enough is bad mouthing than yes I did say that. I did voice my concerns to John. I told John that I felt Rob was not doing enough as the Chair. I spoke to Rob right before he resigned as a BOD candidate and as a TT member as he called me to ask me the same question. My response to Rob was whether or not he was perfect in his duties?….I said no. I also said that what I did was not perfect. Was Jeff perfect in his duties?…NO…Was Don P. perfect? …NO.

    The convention was a success. Rob and everyone on the convention committee should be proud of what was accomplished. The old phrase “There is no “I” in the word TEAM” comes to mind as I type this.

    18-Ask Carlos for all the minutes and meetings that were properly documented thru minutes and who validated them??

    The UAMCC has a record of every single individual that has attended a conference call. From our TT meetings every Monday all the way to our Monthly Membership meetings.

    We have a UAMCC Behind The Scenes forum that we have and had utilized for continued discussions relating to matters that we felt needed more discussion and/or follow up.


    19- Ask Carlos when one Ron Musgraves was thrown out who voted on it and once again was there minutes and were they validated to make it legally binding?

    We have emails and verbal confirmation from all the TT members that all were in agreement with. The only exception to the emails is that David V. responded to me by phone in which he concurred with the majority. **David if this is not the case (you calling and rendering your opinion) please let the members know here. Thank you sir:


    20- Ask Carlos was Ron given the right thru "Due Process" if he was given a forum to state his case which is the way most org's do.

    We certainly did. When Ron was originally banned from the UAMCC BBS this email was sent to him:


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Carlos
    To: ronmusgraves@nationalcleaningexpo.com
    Cc: jl9055@sccoast.net; scott@stainlessdeal.com; michael@firstchoicepowerwashing.com; aplus_pressurewashing@yahoo.com
    Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 8:36 pm
    Subject: Recap of our phone conversation
    Ron,

    As promised I am emailing you as I agreed to do on the call we had on 8/4/09.

    As you know you have been banned at the UAMCC BBS for conduct that was inappropriate as a member of the UAMCC. You took confidential information from the private section and shared it with non-members of the UAMCC. Whether it was done on purpose or accident still does not correct what was wrong.

    In conjunction with this, you deliberately put the UAMCC in a very bad light with untrue and unfounded accusations about the UAMCC. You purposely singled out Jeff LeCours, owner of J.L. Pressure Washing and a member of the UAMCC Transition Team. We can only surmise that this was a direct retaliation revolving the banning of you from the BBS in the first place.

    You put in writing that you formally resigned as a member of the UAMCC if the UAMCC did not do one of two things:

    1. Put your banner up on the UAMCC BBS

    2. Refund your money

    Though I did not speak much to these two points on the phone call but I find it hard to see how you feel you can dictate and/or put an ultimatum to the UAMCC relating to your membership status? The above two points are not an option. The Transition Team spoke on this days before my call with you and the overwhelming vote was that the above 2 points are not an option.

    You told me that you do not want to be part of the UAMCC as a member as you do not "like what you see' and that maybe after some time off that you would reconsider joining.

    The idea of allowing a employee/representative from NCE take your place is an idea or suggestion you broach. Please explain how by doing this will eliminate the problem that we recently experienced with NCE. Once we hear back from you relating to this email I will bring this back to the transition team for final action.

    Your ban status for the UAMCC BBS will remain in effect until a final decision has been rendered.

    In closing I will reiterate that points 1 and 2 above will not be reconsidered as an option relating to the status of your membership.

    Thank you for your time on the phone. Please respond back to this email by August 17th. Should you not respond prior to the deadline the UAMCC will still make a final decision. When emailing back to the UAMCC please also include the distribution list above. In other words do not just send me the email. Thank you.

    Regards,


    Carlos Gonzales
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    5055 Business Center Drive
    Suite 108 ~ #225
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    Toll Free: 1-800-816-3240
    Mobile: 707-812-3702
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    This is Ron response to our email above:

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    Just send the refund promised, keep me banned for life . I dont care...

    21. Ask Carlos again how was he acting like the president and also the ED at the same time and also ask to see once again the minutes and if they were validated to see if he was legally picked for this supposed not for Profit org.

    No one picked me to start the UAMCC. I started this on my own. I put the necessary capital of my own money to establish the UAMCC. I invested close to 2 years of my life (full time) towards the UAMCC. I don’t throw around on the BBS what I have done. This isn’t about me but when questions start alluding to the fact that I needed to be picked by someone in which I needed to have minutes for me to give freely between $16,000 - $20,000 of my own money and 22 months of my life to ensure the UAMCC has a better than average chance of “making it!

    22-Ask Carlos if this is a smoke and mirror org where he has us members think its running as a for profit org and if he is running it for a profit org then why are the TT members Volunteers?? Are the TT members being fooled also??

    **See Answer 1**

    23- Lastly ask Carlos for the Financial's now and not next week?

    The financials through September are and have been made available.
    I have not read this letter, but thought since most of the questions were posted on this board, that it should be posted on this board, so that all concerned and quoted parties could see it. For instance, Ron is banned from the UAMCC board, but it was posted in a place where he would have had to log in to see the letter.

    I did see where I was qouted on the Grime Scene. I may have been mistaken. Even so, given these guidelines, and what the transition team was told, LAST NOVEMBER, the application for Non Profit status was made LAST NOVEMBER. That means it should have been granted somewhere around LAST FEBRUARY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Patterson View Post
    Tony it was not Russ's post that started this...it was the one that was posted after... then removed (as it should have been)

    I know the Free speach thing ...but For me .....When a thread starts to do more harm than good its time to lock it down!
    Well AL when your panties get in wad next time, speak up like a man. I'm sure people are jumping through hoops to appease you at this very moment.
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    Scott, I am assuming you have since read the entire UAMCC response. Based upon this paragraph, it is we from the transition team.. you, me and maybe some others that misunderstood the updates Carlos gave us. This is what he has been saying for awhile. I don't know where else people can go with this. If it is believed that the interest of the industry is in the hearts of the people that make that claim, how can constant fighting and formulating new rhetoric and personal agenda be of any benefit to anyone? Good luck PWI.. wish you guys the best. I'm heading back to greener pastures and business discussions.

    “It appears that the earliest date that a 501c may appropriately issue donation receipts is the date on which the charitable entity is legally formed. This would generally be the date the incorporation is approved by the state. The importance of the legal formation (generally the date the incorporation is approved by the state) is emphasized in the instructions for Form 1023, which state that if Form 1023 is filed within 27 months after the end of the month in which an organization is legally formed, and the IRS approves the application for tax-exempt status, the effective date of the tax-exempt status is retroactive to the legal date of formation. Therefore, it appears that only gifts received on or after the date of incorporation could be appropriately receipted for charitable donation purposes.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ Spence View Post
    FYI, Jim Neighbors aka Gomer Pyle was in fact gay!
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    I guess I expected a little less copy/paste and a few less mentions of thing being vague and a little more in the form of direct well word answers and supporting documents (yes I know the cancelled check was there).
    A lot of fluff and still a lot of questions left unanswered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pressurepros View Post
    Scott, I am assuming you have since read the entire UAMCC response. Based upon this paragraph, it is we from the transition team.. you, me and maybe some others that misunderstood the updates Carlos gave us. This is what he has been saying for awhile. I don't know where else people can go with this. If it is believed that the interest of the industry is in the hearts of the people that make that claim, how can constant fighting and formulating new rhetoric and personal agenda be of any benefit to anyone? Good luck PWI.. wish you guys the best. I'm heading back to greener pastures and business discussions.

    “It appears that the earliest date that a 501c may appropriately issue donation receipts is the date on which the charitable entity is legally formed. This would generally be the date the incorporation is approved by the state. The importance of the legal formation (generally the date the incorporation is approved by the state) is emphasized in the instructions for Form 1023, which state that if Form 1023 is filed within 27 months after the end of the month in which an organization is legally formed, and the IRS approves the application for tax-exempt status, the effective date of the tax-exempt status is retroactive to the legal date of formation. Therefore, it appears that only gifts received on or after the date of incorporation could be appropriately receipted for charitable donation purposes.”
    To A Sole prop...LOL

    No one every disputed that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pressurepros View Post
    Scott, I am assuming you have since read the entire UAMCC response. Based upon this paragraph, it is we from the transition team.. you, me and maybe some others that misunderstood the updates Carlos gave us. This is what he has been saying for awhile. I don't know where else people can go with this. If it is believed that the interest of the industry is in the hearts of the people that make that claim, how can constant fighting and formulating new rhetoric and personal agenda be of any benefit to anyone? Good luck PWI.. wish you guys the best. I'm heading back to greener pastures and business discussions.

    “It appears that the earliest date that a 501c may appropriately issue donation receipts is the date on which the charitable entity is legally formed. This would generally be the date the incorporation is approved by the state. The importance of the legal formation (generally the date the incorporation is approved by the state) is emphasized in the instructions for Form 1023, which state that if Form 1023 is filed within 27 months after the end of the month in which an organization is legally formed, and the IRS approves the application for tax-exempt status, the effective date of the tax-exempt status is retroactive to the legal date of formation. Therefore, it appears that only gifts received on or after the date of incorporation could be appropriately receipted for charitable donation purposes.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPoU8so2u-o
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    Quote Originally Posted by pressurepros View Post
    Scott, I am assuming you have since read the entire UAMCC response. Based upon this paragraph, it is we from the transition team.. you, me and maybe some others that misunderstood the updates Carlos gave us. This is what he has been saying for awhile. I don't know where else people can go with this. If it is believed that the interest of the industry is in the hearts of the people that make that claim, how can constant fighting and formulating new rhetoric and personal agenda be of any benefit to anyone? Good luck PWI.. wish you guys the best. I'm heading back to greener pastures and business discussions.

    “It appears that the earliest date that a 501c may appropriately issue donation receipts is the date on which the charitable entity is legally formed. This would generally be the date the incorporation is approved by the state. The importance of the legal formation (generally the date the incorporation is approved by the state) is emphasized in the instructions for Form 1023, which state that if Form 1023 is filed within 27 months after the end of the month in which an organization is legally formed, and the IRS approves the application for tax-exempt status, the effective date of the tax-exempt status is retroactive to the legal date of formation. Therefore, it appears that only gifts received on or after the date of incorporation could be appropriately receipted for charitable donation purposes.”

    Why are you not on this and How much did you get paid or did not pay???

    You didnt donate to the private Corp
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