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But I wonder why you would protect this thief? He stole a video and tried to sell it as his own, is this a normal way that you do business? Maybe people should steal intellectual property from you and your company, publish it all over the net and they can real the rewards. But if this is your policy, please do declare now, cause I will start immediately using your stuff.

Dint you think it would have just been better for the guy to call me and ask, I would have sent him another video that I don't have on my you tube page, and I would have been happy for him to use it. But just hijacking it is BS. And I guess we see what side of honesty and integrity you sit on

Joe... I posted YOUR link, to YOUR youtube, were all YOUR other videos are linked, and were YOUR phone # and YOUR bus. info are posted. I did this to show how a Sirroco® spinner works. Not to steal your video.

Because my ads always rank high with Google and get several hits (here and here ), I assumed you would be happy to take advantage of the extra traffic.

I posted a page link to Sun Brite Supply on the same ad to show the retail price. You didn't hear Ms. Nichole accusing me of stealing hear webpage. Dude....I think you over reacted!

the 2nd unit is the one he bought direct from us to "copy" (poorly).
..as you also see the Sirocco lables are still on it.
We now have the Vertical versions available to 23hp,
with or without the portable frame.

Joe, you are (again) "the man".. thanks for making us laugh (and point) !

Jerry... After fixing a small design flaw (see here) your machine worked great, but my customer decided it wasn't what they needed, at that point, I decided to build my own. As you can see here, I did not copy your system.

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You copied someone else's system, didn't you. Yes you did.

Furthermore, it is my you tube video, so I do as I please, not what pleases you.

If I wanted to feature someone else video, I would contact them and ask for permission, not forgiveness later. And my friend that is what you are doing by bringing this up after such time has passed. A real fact is that I let people use my videos and literature all the time. When they ask, yes I am selective on who gets them but, that still doesn't change the fact that you never asked, so how could I give permission. Of course this is really only related to commercial purposes, meaning that I expect to take a cut if someone uses my vids for themselves to make money. And even more silly is that I would have put vid together for you and put your name and logo in the vid. I would like to hear other peoples comments on this exact issue.



So lets recap, you looked at the post I made at the time,then quoted in this message, and still want to discuss this issue.

Originally Posted by swrest
But I wonder why you would protect this thief? He stole a video and tried to sell it as his own, is this a normal way that you do business? Maybe people should steal intellectual property from you and your company, publish it all over the net and they can real the rewards. But if this is your policy, please do declare now, cause I will start immediately using your stuff.

Dint you think it would have just been better for the guy to call me and ask, I would have sent him another video that I don't have on my you tube page, and I would have been happy for him to use it. But just hijacking it is BS. And I guess we see what side of honesty and integrity you sit on

But I need to ask, why did you copy the design in the first place? And if you didn't , then how come the guy that did the R&D thinks that you did?

I posted a page link to Sun Brite Supply on the same ad to show the retail price. You didn't hear Ms. Nichole accusing me of stealing hear web page. Dude....I think you over reacted!

Well I want to share a link with you, scince you shared a link to my videos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_500, it is one of my FaVoRiTe links, read it throughly, it is like reading the future....hmmmm And oh yea here is another of MY favorite linkshttp://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/recreation/1277336


Well I do not run that company so what they do is up to them.

And what should have been my proper response?

And since this subject is on your mind, post the link to the original thread.

Well I suppose that I should demand for this post to be closed or moved to a section that only we can see, and not air dirty laundry....hhmmmmm?:yes4:

I also believe that you are looking to scratch up some business, by re hashing this topic, trying to make people ask questions about you copy cat equipment, well here ya go, but buyer beware, this seller has poor scruples.

Hey and if you do roof cleaning, go ahead and steal some of Apple's roof cleaning vids, and I believe you will ask in the future, but I just don't know how you would type it, or speak it.:bash:

Come on down to Tampa and we can talk in person. Or come to Charleston, you are an equipment manufacture so I am sure you will be at the CETA show , correct?

I really hope that we see each other at Tampa, try to come my friend. I would ask if you know what I look like but I am sure that you do from my vids.
 
Where do we go from here?

Joe, I edited most of your mindless dribble from your last post and split it up so I could address some of your issues one at a time.

You copied someone else's system, didn't you. Yes you did.
I say this with fingers in both ears....did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not

If you look at this link you will see there are several people making recovery systems.

The carpet cleaning industry has been cleaning tile and concrete with vacuum recovery systems for years. Check out this video (disclaimer: this video is not mine)

Check out Sun Brite I did not copy the Steel Eagle either.


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So lets recap, you looked at the post I made at the time,then quoted in this message, and still want to discuss this issue.

I only found this forum, where I read your post berating me, a few weeks ago. A few weeks before that I read the libelous accusations. you wrote on your video about me, that was posted on youtube for the whole world to see. This week I decided to become a member of this forum, in hopes of networking with other members, meeting new friends, and yes, hopefully sale some equipment. Because your false accusations where viewed by several of the members, my reputation is ruined here, so hell yes I still want to discuss this issue.



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But I need to ask, why did you copy the design in the first place? And if you didn't , then how come the guy that did the R&D thinks that you did?

With your way of thinking, Ford is the only legit car company. All the others are just "copy cats".

This photo is what is left of a pressure washer recovery system I put togeither 16 years ago. If my system was built before his would that make him the "copy cat"?

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Well I want to share a link with you, scince you shared a link to my videos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_500, it is one of my FaVoRiTe links, read it throughly, it is like reading the future....hmmmm And oh yea here is another of MY favorite linkshttp://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/recreation/1277336
Dude... what's up with all this gun stuff? Are you sure you don't work for the post office?
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I also believe that you are looking to scratch up some business, by re hashing this topic, trying to make people ask questions about you copy cat equipment, well here ya go, but buyer beware, this seller has poor scruples.

Are you suggesting that I, someone who builds pressure washer equipment, would join a forum, that has hundreds of members that buy and use this equipment, and that encourages manufactures to post their equipment for sale, that I would need to "re hash this topic so that I could try to "scratch" up some business. Joe.... I am shocked I tell you!......Just SHOCKED!!!!!!


Hey and if you do roof cleaning, go ahead and steal some of Apple's roof cleaning vids, and I believe you will ask in the future, but I just don't know how you would type it, or speak it.
If you don't know how to write it or speak it, than I sure as heck don't either!
Come on down to Tampa and we can talk in person. Or come to Charleston, you are an equipment manufacture so I am sure you will be at the CETA show , correct?

I really hope that we see each other at Tampa, try to come my friend. I would ask if you know what I look like but I am sure that you do from my vids.

Joe.... I am kind of old and I smoke a lot which makes me get winded easily. So, I am pretty sure you could beat me up really really bad so I don't think you will be seeing me in Tampa. You won this one by default. But don't call me chicken. LOL



When I posted your link on my ad, I did not break any law. When you posted false statements about me and a multi-million dollar company on youtube, you my friend did in fact break the law, and you continue to do so. If you don't understand you should "read this thoughly It is like reading your future"

So Joe ...Where do we go from here?
 
Dude, why didn't you just fire that thing up and make your own video!? You really picked the wrong you tube to steal. I think the cart looks pretty good actually. Really any system that has like 3 or 4 major parts - motor, pump etc, is going to resemble most other systems. I don't know Joe, maybe this guy's not all bad as you might have thought?
 
Anyone here from Texas Know Him? Danny, David or anyone else from Texas met him.

Did you come to the Texas Meeting?

Joe Easy on the threatening stuff Bro, no one at any NCE events is going to ever have a problem with Safety. We usally staff Off duty Police on site for security.

Please both Understand this is a networking educational event. Not a UFC event.

Joe I think you made your point, admit it took some meat to at least defend the accusations.

Maybe look at him taking your video as a compliment instead of getting all worked up. Besides it didnt harm you in anyway truly did it?

I myself have caught guys using parts of my presention, my logos my own name and all sorts of wierd stuff. Misrepresenting themselves as me!!!! Now thats a problem, step back and maybe give this guy a chance to maybe say he is Sorry. I have not seen that yet....but its truly needed. What he did was not right in anyway.

I would say that where we go, start with a sorry too JOe.
 
How about a simple cease and desist on the video link? And if he violated a patent, file a patent infringement lawsuit. No patent it's anyone's.

I will tell you a brief story about threats. I promise this is true.

I had a former employee steal over $7K in equipment from a storage unit I had. I found out and after unreturned calls sent a letter demanding my property be returned in 72 hours. No threats of violence no mention of firearms etc. My mistake was not just reporting the tools stolen.

About 3 days later a deputy was at my front door and I was served with a protective order that included staying 1,000' from this deadbeat and removal of all firearms from my residence. I complied and was allowed to return all firearms after a court hearing a month later. I could never get the guy prosecuted because of lazy ass prosecutors dodging who's jurisdiction was responsible since 3 counties were involved. I did sue him civilly and got maybe .20 on the dollar.

So the moral is, think what you want. But when you put it in writing you may suffer the consequences.
 
Dude, why didn't you just fire that thing up and make your own video!? You really picked the wrong you tube to steal. I think the cart looks pretty good actually. Really any system that has like 3 or 4 major parts - motor, pump etc, is going to resemble most other systems. I don't know Joe, maybe this guy's not all bad as you might have thought?



If you go here to my latest CL ad and click on the link marked "Check out the videos here to see how it works", The top video is the one I made a direct link to. Now, if I use a direct link to a video, that is posted on youtube for anyone to see, or a search query to the same video like I did here, either way can you really accuse me of stealing that video?

I am trying to sale a Sirocco machine. Joe has several videos showing the many uses of the machine. Firing up the machine and making several videos was not an option.

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Joe, I edited most of your mindless dribble from your last post and split it up so I could address some of your issues one at a time.

I say this with fingers in both ears....did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not did not

If you look at this link you will see there are several people making recovery systems.

Yes there are thank you for pointing out the obvious, you the man.:clapping:

The carpet cleaning industry has been cleaning tile and concrete with vacuum recovery systems for years. Check out this video (disclaimer: this video is not mine)
Yes they have been, once again, thank you for making us see the obvious again, and once again, you are the man.:clapping:

Check out Sun Brite I did not copy the Steel Eagle either.

Don't remember anybody saying you did, and as far as I am concerned, I didn't care this whole issue is about you stealing my videos, if I am going to fast or using words you don't understand, let em know 800-661-5349


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I only found this forum, where I read your post berating me, a few weeks ago. A few weeks before that I read the libelous accusations. you wrote on your video about me, that was posted on you tube for the whole world to see. This week I decided to become a member of this forum, in hopes of networking with other members, meeting new friends, and yes, hopefully sale some equipment. Because your false accusations where viewed by several of the members, my reputation is ruined here, so hell yes I still want to discuss this issue.

Discuss away, you should, but libelous, you have no understanding of the law. let me give you great instance that was tried in Federal court a few years ago, that is still look upon a grounding rule for alot of cases. The NY City Transit authority sold ads on the busses, well kids and what not would write all over the ads drawing things like dicks in the mouths of women and men on the ads, well the transit authority would not replace the ads very quickly, so the advertiser would sue the NY City transit
authority to make them do it faster, claiming libelous. They were found to not to be in fault, and there fore not libelous. Further more it was found to not be a breach of contract either.

SO, you feeling that I am libelous, is a joke, what would be your argument, I took another companies video, that they uses to make money for themselves, and linked to it in such a way as to make people think that it was my own. I used it in my sale presentation without and disclamer as to the videos rightfuly owner, and furthermore judge the rightful owner of the video decided to chang the video at his own discretion and do as he pleases with his video, and displayed me in not a flatter way.

Well go for it big boy, love to hear that in an open court room for sure.



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With your way of thinking, Ford is the only legit car company. All the others are just "copy cats". Well you got me there I do think Fords are the best. So score 1 for you, whats that make it 45634 to 1?.

This photo is what is left of a pressure washer recovery system I put together 16 years ago. If my system was built before his would that make him the "copy cat"?
Who cares about this unit, this is not the one you showed in your original caraigs list ad, so stop trying to make people forget about your lyeing, it is shamefull. Some more crap like that and I'll have to take your only point away.
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Dude... what's up with all this gun stuff? Are you sure you don't work for the post office?
Oh I get it post office.....wow...you are a cut up bud.....you so funnny my man. No I really just wanted to share some of my intrests with you, thought that we could be buds and go shooting together, just trying to be nice, so sorry to have offended your scence and scencibilities, put you girl panties on and maybe we can continue this thread.
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Are you suggesting that I, someone who builds pressure washer equipment, would join a forum, that has hundreds of members that buy and use this equipment, and that encourages manufactures to post their equipment for sale, that I would need to "re hash this topic so that I could try to "scratch" up some business. Joe.... I am shocked I tell you!......Just SHOCKED!!!!!!

Well stop being shocked, cause that is what you did.:jester:


If you don't know how to write it or speak it, than I sure as heck don't either!
Well way to miss the point, and furthermore, not put the entire scentence in this rebutle


Joe.... I am kind of old and I smoke a lot which makes me get winded easily. So, I am pretty sure you could beat me up really really bad so I don't think you will be seeing me in Tampa. You won this one by default. But don't call me chicken. LOL

Beat you up? what are you saying, what are you impliying, now talk about slanderous, you think such a thing, if that is what you think then shame on you, I havent faught for 30 years, be a grown up and stop being so insucre, and please do come to Tampa, we would all love to see you, you sound interesting.



When I posted your link on my ad, I did not break any law. When you posted false statements about me and a multi-million dollar company on you tube, you my friend did in fact break the law, and you continue to do so. If you don't understand you should "read this throughly It is like reading your future"

Once again, read what I wrote above, or better yet, you call me or have that other company call me, or serve us with papers., I await your move.

So Joe ...Where do we go from here?



Anyone here from Texas Know Him? Danny, David or anyone else from Texas met him.

Did you come to the Texas Meeting?

Joe Easy on the threatening stuff Bro, no one at any NCE events is going to ever have a problem with Safety. We usually staff Off duty Police on site for security.

Please both Understand this is a networking educational event. Not a UFC event.

Joe I think you made your point, admit it took some meat to at least defend the accusations.

Maybe look at him taking your video as a compliment instead of getting all worked up. Besides it didn't harm you in anyway truly did it?
It was princible Ron, he is a thief, he took video and used it as an advertising tool, a tool for which he is trying to make $$$ on, that was the start and end of my arguement, if we are all to just give away the house now and never take our fair cut, let me know. He could have just asked permission. Doesnt mean I would grant it but ask anyway. Ask around I have givena few guys my pics and vids to use.

I myself have caught guys using parts of my presention, my logos my own name and all sorts of weird stuff. Misrepresenting themselves as me!!!! Now thats a problem, step back and maybe give this guy a chance to maybe say he is Sorry. I have not seen that yet....but its truly needed. What he did was not right in anyway.

I would say that where we go, start with a sorry too JOe.

I am not sure if you mean that I should say sorry as well, or if he should say sorry to me? Although I would be bewildered as to what I am apologetic about.

How about a simple cease and desist on the video link? And if he violated a patent, file a patent infringement lawsuit. No patent it's anyone's.

I hold no patents on any of this, so you are speaking to the wrong person

I will tell you a brief story about threats. I promise this is true.

I had a former employee steal over $7K in equipment from a storage unit I had. I found out and after unreturned calls sent a letter demanding my property be returned in 72 hours. No threats of violence no mention of firearms etc. My mistake was not just reporting the tools stolen.

About 3 days later a deputy was at my front door and I was served with a protective order that included staying 1,000' from this deadbeat and removal of all firearms from my residence. I complied and was allowed to return all firearms after a court hearing a month later. I could never get the guy prosecuted because of lazy ass prosecutors dodging who's jurisdiction was responsible since 3 counties were involved. I did sue him civilly and got maybe .20 on the dollar.

Let him try me in court, I have alot of bussiness partners that are Lawyers, think they will ever let thier cash cow drown? Never....cause you come with one we come with one bus full, there is always a guy that wants to fight a case for the first time, and with the backing of all the big dogs in the firm, well that new guy knows hes golden.

So the moral is, think what you want. But when you put it in writing you may suffer the consequences.

I have written nothing that is threating, you just need to re-read it all. We did.

If you go here to my latest CL ad and click on the link marked "Check out the videos here to see how it works", The top video is the one I made a direct link to. Now, if I use a direct link to a video, that is posted on you tube for anyone to see, or a search query to the same video like I did here, either way can you really accuse me of stealing that video?

I am trying to sale a Sirocco machine. Joe has several videos showing the many uses of the machine. Firing up the machine and making several videos was not an option.

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Nope Never heard of the company or him. Just been seeing the Craigslist ads past couple months.

And by the way Lori seems to think that she knows something horrible about me, why doesnt someone call over there and find out what that thing is, cause I am stummped, you will not hurt my feelings I assure you all, cause if it is true, then I will tell you, but if it is false then I will expose her for the fraud she is, talk about liablous. As well Lori you are frre to post what you know, tell me what you have heard, once again, if it is trure I will say it is true, but if it is false then it is up to you to remove it, look around I have been through the Federal, Stael and local levels, if you can find a bonifide arrest witha conviction bring it on. And don't waste your time tell about my littlering conviction, cause I already know how you know that, I remeber where you used to work.
 
I am not sure if you mean that I should say sorry as well, or if he should say sorry to me? Although I would be bewildered as to what I am apologetic about.



I have written nothing that is threating, you just need to re-read it all. We did.





And by the way Lori seems to think that she knows something horrible about me, why doesnt someone call over there and find out what that thing is, cause I am stummped, you will not hurt my feelings I assure you all, cause if it is true, then I will tell you, but if it is false then I will expose her for the fraud she is, talk about liablous. As well Lori you are frre to post what you know, tell me what you have heard, once again, if it is trure I will say it is true, but if it is false then it is up to you to remove it, look around I have been through the Federal, Stael and local levels, if you can find a bonifide arrest witha conviction bring it on. And don't waste your time tell about my littlering conviction, cause I already know how you know that, I remeber where you used to work.


Your right, He should be apoligizing to you!!!

Are we Clear????
 
Dude, why didn't you just fire that thing up and make your own video!? You really picked the wrong you tube to steal. I think the cart looks pretty good actually. Really any system that has like 3 or 4 major parts - motor, pump etc, is going to resemble most other systems. I don't know Joe, maybe this guy's not all bad as you might have thought?[/QUOTE]

Dear Tom,


I don't know Joe, maybe this guy's not all bad as you might have thought?

Well I call this the wow look at that accident mentality, we drive by from a distance and say, wow, that looks bad, but maybe everones ok, alot of people say that till they are in the accident.

And why would I not think that this guy is bad, he is a theif straight up a THEIF and a fraud, he used my videos to sell his product, not as comparison but as example.

And what he is not showing you is the original picturres that he had on his CL ad, now he shows this and is trying to fool everyone.

Theives=:butcher:=:hang2:=:grin-angelic:eek:r:grin-devilish: depends on how you lived your life. Repent now.


If a guy steals your credit card online, but uses it to buy food for his family is he not as bad as you thought? I need to know how you feel about this!

I only argue when I can win. And the fact that anyone would stand up for this theif and fraud makes me wonder.
 
And by the way Lori seems to think that she knows something horrible about me, why doesnt someone call over there and find out what that thing is, cause I am stummped, you will not hurt my feelings I assure you all, cause if it is true, then I will tell you, but if it is false then I will expose her for the fraud she is, talk about liablous. As well Lori you are frre to post what you know, tell me what you have heard, once again, if it is trure I will say it is true, but if it is false then it is up to you to remove it, look around I have been through the Federal, Stael and local levels, if you can find a bonifide arrest witha conviction bring it on. And don't waste your time tell about my littlering conviction, cause I already know how you know that, I remeber where you used to work.[/QUOTE]

Was it something cool like a dancer?
 
Joe, Lets try an experiment.

Lets go back in time.

We will go back to the point that that Danny posted the quote below.

I have already reposted the offending link to your video, on the ad that has the photos you say I am hiding( Its been up all the time), so the ball is in your court.

First take a look at the ad, get all wee weed up.

Next put your video in your editor and ad all the scumbag, thief, bad equipment, sundek sucks, etc. etc. etc.

Then upload it, come back here and brag about what you did.

I will know when your done I will be watching for you, if you know what I mean.


Just so you, know the ad above is schedulde to expire today, but no worrys, I reposted it, with the offending link below.





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Could someone chop these thread down to something readable...


It's a buzzkill.:kma:
 
Joe I am the last person in the world it would make sense to ask the credit card question to. By all bad I don't mean 'not that bad' - his cart looks ok and I think maybe he just doesn't get it - changes nothing. I am fascinated with your operation and I really hope to meet you in Tampa, won't know for a few days if I can make it.
 
I ask again...Where do we go from here

Joe... In hind sight I probably should have put the link like this check out the videos and see how it works but I believed at the time, nobody in their right mind would get all wee weed up about a link to their videos. I still believe that.

Because I am marketing a Sirocco spinner on both of my ads. I found videos that showed someone using one. I never insinuated your videos were mine.

Just to let you know, the ad that shows my unit was posted to test some new keywords. I have some new photos that I will be posting soon. Here is a sneak peek.

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If you click on the "share" button under your youtube video screen you will realize that when you posted your video on youtude you gave me, and everyone in the world, permission to post your link on email, Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, Orkt, HI5, Blogger, Live Space, Bebo, Buzz, and Stumbleupon. I don't see where I would need special permission to ad your link to my post.

Now if you did your part (which I doubt you will)of our little time travel experiment everyone that has the link to your video on their Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, Orkt, HI5, Blogger, Live Space, Bebo, Buzz, and Stumbleupon not to mention my CL post, are not seeing graffiti on the side of a bus. They are seeing your libelous accusations.

So let my repeat my self. When I posted your link on my ad, I did not break any law. When you posted false statements about me and a multi-million dollar company on youtube, you my friend did in fact break the law, and still you continue to do so. If you don't understand you should "read this thoughly It is like reading your future"

Joe ...I am willing to let bygones by bygones....so, I am asking you.....Where do we go from here?
 
Wow....this is just getting plain ole weird.

Gary stop trying to justify using Joe's video.Just apologise with some sincerity ad remove the links to his youtube videos from you CL ads.
I really can't say I blame him for being pi$$ed off.He owns the artistic rights to any and all videos he has made and any use of said videos by anyone other than Joe without permission for the purpose of making moey with said videos is wrong.
You want to sell equipment and there is nothing wrong with that,but use a little common sense when doing so.
 
First, no threats of any kind are allowed on this forum. It looks bad for everybody and is absolutely unprofessional.
Second, in my opinion, it is a courtesy and more professional to ask someone to use their pictures or videos. If you do, the expectation is to give clear credit to the person whose intellectual property you are using.
Now, Greg, my advice to you is to clean up the mess of hyperlinks that you have made in the attempt to disparage Joe. You could even man up and ask his permissionlike a professional would. If Joe was smart, he would grantpermission, with proper credit, and move on. That way everyone benefits, I can move this to an open, but non searchable, forum, and we can all stop acting like a bunch of screaming ninny's.
As for Jerry, I am fairly certain that he knows what he needs to do for his part.
The ball is in your court, and if this gets more out of hand, I will make this a top post so that everyone can form their own opinion of who the most guilty party is, and promise that no one wl come out smelling like a rose.
 
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