Chemicals and Hot water use Banned in Houston

Wheres the pwna or the uamcc

Better question Lou...wheres your support for either one of these Orgs. ???? Both the UAMCC & PWNA were at this meeting.

Even better question...How does a City Official know what a "Closed Loop Re-Claim" System Is??? But won't listen to people (Contractors) about legitimate Concerns & Questions about Houston's rules and regs, and won't even answer them. The Officials minds were made up before this meeting. Think about it. I'm pretty sure I know the answer.
 
Wheres the pwna or the uamcc

Wheres CETA??? Wheres The Manufacturers??? Wheres the Distributors??? Where were they?????.... Wait....was that crickets I just heard???

Do you think this will just effect Contractors??? REALLY????

Guess what the EPA guy said that was there???? "As Long As Wash Water Doesn't Get Into A Receiving Stream.....We Don't Care" Contractors are not even on they're Radar!!!
 
I think Houston is a $$$$ hungry city. I read that they have 373 speed traps in their city. #1 in the nation for speed traps. I think someone is looking for a year end bonus $$$$.
 
Wheres CETA??? Wheres The Manufacturers??? Wheres the Distributors??? Where were they?????.... Wait....was that crickets I just heard???

Do you think this will just effect Contractors??? REALLY????

Guess what the EPA guy said that was there???? "As Long As Wash Water Doesn't Get Into A Receiving Stream.....We Don't Care" Contractors are not even on they're Radar!!!

Yep thats right Guy, he basically said they only go after the big polluters and that power washers are of no concern to us. The guy that spoke said he only takes on 3 (or something like that) cases a year and it takes an avarage of 3-5 years to get his cases to trial.
 
Thing is, this is now a "Political Battle" since these "City Officials" won't listen, you have to go to their Bosses, that would be the "City Council" and "State Your Case". You need to find a "Friend" on the Council that will stand up for "Small Business". Talk to him show him that this is not just a "Cosmetic" issue, but a "Public Health & Safety" issue as well. If that doesn't work, get the local News Stations and News Papers involved, they would eat this story up. Do like the "Farmers" do when they get "Pissed". Get every Pressure Washing Rig in Houston and "Surround City Hall". That will get the attention of "State Representatives".

The City Of Houston Is Destroying Small Business, And Endangering Public Heath & Safety In The Process !!!

What Politician In His Right Mind Wouldn't Get Behind This Headline And Jump On The Nearest Soapbox For Our Cause???

Small Business Is A Very "Hot Button" Topic...........So Use It!!!
 
Where is this stuff going if we don't clean it? Its going to end up somewhere, right in the storm drain? We're being treated like the source of the pollution.

Guess what the EPA guy said that was there???? "As Long As Wash Water Doesn't Get Into A Receiving Stream.....We Don't Care" Contractors are not even on they're Radar!!!

That sounds correct. Is there even research that shows power washing is even significant? sounds like no. So are these municipalities basing there action on anything? Don't they start with saying it's clean water act enforcement.
 
The whole city, any city, is obviously violating the federal CWA -There is runoff from the city and it's going in a waterway. Thousands of miles of streets, etc. Do cities get an exemption from the cwa? Is there such a thing? If there is we should be covered under it.
 
That's just it Tom. From what I have heard the "Powers That Be" produced NO data, NO Research, NO Reason for they're actions. I would ask "Why Are Pressure Washing Contractors Being Singled Out???" Just because we spray water and sometimes use chemicals???

So why is ok for lawn companies to spray chems. on grass? I'm talking about 1000's of gals a day??? Wouldn't this be pollution according to Houston??? What about insect control??? Isn't spraying pesticide on the ground Pollution according to Houston??? Again 1000's of gals a day. Not to mention Farmers, now you're talking about 10's of 1000's of gals of chemicals going into the ground everyday....And this is just the Houston area!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
As usual, this really makes no sense because the cities are writing ordinances to fine the contractors but also making themselves exempt.

I asked a specific question to the effect of if a contractor was bidding a contract for cleaning and the city decided to do it themself, would the police, epa or tceq go and give them a ticket? They said no because the city is exempt.

When we were driving we got to see a large piece of heavy equipment being washed at the city facility with the wash water going off-site and clearly into the storm water drain. The city can do this all they want but they are out giving contractors fines for less, mostly wash water.

I asked another specific question to the effect of a restaurant owner wanting their street gutters cleaned of the mold, mildew and algae but the contractor had blocked the storm water drains AND was recovering the water and pumping it back onto the property and/or re-using it in a closed-loop-system but when a police officer goes by and sees this, without a clue, without stopping to see what is going on and using some common sense and seeing with his own eyes that not only is nothing going down the storm water drain but the storm water drain is blocked, the ignorant officer just writes a ticket and says to tell it to the judge. They said that you would get a ticket. Even after all I just said, the main enforcement officer said that we would get a ticket and would have to go talk to the judge. Wow!

This just goes to show that they are just out to write tickets, not develop a relationship with contractors, not see that cleaning can be done responsibly, not make sure that contractors are doing the right thing.......just going to write tickets. I wonder what their "unofficial quota" is for each month? I wonder if they get bonuses for exceeding their "unofficial quota" each month?

It is really a huge problem in Houston and with representatives from 8 different cities, it is very possible for those 8 different cities to adopt the "Houston" program, it would be easy, not take months or years of research and time wasted, just copy what Houston is doing and start writing tickets. Once those 8 cities are doing the "Houston" program, a lot more cities will follow and more than likely it will be larger cities close to you.

With the clean water act they don't want grass clippings in the storm water drains. If the cities were really smart they would have crews driving around and fine not just contractors but homeowners of blowing the leaves and grass out into the streets after mowing the grass. They would not have to catch them in the act, just see the grass out in the street and see what house was just mowed and start writing tickets. This would be 10X or 100X more tickets than what they would write pressure washing contractors so it makes you wonder, why are they targeting pressure washing contractors????????????? Commercial properties are mowed weekly or bi-weekly and homes the same schedule so many, many more opportunities for them to write tickets but they are not doing so as far as I know. I wonder why?????

What about painting contractors that wash their brushes and buckets out and it runs down the driveway out into the street or they leave puddles in the parking lot and it runs off the property, I wonder why they are not targeting the painting contractors?????????

There are other fields of work where they would get fines also but did not really get mentioned too much. They did have pictures of some oil change places where they were dumping the used oil into the drains and those people not only got fined but got arrested and are now Environmental Criminals.

I agree, a lot more oil from leaky cars gets into the stormwater system with each rain from what is on the streets but when we wash parking lots the right way, we eliminate the chances of more oil that gets added to the stormwater system so we are doing the environment a favor and helping it but Houston does not see it that way, they are just looking to write tickets.
 
Here's the answer to your question Chris:

There are no manufacturers making grass clipping vacuums that anyone will buy.

There are no manufacturers making paint bucket cleaner outers that anyone can buy.

Manufacturers invited this devil into our home. Every manufacturer that participates in the invite should be targeted by us as our enemy.

Another example of this is J*m G*mble of Cry*stal Cleaning Company. J*m promotes his company by using fear tactics and spreading the lie that the CWA actually demands "nothing down the drain but rain".

If it weren't for manufacturers and contractors like J*m that can't make sales based on their skills and abilities, but rather have to resort to partnering with local authorities in order to "force" potential customers to use them, we wouldn't have situations like Houston where the local commissioners have intimate knowledge of systems and lingo that are only used within our own industry circle and use that to make law the don't even understand.

The local government isn't our enemy. The contractors like the one outlined above and the manufacturers who use these tactics are our enemy.

The local government is the pawn to sell equipment and funnel contracts to contractors that suck. (with a vacuum) :)
 
here is an idea every one stop cleaning in houston let every thing get real ulgy
and the smell so very bad so bad no one can stand it

the people would be all over this city officals write now and the news media would be telling
every on about the problem
also follow the money who got paid off to set up the rules
 
here is an idea every one stop cleaning in houston let every thing get real ulgy
and the smell so very bad so bad no one can stand it

the people would be all over this city officals write now and the news media would be telling
every on about the problem
also follow the money who got paid off to set up the rules

That is an interesting thought but think about the contractors out there that all they do is pressure washing, no side jobs, no full time jobs to keep the family's fed and bills paid. How would they make it if they just all stopped at once?

There are things that need to be done and steps to take. I wish I had the answer to help everyone but it needs to go the right way and not hastily or serious mistakes will happen and it could get a lot worse before it gets better.

I have talked to Ron about this when in Houston after the meeting and the next day and he has some good ideas.
 
I know you said Milwaukee was represented at the meeting. I would be interested to know who the contact was and what department they were in. I would like to meet with them to discuss the Houston plan and see what we can do to head it off before it starts. There are several contractors in town besides myself that I am sure would be interested in being involved in the process.
 
I think that Ron has a list or would know who was from Milwaukee and/or what department, I did not meet anyone from Milwaukee there.
 
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