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    New Pressure Washing Association

    Hello to all on PWI. After reading this post on the Grime Scene: http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/...tml#post192244

    I have decided to start a pressure washing association of my own. This association will be for power washing contractors and by power washing contractors. Every contractor will have a voice and a decision. I have my people working on a website as we speak!

    I know absolutely nothing about starting an association of this nature but since it is going to be an association of power washers I figure everyone on this board can help make it the association everyone in the industry is waiting for. Since it is obvious the PWNA is letting all of us down.

    I hope to have the support of this website and I will keep everyone posted on the status of the association as it develops.

    Leave a post if you are interested in helping in any way. If no one responds I will do it on my own. The industry needs a real association where everyone has a voice!

    PWI will be the associations right hand man. Coming soon...

    Yes, this is an angry post... yes, I am serious.... yes, I have succeeded in everything I have ever committed to in my entire life.

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    Some of the best things in life often come from the change being PISSED OFF can bring.

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    Interested.....wouldlike more info as it becomes available,
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    The door seems to be wide open for that other national org again. Wonder if they will walk through it?
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    Once you have all your ducks in a row let me know and we will get you in front of the NCE crowds.
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    Ty, apparently Mike is saying he didn't have PWNA BOD permission to post that thread now and has edited it. Looks like he is trying to take the blame on himself in spite of the fact that this post was written a full day earlier and he stated he had to wait for BOD approval to post it. The BOD was aware of his investigation of Ron and one BOD even called Ron and practically taunted him about it.

    Mike is a gutsy guy and makes some smart moves, but taking all the blame for this isn't one of them. This was a concertive effort with the less courageous guys sitting back and letting Mike do all the dirty work and now take all the heat. This wasn't a "Mike" thing, this was a PWNA thing.

    Here is the text in it's unedited form:


    One of the pillars of the PWNA is to be a Clear Voice for Our Industry. We must be that clear voice regardless of the consequences. We must be that clear voice even if it means we may lose members. The Board of Directors believe that if we stand up for what we believe and live by the PWNA's code of ethics we are in fact serving our members that have elected us to be on the board. We believe we are demonstrating leadership. As a matter of fact, our membership continues to grow. Although far from where our membership should be, we are currently at 266 members which is the highest our membership has been in years.

    Scott, we do not have a personal vendetta against PWI or Ron Musgraves. PWI and Ron Musgraves are followed by a very large number of people in this industry. Most would agree that it would be in our best interest to do everything in our power to stay on his good side. It is our hope that the relationship can be reconciled sooner rather then later. However, as you will read below, we are unable to associate ourselves with this type of behavior. Whether we are a small or large organization will not impact our convictions.

    Tony, you asked me to point out the reasons why the BOD decided to post only on the Grime Scene. Here is why:

    Under the thread "Certified House Washers PWNA.ORG" An individual made a post that was then responded to in a negative way. After the response post, this individual writes "And this is one reason why I don't care to post. Kinda sorry I did now!" The bulletin boards should be about having people share their positive experiences without someone going negative and insulting the person posting.

    Under the thread "Powdered Bleach Review Roof Cleaning Products". Although this thread started out well, it turned very negative and very personal. In my opinion, at some point an administrator should have interjected to keep the conversation on track. I would describe what I read as a feeding frenzy.

    "Houston Lack of Comment Period for Cosmetic Cleaning BMPs" thread. Directed toward me "If you're willing to educate yourself instead of assuming you know everything about wash water control." I have never stated or implied that I know everything about wash water control. The fact that it comes from Ron, owner of the bulletin board, carries more weight that the statement is true.

    "Houston Lack of Comment Period for Cosmetic Cleaning BMPs" thread. Ron directed toward me "I reach out by inviting you golfing in San Diego." Ron never asked me golfing. When I called him on it he said that he had asked Daryl golfing and that I could come along.

    "Houston Lack of Comment Period for Cosmetic Cleaning BMPs" thread. Regarding the BMPs and that in some cases water reclaim is needed. "Robert and Delux have a great marketing program, bravo to them for helping themselves." Shameful. For Ron, the owner of National Cleaning Expo and the Pressure Washing Institute bulletin board to imply that they are doing this for personal gain is reprehensible.

    "BMPs What They are and What They are Not" thread. Ron writes "That was very offensive telling members to shut up because people are volunteering there time and should basically shut up." I never said this or anything remotely like this.

    "BMPs What They Are and What They are Not" thread. Off Duty Fireman posts "Is it just me, or does this look like a Carlos letter? The following post is from Russ Spence "Te habla espanol?" I would like to know what Russ meant by that?

    "BMPs What They are and What They are Not" thread. Off Duty Fireman posts "Robert believes that Houston is not that bad. You want someone like that writing BMPs that will affect our business?" Robert Hinderliter referred to "as someone like that"? The Off Duty Fireman has no real idea as to what Robert actually said?

    "BMPs What They are and What They are Not" thread. Ron's comment to John T. "We are not like you with a police retirement collect $100,000 for life each year." John writing an opposing view and then being questioned as to his commitment level is wrong.

    "Board and Environmental Committee to Vote on Proposed BMPs" thread. "There ya go, Mike H private message". Ron posts a 2 to 3 minute video directed 100% to me for the world to see. Anything but a private message. Beyond unprofessional.

    "PWNA Convention October 20-22, 2011 at the Hotel Preston" thread. "I have even forgiven the checking into my background on who I am." First, the PWNA did not check into Ron's background, I did. Up until now, I have not posted what I learned on a bulletin board or talked about it outside of the board of directors. I have talked to a couple of individuals who Ron had told that then contacted me. Also, Ron brought it up on a conference which included Kory and myself. Here is the real story.

    For a couple of years Ron Musgraves has told me, and others, that he does 3.5 million dollars a year cleaning sidewalks. Given his notoriety in the industry I had no reason to doubt him. I have attended classes he has taught on how to successfully grow a business through unique and successful sales programs and by effectively using the internet. On the bulletin boards and round tables, Ron portrays himself as a power washing and sales expert. For this reason, I wanted to visit Ron's operation and see what I could learn from an industry leader and someone so successful.

    In 2010 I asked Ron if I could visit his operation. He said yes. In 2010 I visited the operations of Chris Lambradines, Rich Colletti, Mike Kreisle, Michael Stuart, Paul Horsley, Doug Barrett and Eric Clark. A number of times a date was chosen and then cancelled. In early March I talked with Ron and told him I was coming to Phoenix with my wife Cindy whether he was going to be there or not. Ron and I had actually scheduled a meeting for Friday, April 15th which was to include Daryl Mirza to discuss the Houston issue. Then we had the conference call with Ron where he hung up on the board, I had a phone call from Ron immediately after the conference call where he cancelled our April 15th meeting. Like I said, I had already booked the flight and whether Ron was in Phoenix or not, I was going to go to Phoenix with my wife.

    While in Phoenix Cindy and I met with some friends for a couple of days and Cindy and I visited the Grand Canyon. I had more than enough time to at least drive by Ron's operation to see what I could. Here is what I found:
    The only link on Ron's website that works is the bulletin board link. The rest of the buttons bring you to an under construction page. Take a look for yourself at Pressure Washing Phoenix Arizona. The page is outdated looking and not what you would expect of a 3.5 million dollar company.
    From the hotel I called the toll free number on Ron's website and it was answered directly by Ron.
    Search the White Pages for Pro Power Wash and nothing comes up.
    The Better Business Bureau has no information on Pro Power Wash.
    Google Pro Power Wash and the only thing that comes up is his website. Google Roof-to-Deck and the whole first page is my company.
    Every address I could find was a P.O. Box.
    The corporate documents with the Arizona Secretary of State have a P.O. Box.
    I called AZ Power Wash Pros and talked with the owner to see if he knew where Ron's facility was and because I thought maybe Ron owned this company because the name was so similar to Pro Power Wash. The owner said he had never seen any of Ron's vehicles. I asked the owner who the largest power washing companies were and he said Acme Power Washing, Desert Eagle Power Wash and possibly AZ Power Wash Pros.
    After my conversation with AZ Power Wash Pros, the owner called Ron to tell him that I was asking about Ron's business. Ron left me a voice mail saying that he had been contacted by several people (I had only talked with one) and he was upset that I was calling his competitors to learn about his business. Ron also called me a "bonehead". Understand that I called his competitor because I wasn't finding anything on Pro Power Wash by going through steps 1 through 8 above.
    Ron gave me an address of 1040 Indian School Road and said that is where his operation is. He said to beware of the dog and to not bother his tenants and that he owned the buildings. I stopped by there 3 times at all hours of the day and found nothing but empty buildings with for rent signs in front of them. I also found through County records that the properties were not owned by Ron.
    Through The Official WhitePages - Find People for Free I found a home listed for Ronald A Musgraves, Jr. in Gilbert, AZ. Here I found 6 yellow trailers with power washers on them. There was no signage on the property or on the trailers. You can view the property using Google Earth. There you will see 6 trailers.
    I visited 13701 E Ray Road Saturday morning around 10:00 am and found 6 trailers on property. I visited again around 6:25 pm Sunday and found 6 trailers. At 6:15 am Monday morning I found 4 trailers and shortly after that 2 unmarked pick-up trucks with unmarked trailers returned and parked the trailers. At 11:30 am Monday I checked again and found 6 trailers on property. Ron's property was about 10 minutes from my hotel and I stopped by 4 times to make sure I checked frequently to have the most accurate information I could have.
    I called Acme Power Washing and the owner of that company said that he had never heard of Ron Musgraves or Pro Power Wash. Desert Eagle Power Wash always went to voice mail.
    My expectation was that I would find a professional looking operation running between 20 to 30 vehicles. In 2010 Roof-to-Deck did $3.52 million which required around 30 mini vans plus a few sales cars operating in 3 large markets. That is not what I saw. Draw your own conclusions.

    For the reasons above is why the PWNA will only be posting on The Grime Scene for the foreseeable future.

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    It's all inexcusable.
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    Sounds to me like someone has too much time on their hands and nothing else better to do while they are in Arizona besides to stalk Ron.

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    The guy needs to get a hobby.

    I only joined PWNA because Ron had suggested that in his opinion the PWNA was moving in the right direction and could benefit my business. It is my understanding that Ron influenced a lot of people in their decision, promoted the hell out of the PWNA in usual Ron fashion on PWI and at NCE events - I think they probably benefited from Ron's efforts.

    In this latest episode of 'Days of our Lives', I can only take from what my experience has been. Ron has helped me and countless others with sound advice or tidbits of information for free - PWNA allowed me to use a logo (never used it), gave me an opportunity to attend the old boys network meeting, sorry PWNA conference (I didn't attend) and said I would get a monthly subscription to Cleaner Times (didnt' get it). So what did I get for my money...

    I know you get out of something what you put in... but I didn't see anything they were doing that warranted my input. With this 'expose' attempt by Mr. Hilborn, I have no confidence in the direction of the PWNA. Is this setting a precedent?... have an issue with the board of an organization that you are a member of and expect to have your business dissected. The recent PWNA renewal invoice is now in the trash.

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    Hundreds of feet of hose, Steve? Last I saw you didn't have more than 150 on your reel. I'll be in orlando this Saturday with my tape measure to verify that!

    All kidding aside, when I first started to read Mikes post I was in agreement. I think there are way to many snide remarks
    , ad hominem attacks or just plain misunderstandings. But he went way too far with his 'investigation'.
    I don't like the way Ron does some things, but my overall experience is that he really tries to help the industry as a whole, and every person that has called him for advice (that I know of) has benefitted from his wealth of experience.
    I was just about to rejoin the pwna, but I think I'll wait another year or two. That whole thing shouldn't have happened, nor ever made public.

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    Sorry but I have a hard time getting past the fact that a company that uses "30" mini vans. That's a lot of sales vehicles. I am sure OSHA would frown on sticking employes in minivans with gas fumes, sealers and stains and other flammable materials.
    There are many other point I could comment on but I have a business to run. And please don't paste my personal addresses on a bb unless you want me to show up at your door step and pester the crap out of you.
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    There was some question as to the text I posted. This isn't an email to me. Mike sent me an email a day or so prior and asked me to keep it confidential between him, Scott and me. I did. I told no one including Ron because he asked for my confidentiality.

    I still haven't posted any of the email, the text I posted from directly from the post on the Grime Scene as seen below. Beth asked Mike to edit it and he did so but unfortunately his removal of the text made anyone who answered the post look like a moron who was just ranting and raving about how good Ron is.

    I'm not certain if that isn't worse than leaving the thread intact.



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    Jon, you are right it should have never have happened. But being made public is exactly what should have been done. If people are willing to do things they should be willing to accept the consequences of them. If this works out well for the PWNA they will be giving each other high fives. If not, they will claim Mike was acting alone.

    Who you are is who you are. It's better to be up front with it and take whatever heat comes than to run and hide behind a mask. I'm apparently a social menace that hates our current government and dislikes this generation's law enforcement. I take a lot of heat for that, but that's who I am. I'm not running from it.

    Mike apparently isn't running from who he is either. I give him a lot of credit for that. I wonder if any other men will step up and keep him from falling on the sword alone?

    ......the sound of crickets???....
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    Okay, its official. There is a new organization coming soon! And it will actually be there to help pressure washers across the Nation. Every voice will be heard. I am assembling the paper work right now. Already have the name of the org but I want to wait until all the paper work is completed before it is released. I will keep everyone posted on the progress.

    This board will help make all the decisions. I was going to have the board help come up with the name but I didn't want the wrong hands purchasing the name before I got the company set up. Besides, I found a good one!

    Thanks to everyone who is supporting the new org!!!

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    Oh Ty......you have lost your mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaProWash View Post
    Oh Ty......you have lost your mind
    It shouldn't be a problem competing with this type of an organization... I actually have real competition in Arizona and I am doing just fine. Our new org will soon take over the industry. Esp with the support of Ron and other experienced power washers across the Nation.

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    Here we go again!

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    I hope you're not underestimating the forces that'll be working against you, or at
    Least have the fortitude to stick it out and fight it for a few (2-10) years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Shelton View Post
    Ty, apparently Mike is saying he didn't have PWNA BOD permission to post that thread now and has edited it. Looks like he is trying to take the blame on himself in spite of the fact that this post was written a full day earlier and he stated he had to wait for BOD approval to post it. The BOD was aware of his investigation of Ron and one BOD even called Ron and practically taunted him about it.

    Mike is a gutsy guy and makes some smart moves, but taking all the blame for this isn't one of them. This was a concertive effort with the less courageous guys sitting back and letting Mike do all the dirty work and now take all the heat. This wasn't a "Mike" thing, this was a PWNA thing.

    Here is the text in it's unedited form:


    One of the pillars of the PWNA is to be a Clear Voice for Our Industry. We must be that clear voice regardless of the consequences. We must be that clear voice even if it means we may lose members. The Board of Directors believe that if we stand up for what we believe and live by the PWNA's code of ethics we are in fact serving our members that have elected us to be on the board. We believe we are demonstrating leadership. As a matter of fact, our membership continues to grow. Although far from where our membership should be, we are currently at 266 members which is the highest our membership has been in years.

    Scott, we do not have a personal vendetta against PWI or Ron Musgraves. PWI and Ron Musgraves are followed by a very large number of people in this industry. Most would agree that it would be in our best interest to do everything in our power to stay on his good side. It is our hope that the relationship can be reconciled sooner rather then later. However, as you will read below, we are unable to associate ourselves with this type of behavior. Whether we are a small or large organization will not impact our convictions.

    Tony, you asked me to point out the reasons why the BOD decided to post only on the Grime Scene. Here is why:

    Under the thread "Certified House Washers PWNA.ORG" An individual made a post that was then responded to in a negative way. After the response post, this individual writes "And this is one reason why I don't care to post. Kinda sorry I did now!" The bulletin boards should be about having people share their positive experiences without someone going negative and insulting the person posting.

    Under the thread "Powdered Bleach Review Roof Cleaning Products". Although this thread started out well, it turned very negative and very personal. In my opinion, at some point an administrator should have interjected to keep the conversation on track. I would describe what I read as a feeding frenzy.

    "Houston Lack of Comment Period for Cosmetic Cleaning BMPs" thread. Directed toward me "If you're willing to educate yourself instead of assuming you know everything about wash water control." I have never stated or implied that I know everything about wash water control. The fact that it comes from Ron, owner of the bulletin board, carries more weight that the statement is true.

    "Houston Lack of Comment Period for Cosmetic Cleaning BMPs" thread. Ron directed toward me "I reach out by inviting you golfing in San Diego." Ron never asked me golfing. When I called him on it he said that he had asked Daryl golfing and that I could come along.

    "Houston Lack of Comment Period for Cosmetic Cleaning BMPs" thread. Regarding the BMPs and that in some cases water reclaim is needed. "Robert and Delux have a great marketing program, bravo to them for helping themselves." Shameful. For Ron, the owner of National Cleaning Expo and the Pressure Washing Institute bulletin board to imply that they are doing this for personal gain is reprehensible.

    "BMPs What They are and What They are Not" thread. Ron writes "That was very offensive telling members to shut up because people are volunteering there time and should basically shut up." I never said this or anything remotely like this.

    "BMPs What They Are and What They are Not" thread. Off Duty Fireman posts "Is it just me, or does this look like a Carlos letter? The following post is from Russ Spence "Te habla espanol?" I would like to know what Russ meant by that?

    "BMPs What They are and What They are Not" thread. Off Duty Fireman posts "Robert believes that Houston is not that bad. You want someone like that writing BMPs that will affect our business?" Robert Hinderliter referred to "as someone like that"? The Off Duty Fireman has no real idea as to what Robert actually said?

    "BMPs What They are and What They are Not" thread. Ron's comment to John T. "We are not like you with a police retirement collect $100,000 for life each year." John writing an opposing view and then being questioned as to his commitment level is wrong.

    "Board and Environmental Committee to Vote on Proposed BMPs" thread. "There ya go, Mike H private message". Ron posts a 2 to 3 minute video directed 100% to me for the world to see. Anything but a private message. Beyond unprofessional.

    "PWNA Convention October 20-22, 2011 at the Hotel Preston" thread. "I have even forgiven the checking into my background on who I am." First, the PWNA did not check into Ron's background, I did. Up until now, I have not posted what I learned on a bulletin board or talked about it outside of the board of directors. I have talked to a couple of individuals who Ron had told that then contacted me. Also, Ron brought it up on a conference which included Kory and myself. Here is the real story.

    For a couple of years Ron Musgraves has told me, and others, that he does 3.5 million dollars a year cleaning sidewalks. Given his notoriety in the industry I had no reason to doubt him. I have attended classes he has taught on how to successfully grow a business through unique and successful sales programs and by effectively using the internet. On the bulletin boards and round tables, Ron portrays himself as a power washing and sales expert. For this reason, I wanted to visit Ron's operation and see what I could learn from an industry leader and someone so successful.

    In 2010 I asked Ron if I could visit his operation. He said yes. In 2010 I visited the operations of Chris Lambradines, Rich Colletti, Mike Kreisle, Michael Stuart, Paul Horsley, Doug Barrett and Eric Clark. A number of times a date was chosen and then cancelled. In early March I talked with Ron and told him I was coming to Phoenix with my wife Cindy whether he was going to be there or not. Ron and I had actually scheduled a meeting for Friday, April 15th which was to include Daryl Mirza to discuss the Houston issue. Then we had the conference call with Ron where he hung up on the board, I had a phone call from Ron immediately after the conference call where he cancelled our April 15th meeting. Like I said, I had already booked the flight and whether Ron was in Phoenix or not, I was going to go to Phoenix with my wife.

    While in Phoenix Cindy and I met with some friends for a couple of days and Cindy and I visited the Grand Canyon. I had more than enough time to at least drive by Ron's operation to see what I could. Here is what I found:
    The only link on Ron's website that works is the bulletin board link. The rest of the buttons bring you to an under construction page. Take a look for yourself at Pressure Washing Phoenix Arizona. The page is outdated looking and not what you would expect of a 3.5 million dollar company.
    From the hotel I called the toll free number on Ron's website and it was answered directly by Ron.
    Search the White Pages for Pro Power Wash and nothing comes up.
    The Better Business Bureau has no information on Pro Power Wash.
    Google Pro Power Wash and the only thing that comes up is his website. Google Roof-to-Deck and the whole first page is my company.
    Every address I could find was a P.O. Box.
    The corporate documents with the Arizona Secretary of State have a P.O. Box.
    I called AZ Power Wash Pros and talked with the owner to see if he knew where Ron's facility was and because I thought maybe Ron owned this company because the name was so similar to Pro Power Wash. The owner said he had never seen any of Ron's vehicles. I asked the owner who the largest power washing companies were and he said Acme Power Washing, Desert Eagle Power Wash and possibly AZ Power Wash Pros.
    After my conversation with AZ Power Wash Pros, the owner called Ron to tell him that I was asking about Ron's business. Ron left me a voice mail saying that he had been contacted by several people (I had only talked with one) and he was upset that I was calling his competitors to learn about his business. Ron also called me a "bonehead". Understand that I called his competitor because I wasn't finding anything on Pro Power Wash by going through steps 1 through 8 above.
    Ron gave me an address of 1040 Indian School Road and said that is where his operation is. He said to beware of the dog and to not bother his tenants and that he owned the buildings. I stopped by there 3 times at all hours of the day and found nothing but empty buildings with for rent signs in front of them. I also found through County records that the properties were not owned by Ron.
    Through The Official WhitePages - Find People for Free I found a home listed for Ronald A Musgraves, Jr. in Gilbert, AZ. Here I found 6 yellow trailers with power washers on them. There was no signage on the property or on the trailers. You can view the property using Google Earth. There you will see 6 trailers.
    I visited 13701 E Ray Road Saturday morning around 10:00 am and found 6 trailers on property. I visited again around 6:25 pm Sunday and found 6 trailers. At 6:15 am Monday morning I found 4 trailers and shortly after that 2 unmarked pick-up trucks with unmarked trailers returned and parked the trailers. At 11:30 am Monday I checked again and found 6 trailers on property. Ron's property was about 10 minutes from my hotel and I stopped by 4 times to make sure I checked frequently to have the most accurate information I could have.
    I called Acme Power Washing and the owner of that company said that he had never heard of Ron Musgraves or Pro Power Wash. Desert Eagle Power Wash always went to voice mail.
    My expectation was that I would find a professional looking operation running between 20 to 30 vehicles. In 2010 Roof-to-Deck did $3.52 million which required around 30 mini vans plus a few sales cars operating in 3 large markets. That is not what I saw. Draw your own conclusions.

    For the reasons above is why the PWNA will only be posting on The Grime Scene for the foreseeable future.

    Thank you, Mike Hilborn
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    hahaha WOW I didnt know Mike and Jim were cousins?

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