Wall Of Shame By Michael O'Connell Vetran Powerwash Kentucky

Micha was new at one time and a contractor called his work out. He low-balled a guy, even though Micha screwed up I didnt agree with the contractors who Ratted on Him.

This was also a hard feelings sistuation because he didnt get the job, sour grapes.

I hope men and women here learn from there mistakes, I do. I know better than to try to tell a manager a contractor is doing a poor job. That angle never works and will still not work.

Whoa. Wanted to clear this up. Yes, I was new at one point. But I never low balled anything and I didn't screw that job up. The customer told me what they wanted, I delivered, and made good money. After everything happened I spoke with the manager and district manager of the store. Both were very pleased with the job. They told me my price was 1/3 that of some of the other bids they got. Just because I came in with a lower price does not make me a lowballer. As far as the quality of the job, yes there was some gum left, and yes there were a few areas that could have been cleaned better if the store wanted it done. They choose not to move the product and asked me to work around it best as possible. I didn't screw up - I delivered what the customer wanted.

I did learn lessons - but I did not low ball or screw up. I made money and the customer was happy.
 
Whoa. Wanted to clear this up. Yes, I was new at one point. But I never low balled anything and I didn't screw that job up. The customer told me what they wanted, I delivered, and made good money. After everything happened I spoke with the manager and district manager of the store. Both were very pleased with the job. They told me my price was 1/3 that of some of the other bids they got. Just because I came in with a lower price does not make me a lowballer. As far as the quality of the job, yes there was some gum left, and yes there were a few areas that could have been cleaned better if the store wanted it done. They choose not to move the product and asked me to work around it best as possible. I didn't screw up - I delivered what the customer wanted.

I did learn lessons - but I did not low ball or screw up. I made money and the customer was happy.
I see lots of places done crappy an happy customers.

Low balled is a generic term you bid lower. I've low balled bids before, made actual mistakes. Wow imagine I screwed up.

You know I do lowes , if you recall I said your price was good.

Yes it's all about a learning experience.

Truthfully , you think you got a shot at the marriott ?

Do you currently service lowes?

These are the real issues.

Is any of this my business ? No

Get the point


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I see lots of places done crappy an happy customers.

Low balled is a generic term you bid lower. I've low balled bids before, made actual mistakes. Wow imagine I screwed up.

You know I do lowes , if you recall I said your price was good.

Yes it's all about a learning experience.

Truthfully , you think you got a shot at the marriott ?

Do you currently service lowes?

These are the real issues.

Is any of this my business ? No

Get the point


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Your definition of "low balling" makes everyone a low baller - since at some point everybody has given a price lower then somebody else - that's just business. Is that really what everybody considers low balling?? My definition of low balling is when a person knows how much the other bid is and simply cuts the price to get the job. In order to lowball, you have to have an idea of what the other bids are. Kinda hard to low ball when you don't know what the other bids are.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Truthfully , you think you got a shot at the marriott ?" - are they looking to have it cleaned again already?

No, I have not cleaned a Lowe's in quite a while. I haven't seen one cleaned here professionally in years.
 
Low Baller and low balled are different.

Just like ballin and Baller are not the same.

Seems everything's all or nothing.

Again no wrong or right. Just two different opinions.

You like or hate someone, I have no hate or dislike. I don't care most of the time.

People always want this to get personal, it's pressure washing.

We will all wake up in the morning, we are not brain surgeons


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I know the price all the time and cut it, that means I'm a low Baller.

So be it, I'm a Ballin most days. That makes me a baller. Why because I'm not broke.

So my definition of someone who's not a low Baller is someone who has stood the test of time an has money.

Maybe Cali wearing on me.


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It is funny to be called a lowballer.

I got called one last week, I sent two guys out to do a job for just under 6,000 (5975.00 to be exact) it took them three days. I bid it first, some local yahoo comes in at 11,375 he has a 3.5 gpm washer on a 4x8 trailer and an 18 inch surface cleaner.

Now, I dont have a problem with him charging what he charged but I dont feel I lowballed the job either. I made money plus I ended up with a contract to clean the roofs on all the same buildings in March for 12k and I have in hand a contract for the next three years to do the same buildings again.

If I am a lowballer then cool!

PS ..... The funniest thing was that he called another PW friend of mine and said "we gotta do something about Russ" haha That just pumps my old nuts up to hear those words!
 
That pic was taken in Nov 2011 at an Urban Active gym in Louisville, KY. When I stopped to take the pic, I went in and talked with the manager. Here are the facts...

1. All work was completed. Contractor had left 2 hrs before that pic was taken

2. I don't know what detergent was used; if any...

3. The stains lasted about a month before the rain washed them away.

4. I have no idea who the contractor was, or what the price was.... I did not bid on this

5. The manager was pissed

I just wanted to share this pic with you guys. I want to be VERY CLEAR that Veteran did not do this job!!! Sometimes things can get interpreted wrong on the internet.

Thanks!
 
It is funny to be called a lowballer.

I got called one last week, I sent two guys out to do a job for just under 6,000 (5975.00 to be exact) it took them three days. I bid it first, some local yahoo comes in at 11,375 he has a 3.5 gpm washer on a 4x8 trailer and an 18 inch surface cleaner.

Now, I dont have a problem with him charging what he charged but I dont feel I lowballed the job either. I made money plus I ended up with a contract to clean the roofs on all the same buildings in March for 12k and I have in hand a contract for the next three years to do the same buildings again.

If I am a lowballer then cool!

PS ..... The funniest thing was that he called another PW friend of mine and said "we gotta do something about Russ" haha That just pumps my old nuts up to hear those words!

Your a redneck not a low Baller .


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That pic was taken in Nov 2011 at an Urban Active gym in Louisville, KY. When I stopped to take the pic, I went in and talked with the manager. Here are the facts...

1. All work was completed. Contractor had left 2 hrs before that pic was taken

2. I don't know what detergent was used; if any...

3. The stains lasted about a month before the rain washed them away.

4. I have no idea who the contractor was, or what the price was.... I did not bid on this

5. The manager was pissed

I just wanted to share this pic with you guys. I want to be VERY CLEAR that Veteran did not do this job!!! Sometimes things can get interpreted wrong on the internet.

Thanks!

Thanks , good to see ya


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It would be nice of property managers or the people in charge would stop paying for shoddy, less than par quality work so that they lowballers out there would have to do better quality. This would maybe help them to understand the higher pricing for quality work and maybe start doing better quality work at a better price to start being apples to apples in bidding the jobs.
 
It would be nice of property managers or the people in charge would stop paying for shoddy, less than par quality work so that they lowballers out there would have to do better quality. This would maybe help them to understand the higher pricing for quality work and maybe start doing better quality work at a better price to start being apples to apples in bidding the jobs.

+1, Totally agree. Sometimes I can't figure out how in the world some of these guys are getting the work and getting paid for it. lol
 
Brother all I can do is believe what a man says happened. I'm not the judge of the jury for any contractor.

I just the other night caught myself taking photos of a contractor I lost a 72,000 annual gig I wanted. Never got a contract ratting on anyone, not going to start now. He will loose it because he is doing poor work, just lets hope he doesnt kill anyone in the mean time.

This brings me back to the real porblem at hand, 30 years & no standards. NONE

We wouldnt even be having this conversation that 3/4 of the forum doesnt get?

Micha was new at one time and a contractor called his work out. He low-balled a guy, even though Micha screwed up I didnt agree with the contractors who Ratted on Him.

This was also a hard feelings sistuation because he didnt get the job, sour grapes.

I hope men and women here learn from there mistakes, I do. I know better than to try to tell a manager a contractor is doing a poor job. That angle never works and will still not work.

I do take photos of Damage never blaming anyone. I do not know who damaged the place, I have no video tape. I take photos of filthy places under assumptions they have no one even if I know they do. ( in that Dishonest?) maybe you think in your world it is.

I also have never come on this BBS and named anyone in public for the piss poor jobs they have done.

I have also been witness ageist a few fellas for damage. Not that I seen them, just verified that it was caused by a pressure washer of some sort. Did I name there names or tell freinds? No

Why, because we all can have trouble. I have employees that are not perfect, we all make mistakes.

Thats the key right there lets continue to work together to set the standards and develop the correct procedures to prevent this type of damage that hurts all pressure washers.
 
It is funny to be called a lowballer.

I got called one last week, I sent two guys out to do a job for just under 6,000 (5975.00 to be exact) it took them three days. I bid it first, some local yahoo comes in at 11,375 he has a 3.5 gpm washer on a 4x8 trailer and an 18 inch surface cleaner.

Now, I dont have a problem with him charging what he charged but I dont feel I lowballed the job either. I made money plus I ended up with a contract to clean the roofs on all the same buildings in March for 12k and I have in hand a contract for the next three years to do the same buildings again.

If I am a lowballer then cool!

PS ..... The funniest thing was that he called another PW friend of mine and said "we gotta do something about Russ" haha That just pumps my old nuts up to hear those words!


I don't appreciate being called a local yahoo. I'm not even from here
 
Thats the key right there lets continue to work together to set the standards and develop the correct procedures to prevent this type of damage that hurts all pressure washers.

Your correct


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It is funny to be called a lowballer.

I got called one last week, I sent two guys out to do a job for just under 6,000 (5975.00 to be exact) it took them three days. I bid it first, some local yahoo comes in at 11,375 he has a 3.5 gpm washer on a 4x8 trailer and an 18 inch surface cleaner.

Now, I dont have a problem with him charging what he charged but I dont feel I lowballed the job either. I made money plus I ended up with a contract to clean the roofs on all the same buildings in March for 12k and I have in hand a contract for the next three years to do the same buildings again.

If I am a lowballer then cool!

PS ..... The funniest thing was that he called another PW friend of mine and said "we gotta do something about Russ" haha That just pumps my old nuts up to hear those words!

Russ, two if us routinely clean sets of coils in 4 hrs that would take an hvac company 4 days.

4 days x 2 hvac techs @ $32/hr - $2048.

If we charged that much we would be at $256/hr per man hr.

If we do it for less are we lowballers?

:confused:

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Russ, two if us routinely clean sets of coils in 4 hrs that would take an hvac company 4 days.

4 days x 2 hvac techs @ $32/hr - $2048.

If we charged that much we would be at $256/hr per man hr.

If we do it for less are we lowballers?

:confused:



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Yes!:)
 
Charlie, we shouldn't judge because we think they are done and they tell us they are, they might not be.

I think it is very sad Ron that you are jumping to conclusions on this picture because they probably weren't done with this job. How do we know they weren't done with this job??? How do we know they just didn't leave to go on vacation???? I think these questions need to be answered Ron before you go judging this picture. How do we know they weren't just off to the side of the picture working and were out of the picture????

That quote alone tells me whoever did this job has no clue what they are doing, Finished or not there is NO repairing that damage.
 
Ron, do you SERIOUSLY believe that the "hotel maintenance" washed the parking garage just before they were to have it "professionally" cleaned? I am sure you have that happen all the time....you have property managers have their handy men go out and wash your commerical properties just before you go to clean them. If you actually believe that the maintenance people cleaned it just before Pat did it, you are either very gullible or unable to face facts, or both....


That exact situation actually happened to me....

We were offered to do two breezeways in a shopping center if we could demo proof that we could actually clean them. The claim was that they had called a few contractors over the past few years, all of which declined to bid. The assumption was it could not be cleaned. We were scheduled to meet with the PM's site maint guy at 9:00 am on a weekend. We arrived a few min late (9:05) and never seen anyone there. It had rained the night before and while everything outside was dry already, the breezeways were damp and had standing water puddles. We couldn't figure this out and finally just assumed the wind had blown rain into the breezeways and they had not evaporated. Regardless, we picked a couple of small areas, took before pic's....cleaned them and then towel dried and when they were totally dry we took after pic's. We sent the pic's to the PM.

The PM was impressed but for some reason we were asked to perform another demo....a larger area and this time the main guy was to watch us actually do the cleaning. I assumed they simply wanted to school off us and mimic our process. When we showed up for the second demo and spoke with the maint guy, he told us that he had showed up at 6:00 am the day of the first demo and cleaned both breezways. He said it took him about 2 hours. These breezeways were about 250 ft long by 15 feet wide. He also stated these were cleaned monthly.

Now....ask yourself, why would anyone clean right before a professional demo?

I can only come up with two possible answers.

1) The maint guy was concerned that he would lose hours to a contractor and wanted to mitigate the contrast in the before/after images.
2) The PM wanted to see if there was a level of clean that exceeded their capabilities.

We did get the job and it is a story we repeat often enough that it is part of our marketing plan.....Most commercial work in my area is simply "power rinsed" and if we can get to the point of a demo, we win the job. When I run up against a "We have a guy already".....I ask to be allowed to demo the day after he does his scheduled cleaning. We are 100% successful when this happens.
 
That quote alone tells me whoever did this job has no clue what they are doing, Finished or not there is NO repairing that damage.

Nick, I was referencing Ron to the same words he used in the hotel Marriott Job in regards to AC saying the job was done. I was just using Ron's words with this picture as several people were jumped on for not knowing the whole story before posting.....I know nothing about this job, but I was just referencing how humorous it was that Ron started a thread on here not knowing the full story.....
 
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