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    Quote Originally Posted by offdutyfireman View Post
    + I was willing to let this go as your customers will probably find this eventually. But, if you want them to know, I will talk about roof cleaning rhetoric.Myths of Roof Cleaning1. The dark stains will increase your energy bill. 90% of roofs in the South are black shingles to begin with. Most have stains that are not visible to begin with without close inspection. Common sense dictates that a lighter clored roof with black stains will not have a higher energy cost than a solid colored black roof. Shingles do not offer much insulating quality when compared to the attic insulation and tar paper under them. If anything, a stain colored roof might absorb heat in the winter, helping with energy bills.2. The dark stains will cause health problems. The stains/mold that are on a roof are the same stains/molds that are on the bark of trees, covering the vegatative landscape and are part of natural climate induced growth. While cleaning roof will make it more pleasing in appearance, it is a fallacy to think that you are saving your health in so doing. Do you wash the North side of trees in your yard to prevent a demise in your health? Certainly a small percentage of the population are allergic to certain spores and molds. As the mold on the shingles does not permeate thru them into the house, it would stand to reason that all roofs in the neighborhood would need to be washed to allay the allergic reaction to the homeowner's outdoor daliances. Maybe I should not have mentioned that. It may become a new marketing tactic.3. Dark stains will destroy your roof. While some extreme cases may produce lichen or other actual growth, the larger percentage of homes only have black staining. The staining will not harm the roof or have negative implications towards your roof. The lichen will attach and begin to destroy the shingles and should be removed. Black stains should be cleaned for appearance issues only.My belief is that there is enough work out there to keep everyone busy. I know that a lot of customers will have their roofs cleaned because of the appearance issue. It is an easy sell in and of it's own accord without "tactics". I sleep better at night because of the way I run my business. I do not have to sleep in anyone elses bed so I don't really care how your bed sleeps. Do what you think you can live with.
    Even the darkest black roofs have reflective granules. Cover them with a dark non reflective barrier and you will get some increase in surface temp. It may not be worth mentioning, but there is truth to it. Same goes with the health issues I don't bring it up. People don't really care or think about it. If they are looking for a roof cleaner they are already sold I agree. They simply trivial bits of info that no one really cares about. If a customer asks I will tell them, otherwise I keep my mouth shut. Not lies! I don't think anyone on here posts lies. Calling some one a liar is not a very popular thing and helps no one, especially not the stone thrower.

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    [QUOTE=offdutyfireman;266811]+
    I was willing to let this go as your customers will probably find this eventually. But, if you want them to know, I will talk about roof cleaning rhetoric.

    For those wo like facts and not made up myths:

    Gloeocapsa magma by Wilkepedia

    Gloeocapsa magma by MicrobeWiki, the student-edited microbiology resource

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    Not that I much much stock in articles written by people within the industry, as the Wiki atricle was, but I do like the statement--"There is debate over the actual harmfulness of this particular bacteria to roofs, as there is little supportive scientific research".

    I am not sure if you are trying to convince me with your post or what. I believe what I believe. I am not trying to change the way you do business or what you believe.

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    Great points William! You really know your stuff!

    You tell them what is what.

    This subject is making me laugh more and more. hahahahaha

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    I certainly believe roof cleaners should be the ones to write articles about roof cleaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Great points William! You really know your stuff!

    You tell them what is what.

    This subject is making me laugh more and more. hahahahaha
    All I have heard are opinions. Back them up with proof. Then I might agree.

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    That is another good point Marcus, I want to see proof of things that people claim, especially in person.

    People can claim all kinds of things, spread all kinds of mis-information, lies, etc.... but when it is time to show proof, they start to packpeddle or disappear.

    How are things in your neck of the woods Marcus? I have heard roof cleaning is slow all over Texas since last year.

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    I have a partial roof cleaning Thursday but business was off by 2/3 in Jan 2012 vs 2011. This is the first week this year that I have had an entire weeks work. I hope it stays that way. Most of my business since last July has been almost all repeat customers. I am grateful for the following that I have.

    Business slowed after Obama raised the debt ceiling in July 2011. When congress failed to be decisive and bond ratings were lowered my business line went dead.

    Have you noticed anything similar? How is business in your area Chris?

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    Marcus,
    How are you advertising? If you are not busy maybe do more advertising?
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    My roof cleaning has doubled. Went from one every two months to two. Must be the scare tactics are working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    I have a partial roof cleaning Thursday but business was off by 2/3 in Jan 2012 vs 2011. This is the first week this year that I have had an entire weeks work. I hope it stays that way. Most of my business since last July has been almost all repeat customers. I am grateful for the following that I have.Business slowed after Obama raised the debt ceiling in July 2011. When congress failed to be decisive and bond ratings were lowered my business line went dead.Have you noticed anything similar? How is business in your area Chris?
    Hey Marcus, I like your signature. You must like seeing your face as much as I like mine. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by outdoorprowash View Post
    Hey Marcus, I like your signature. You must like seeing your face as much as I like mine. :-)
    No, I just do not like to hide behind an aviator as most folks like to. I have had several customers tell me "they recognized me from my pic on the internet from some forum" and liked me because I was professional looking and not some newbie kid. Image means a lot to customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by innovativewash View Post
    Marcus,
    How are you advertising? If you are not busy maybe do more advertising?
    Advertising is not the problem. Doing plenty of that. I have been very busy working on SEO. It never stops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    Advertising is not the problem. Doing plenty of that. I have been very busy working on SEO. It never stops!
    You're doing good at it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Great points William! You really know your stuff!

    You tell them what is what.

    This subject is making me laugh more and more. hahahahaha
    It's not that he knows his stuff, it's just HIS opinion. If I believe the opposite of what he believes, doesn't make me any more right or wrong than him.. It's just his or mine opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by offdutyfireman View Post
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    I was willing to let this go as your customers will probably find this eventually. But, if you want them to know, I will talk about roof cleaning rhetoric.

    Myths of Roof Cleaning

    1. The dark stains will increase your energy bill. 90% of roofs in the South are black shingles to begin with. Most have stains that are not visible to begin with without close inspection. Common sense dictates that a lighter clored roof with black stains will not have a higher energy cost than a solid colored black roof. Shingles do not offer much insulating quality when compared to the attic insulation and tar paper under them. If anything, a stain colored roof might absorb heat in the winter, helping with energy bills.

    2. The dark stains will cause health problems. The stains/mold that are on a roof are the same stains/molds that are on the bark of trees, covering the vegatative landscape and are part of natural climate induced growth. While cleaning roof will make it more pleasing in appearance, it is a fallacy to think that you are saving your health in so doing. Do you wash the North side of trees in your yard to prevent a demise in your health? Certainly a small percentage of the population are allergic to certain spores and molds. As the mold on the shingles does not permeate thru them into the house, it would stand to reason that all roofs in the neighborhood would need to be washed to allay the allergic reaction to the homeowner's outdoor daliances. Maybe I should not have mentioned that. It may become a new marketing tactic.

    3. Dark stains will destroy your roof. While some extreme cases may produce lichen or other actual growth, the larger percentage of homes only have black staining. The staining will not harm the roof or have negative implications towards your roof. The lichen will attach and begin to destroy the shingles and should be removed. Black stains should be cleaned for appearance issues only.



    My belief is that there is enough work out there to keep everyone busy. I know that a lot of customers will have their roofs cleaned because of the appearance issue. It is an easy sell in and of it's own accord without "tactics". I sleep better at night because of the way I run my business. I do not have to sleep in anyone elses bed so I don't really care how your bed sleeps. Do what you think you can live with.
    William, all of this is just, YOUR opinion. CORRECT. I mean this has no more scientific proof than the good Doctors article, it's just another persons, in this case, Yours, opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outdoorprowash View Post
    I certainly believe roof cleaners should be the ones to write articles about roof cleaning.
    OH GOD, please NO NO NO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Rucker View Post
    It's not that he knows his stuff, it's just HIS opinion. If I believe the opposite of what he believes, doesn't make me any more right or wrong than him.. It's just his or mine opinion.
    Amen and we all respect opinions here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by innovativewash View Post
    Amen and we all respect opinions here.
    Yes.......
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    Please tell me that you guys really don't think that some black streaks growing on shingles is going to affect peoples electric bills do you? If that was the case I don't think the shingle companies would even be offering dark colored shingles at all. Not to mention every major environmental group would be pushing that people should only build homes with white shingles.

    As far as the mold on the outside of peoples homes making them sick I just can't see that happening either, it is just simple too much of an open area. Now if you have that mold growing inside it would be a different story. Outside contaminates on your home are nothing compared to whats on the trees around, the grass, the concrete, just everywhere.

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