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    Panel Brite vs. pro-White vs. dnb1430?

    I'm fairly new to fleet washing and I use a caustic degreaser that the supplier values as the best soap ever. However it's burning up all the aluminum and streaking the front windshields. Need help, so I won't mess up my client's vehicles

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    Are you using it too strong? Minimum dilution on Panel Bright is 1:25. I don't know the recommended dilution on the other products you mention. You're not letting the soap dry on the glass, are you?

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    Go with a smart soap not one design with paint strippers as there base.Some people selling this stuff have no idea about the chemistry behind a good cleaning product they just rebadge it and sent it out.They coulnt mix a batch a soap if they had to.
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    First add your signature, house rules for everyone here.

    Second, sounds like you are not rinsing enough or waiting too long and the soap is drying on the glass.

    Sounds like maybe you are using the panel brite too strong or not metering it correctly.

    Fill out the signature......then tell us your application system and tell us how you wash, it could be simple mistakes or something else that maybe you are not seeing.

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    The supplier buys raw products from a distributor and mixes it in house. The problem is that in my area degreasers are mainly used for the oilfield applications. My understanding is this stuff (BLAST) is similar to angry orange a super mean degreaser. I have tried all of he soaps to no really good results ie I end up brushing them all.

    His recommended concoction ratio is 7:1.

    As recommended by him, knock the mud off the trucks first then apply a coat of blast (one step) bottom up format, let dwell for about 2-3 min. Clean with pressure(3500psi@6gpm-hot). See it does good for white vehicles. But anything with color never gets cleaned right. I have to brush them.

    Thank you Russ, Hal and Chris for your input
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    It is obvious you need to be buying from someone else.

    It is obvious that degreasers are not the best soaps for washing trucks as you have found out the hard way.

    There is a lot of garbage out there that you have to wade through to get to the good stuff most of the time.

    I usually tell the vendors to send me a 5 gallon pail sample (I will pay for shipping) and if the product is good I will buy it and they have a new customer, if they hesitate or start rambling off every excuse known to man why they cannot do this, that should be an indicator that they don't have confidence in their product and I would not waste anymore time with them.

    A pint, quart or gallon sample is not enough to fill my chemical hoses let alone wash some equipment to see how a product works so when they offer small samples like that, they have never been out in the field washing so they have no clue of what goes on, how much soap is needed to wash equipment and they probably have an inferior product most of the time.

    I really hate it when chemical salesmen call me and waste my time because they have never washed anything but they know that their product is a great product and then the river of B.S. starts flooding when they start talking about ratios and how far it will go when washing trucks. I have heard that line of B.S. from so many salespeople and a few vendors that I stop them right there and tell them that they are full of it (Bull Shi*!) as they have no clue of what works out there and they have no clue of real ratios, they probably made up the ratios in their heads since they have never washed anything so they can tell you exactly where you need to be for the product to work.

    Sounds like the company you buy from is in this category above and honestly, his degreasers are probably inferior also when put up against something that works, even out in the oil field there are better degreasers that probably don't cost as much and are better than what your guy sells. You have to quit listening to these salesmen and talk to other people out there, one guy in your area is not necessarily the "expert" that people think he is, want him to be or wishes he was, he is just a guy in your area that sells chemicals just like you could if you bought formulas and started packaging them or re-selling them and now BOOM! now you are a chemical guru also like he is. This is what happens all around the country a lot of times.

    Don't get me wrong, there are some great vendors and some of them post on the bbs's because not all chemical salesmen are bad, most are though and have worthless, watered-down crap that just does not work, especially those that sell the "all in one cleaners" that claim to clean just about everything but in reality don't really clean anything at all and the only thing it is good for is aggravating you and wasting your time until you find a drain to dump it down and be done with it (got some of those also in the past but will not waste my time with them again).

    Good luck.

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    Premuim when you fleet wash you need a good understanding on what you are washing to meet your chemical needs.You are the number one in this not the bs sales people.I think you need a good acid and a good soap.The degreasing is used for just that.When you wash trucks with color you better not be using a degreaser on them.They will fade over time maybe not the first time but they will.Using a brush is something you will have to do from time to time,just not everytime.This stuff you are using sounds like it has a touch of dilmoline in it.Thats not really a good base for a truck wash because in its raw form it drys out plastic.Good luck with this.If you can pick this guys brain maybe you can come to terms with what you need.Did you buy buy the drum or 5 gallons at a time?
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    Mr premium, maybe its time to change suppliers, but look no further becuse Russ sells fleet washing supplies. So does Paul Kassander. those are two people that will NOT steer you wrong. I have bought from both of them and will continue to do so.
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    I buy everything from Paul. I use a brush a few times per month. Soaps are great in powders so YOU can determine the strength. Also a great acid is key and your white trucks probably aren't clean but cleaner than they were.
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    I don't know if this will help you but if you go into Forum and go down to Fleet Washing 240 and look for the thread titled Fleet Washing-Chemicals? you will find info from John Allison from Enviro-Spec talking about a step by step procedure for washing trucks. If his info or procedures are incorrect will someone let me know? And what about their chems.? Do they work good? Still doing alot of research to decide what my next step will be. Thinking about setting up to do Fleet Wash! That post is almost 4 yrs old so maybe procedure has changed.

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    2 step procedure is still the same. It is pretty basic chemistry. Does a great job of getting the whole truck, wheels and tanks cleaned. Sometimes the bugs are stubborn but that's what the hot water is for.
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    or just go to fleetwashacademy.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGilliam View Post
    or just go to fleetwashacademy.com
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    Fleetwash academy has great info and great group of guys to learn from.Some guy named Blaine is over there i heard he knows quite alot about fleet washing.If the bugs are stubborn you must be using a dumb soap.One that is soduim hydroxide based or pottasuim hydroxide based.The good stuff will have bug juice running down the truck when you spray it on.
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