3x faster?

What makes that 3x faster?? The color j/k If there going to say it's the swivel, the only thing I can add to that is I have that exact swivel I bought a few months back and it's pretty good but no different then the other swivels in that class.. No faster either.
 
Is there magic elves underneath? It says 'finely tuned' - I have always found surface cleaners need to be tuned to fit your work. I always tilt the nozzles more to make it spin faster, use 40 deg tips and run 10 gpm through 4 bars - FAST
 
I requested information on the "Pronto" several months back and this was the response I received.

The Pronto is an modified version of our most popular 19" inch unit the Classic. The Pronto uses a newly patented spray bar design and a few other improvements. It works very well, it allows the work to be done faster with great results. The changes to the bar have helped eliminate the striping that sometimes occurs when going to fast by changing the style and pattern of the water delivery. The units sells for $925 and is really just now becoming available. The ratings of the pressure washer used to drive the unit is very important in setting up the spray bar properly.
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I believe it's focused around the spray bar. "Brad" appears to be a Patent holder of some sort.

 
I'm impressed with the speed in these videos. That's clearly faster than I'm able to clean with 5.5 at 3500 and my 20Inch hammerhead. I also would like to know exactly how the spray bar has been modified to achieve this.
 
Nigel. I think that video there is to show how well the vac works not the cleaning speed, right? I have used that setup and could not move near that fast. BTW, I liked that youtube video you did about the 30" mosmatic. Lots of great information.
810f250 said:
In the video above the sc is fast, also in Jerry's video (forget the vacuum), its still fast

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It really depends on the situation.

If it has a lot of embedded dirt, sometimes you need more psi, gpm's or pre-treating with chemicals, use hot water or you might have to just walk slower or a combination of these to get the desired results. Each cleaning situation is different but typically on residential concrete you don't need hot water or a lot of chemicals, just more gpm's to run the larger surface cleaners so you can finish faster.

You can get the job done with just about any size surface cleaner and pressure washer but in time you want to get the job done faster so you would want the bigger surface cleaners but for those you need more gpm's thus larger pumps on your pressure washers or by combining flow from multiple machines, either way will get you there.

There are some very interesting advancements made in the past couple years and even more coming soon to make our lives easier, more productive and environmentally compliant........all without spending a fortune on non-needed, over-priced equipment that will do the job the same as the equipment that is coming or what is here right now once you know what is needed for the job, still without spending a lot of money once you know the cleaning situation.
 
Simply Glass said:
Nigel. I think that video there is to show how well the vac works not the cleaning speed, right? I have used that setup and could not move near that fast. BTW, I liked that youtube video you did about the 30" mosmatic. Lots of great information.
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Thanks, hope the video was helpful.

The Jerry's video shows, Jerry's trademark "workspeed", with respect to both vacuum and cleaning (no stripes)
 
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Thanks Laurel. So what do you think is the fastest (Walking speed)surface cleaning out now? I have a 24" steel eagle and it works well as long as you granny walk it. Im running an 8gpm at 3000psi. Thanks!
810f250 said:
Thanks, hope the video was helpful.

The Jerry's video shows, Jerry's trademark "workspeed", with respect to both vacuum and cleaning (no stripes)
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Simply Glass said:
Thanks Laurel. So what do you think is the fastest (Walking speed)surface cleaning out now? I have a 24" steel eagle and it works well as long as you granny walk it. Im running an 8gpm at 3000psi. Thanks!
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You should be able to walk faster than that running 8gpm and 3000psi.

Have you checked the pressure at the pump and at the end of the hose?

What size hose are you running? 3/8"? 1/2"?

How long of hose? 100'? 200'?

Do you have the adjustable individual spray bars or is it a welded piece that threads onto the spray bar? If you have the individual adjustable spray bars, they might need to be adjusted using the plastic card.

With 8gpm, I would use 1/2" hose for cleaning concrete and 3/8" hose for house washing. House washing you are lowering your pressure anyway to downstream and rinse but for cleaning concrete I would use the 1/2" hose so you get more pressure to the nozzles.
 
tomtucson said:
Is there magic elves underneath? It says 'finely tuned' - I have always found surface cleaners need to be tuned to fit your work. I always tilt the nozzles more to make it spin faster, use 40 deg tips and run 10 gpm through 4 bars - FAST
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HAHAHA!

That was awesome. We tilt the nozzles and use a 3rd arm instead of just 2. They Scream after you tilt the nozzle and add the extra arm!
 
Christopher said:
It really depends on the situation.

If it has a lot of embedded dirt, sometimes you need more psi, gpm's or pre-treating with chemicals, use hot water or you might have to just walk slower or a combination of these to get the desired results. Each cleaning situation is different but typically on residential concrete you don't need hot water or a lot of chemicals, just more gpm's to run the larger surface cleaners so you can finish faster.

You can get the job done with just about any size surface cleaner and pressure washer but in time you want to get the job done faster so you would want the bigger surface cleaners but for those you need more gpm's thus larger pumps on your pressure washers or by combining flow from multiple machines, either way will get you there.

There are some very interesting advancements made in the past couple years and even more coming soon to make our lives easier, more productive and environmentally compliant........all without spending a fortune on non-needed, over-priced equipment that will do the job the same as the equipment that is coming or what is here right now once you know what is needed for the job, still without spending a lot of money once you know the cleaning situation.
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Yes that's it.
 
"Red" said:
I requested information on the "Pronto" several months back and this was the response I received.



I believe it's focused around the spray bar. "Brad" appears to be a Patent holder of some sort.

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I wonder what's special about that spray bar? I have surface machines that have 2,3 & 4 bars underneath them and besides the ones that are belt driven there is no major difference in the Cleanings except when there sized up with different size Powerwashers.

For example-- if we use the Hydrotek 39" surface machine which has the 3 bar welded setup, it works fast with the 10.5 GPM 3500 Hot water PW & almost as fast with the 8.5 GPM @3600 Hot water machines.

What Whisper wash did there to cause that small surface machine to cost $$$ and it's the bars because that swivel alone will run you @ least $250 it makes me wonder if they put any type of metal fan on those bars. Besides that I can't think what would make it work so much better without of course counting the size of the PW pump your using but that is on you.
 
You guys know I did the BE whirl-a-away vs mosmatic comparison video,

some of the things to be careful of on that generation of the BE swivel in my video (I am not certain if BE design has changed today, I only have my original purchase) is over applying grease to the swivel, to much and incorrect type of lube kills rpm (I think this maybe the same of the 927, I just got one , need to experiment ).
The BE leaks on the underside, and I have noticed from time to time on a whim it would leak (off and on randomly during use, I really feel it has something to do with gpm and seal design, it maybe better rated at around 6 gpm vs 8 gpm), you cant see the leaks because its on the underside and the pressure drops off.

Mosmatic can be over greased also, although it does not have a grease nipple , over greasing kills rpm too (mosmatic says service at 150 hrs)

I think both swivels have break in periods, to obtain max rpm.

psi behind the gpm is what gets the rpm up on an SC, so that means a couple things: high head pressure as possible, the least hose lengths, and suitable hose size based on gpm.

I really dont think the 1/4" hose between the gun and the DYC kills a measurable amount of pressure, mosmatic has a better trigger gun.

Supply the max rating to a swivel it would spin fast, the only thing to increase rpm on the stock "W" style arms in SC units is to get the "S" style arms like in the Steel Eagle (they are an option for the mosmatic), then you can cheat the stock welded position angle of 15 deg and bump the rpm.
 
Nigel, I dont think it's entirely the 1/4" hose on the Mosmatic that kills rpm - it's the 1/8" bar & nozzles I think that contribute to it as well. I did a side by side with my 21" Mosmatic and 20" BE and there was a slight difference.
 
810f250 said:
You guys know I did the BE whirl-a-away vs mosmatic comparison video,

some of the things to be careful of on that generation of the BE swivel in my video (I am not certain if BE design has changed today, I only have my original purchase) is over applying grease to the swivel, to much and incorrect type of lube kills rpm (I think this maybe the same of the 927, I just got one , need to experiment ).
The BE leaks on the underside, and I have noticed from time to time on a whim it would leak (off and on randomly during use, I really feel it has something to do with gpm and seal design, it maybe better rated at around 6 gpm vs 8 gpm), you cant see the leaks because its on the underside and the pressure drops off.

Mosmatic can be over greased also, although it does not have a grease nipple , over greasing kills rpm too (mosmatic says service at 150 hrs)

I think both swivels have break in periods, to obtain max rpm.

psi behind the gpm is what gets the rpm up on an SC, so that means a couple things: high head pressure as possible, the least hose lengths, and suitable hose size based on gpm.

I really dont think the 1/4" hose between the gun and the DYC kills a measurable amount of pressure, mosmatic has a better trigger gun.

Supply the max rating to a swivel it would spin fast, the only thing to increase rpm on the stock "W" style arms in SC units is to get the "S" style arms like in the Steel Eagle (they are an option for the mosmatic), then you can cheat the stock welded position angle of 15 deg and bump the rpm.
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Great post Nigel. What are your thoughts on having a filter right before the swivel? Does it cut down on flow or psi too much to justify it?
 
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