Enough of the fighting

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Alright I’m sorry, but it’s time that I step up and say something. This I fully believe will improve this site 10 fold. Now I’m not going to get in detail about this, but the biggest problem I have with this site and why you haven’t seen much activity from me is the auguring on here is absolutely childish. I’m here seeking PROFESSIONALS to get PROFESSIONAL opinions. Not to hear two grown ass men bicker like little school kids.


I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion and each of us has a unique way of doing things. Doesn’t mean one is wrong and the other is right. It’s what makes us unique. At least have the respect for this industry not to fight with each-other in a public forum. We are all here to learn from each-other. If there’s going to be some argument there are private places to take that to, like the phone or email.

Hopefully I didn’t ruffle any feathers, and if I did I apologize, but I felt it needed to be said.
 
Alright I’m sorry, but it’s time that I step up and say something. This I fully believe will improve this site 10 fold. Now I’m not going to get in detail about this, but the biggest problem I have with this site and why you haven’t seen much activity from me is the auguring on here is absolutely childish. I’m here seeking PROFESSIONALS to get PROFESSIONAL opinions. Not to hear two grown ass men bicker like little school kids.


I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion and each of us has a unique way of doing things. Doesn’t mean one is wrong and the other is right. It’s what makes us unique. At least have the respect for this industry not to fight with each-other in a public forum. We are all here to learn from each-other. If there’s going to be some argument there are private places to take that to, like the phone or email.

Hopefully I didn’t ruffle any feathers, and if I did I apologize, but I felt it needed to be said.

Just give it a few days until everyone see's this post Kristopher. You surely will ruffle some feathers lol.
 
Perhaps you would prefer a forum where everyone pats each other on the back and no one is held accountable for their actions that are detrimental to others.

Pm me and I can provide you with a list of such sites.

Or, if you value the income this industry provides for you and your family, (especially being from Redlands) perhaps you could take some time and read the posts and discover the "fighting" you are referring to is actually "working" towards keeping your ability to provide for your family intact.

35 posts is hardly enough interaction to be able to come out with an informed position about anything on here.

Maybe a question or two to get started would be more appropriate than telling mods on here with a combined 50k plus in posts how it should be done.

If you would like to get involved or if you have any questions regarding anything on here ask away.

Thank you.



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You know that you’re one of those that do a lot of that bickering and fighting on this site more than others on here, Mr. Shelton. And in my 35 post I was able to see how much childish activity some (not all some) do on here. Oh and I don’t believe anywhere in my post did I say to the mods what they should do or not do. In fact, I would say the mods here are doing a fantastic job, and the information here is quite valuable. However sometimes those valuable assets are drowned by the in-fighting. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect everyone to agree with one another or pat each other on the back, but a little maturity would not be a bad idea.


But aside from that I’ve seen this little method from you numerous times on this site, and though I could put aside my dignity and sink to your level, you won’t get that satisfaction from me. So you have a nice day, good luck up there in Las Vegas.
 
Thanks for your input Kristopher....if this site is going to grow with "new members"..people like yourself with 36 posts has to feel welcome ......math is simple...if they are lot of members on here like yourself with under 50 posts if they don't post, will this site grow?
Just Curious....do you feel like you would likely post again?
 
I vote that we all meet somewhere for a group hug.
 
You know that you’re one of those that do a lot of that bickering and fighting on this site more than others on here, Mr. Shelton. And in my 35 post I was able to see how much childish activity some (not all some) do on here. Oh and I don’t believe anywhere in my post did I say to the mods what they should do or not do. In fact, I would say the mods here are doing a fantastic job, and the information here is quite valuable. However sometimes those valuable assets are drowned by the in-fighting. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect everyone to agree with one another or pat each other on the back, but a little maturity would not be a bad idea.


But aside from that I’ve seen this little method from you numerous times on this site, and though I could put aside my dignity and sink to your level, you won’t get that satisfaction from me. So you have a nice day, good luck up there in Las Vegas.

Where was all your board activity in the three years you were on here before I showed up? Who did you blame for your non-participation then?

35 posts since 2005.

Your frequent and well researched input will be sorely missed. While others were putting forth the effort to host about six roundtables within 3 hrs drive of you during that time you took the initiative to contribute with 35 posts. And now you, and Al, are here to tell us we are doing it all wrong.

Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to straighten us out.

By the way, we were in your area just a few weeks ago. There were 5 of us powerwashers in the car. We got gas at a station where a powerwashing company was cleaning the gas station building only with an extension pole and cold water. They were reclaiming this water. We stopped to talk with them.

There were three guys dressed up in day glo yellow and hardhats. I introduced myself and asked them why they would reclaim cold water from a building wash with no chems, surely the reclaim must be for the pads they were going to clean later.

They explained to me that the reclaim was "required" and that not reclaiming the contaminated water would be irresponsible.

I also asked them why there was one guy washing and two guys standing around watching. The one guy said they are required to have one ground man and one supervisor anytime they do above ground work. I told them, " You aren't even using a ladder" They told me, it doesn't matter, a building wash is above ground and they have to follow the rules.

Welcome to your future if guys like me give up.



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Hey Kris, we all would love to live in the fantasy land where everyone is happy and we can go along and run our business without interruption. That's all fine and good until drought comes along and car washes, industry and other business are fine but Power washing gets shuts down. Happens every summer.

Or maybe regulations are implemented and you are being told you have to reclaim water from HOUSEWASHING and DECK CLEANING. Read about what happened in Charlotte NC.

Or maybe one day you are out doing your little pressuring washing and police come along and arrest you because "we have to arrest all pressure washers and let the judge sort it out later". Read about what happened in Houston TX.

Or maybe you are helping your church do a volunteer car wash to raise money (do you go to church Kris?). And maybe while trying to help send susie to summer camp you have to have 30k in equipment to reclaim all the car wash water. Because hey like it or not "Change is coming!" Read about that happening in Georgia.

Or maybe a buddy of your owns a restaurant or store and he wants to wash all the bird sh** in front of the door with a hose. Ooops, can't do that you get fined $2,000. Read about that happening in Corpus Christi TX.

Those are only a few examples. But rest assured, when they hit YOUR AREA, and YOUR WALLET, and YOUR LIVLIHOOD, maybe then you'll be begging for the "childish" and "bickering" fighters we have on this board.
 
I'm a newish member here also Kristopher. I understand what your saying regarding the bickering. I see it as typical internet forum kind of stuff. It's your choice to click on the thread. I get a kick reading them myself. I form my own opinion and move on. I find it kind of refreshing at times seeing grown men get upset with each other haha, as long as I stay clear from it and not give my opinion I'm ok with it. Just my opinion (this time).
 
Kris, I'm sure there are a lot of folks here that feel the same way as you do, and you have every right to voice your displeasure....And I say "Have At It"

There are also folks here that know & understand the underlying forces to which the argument stems from, a history that not many are aware of. They have as much of a right to voice their displeasure about this situation as you do.

You see finger pointing, name calling, and personal attacks and call it "Unprofessional" OK lets go with that..........What do you call how our Industry is viewed by Fed, State, & Local Regulators these last 15-20+ years? With No input from, or advocate of the Industry or Contractors themselves!

You might want to understand what all the "Fighting" is about first.............or not, the choice is yours.
 
Kris , did you know Doug got fined in Houston for pressure washing a job he can now pressure wash with no issues. ( Because we went and educated them)

Robert Said Houston Had no problem , as he listen to the enforcement say will just site anyone using a pressure washers as a criminal and let the Judge Sort it out.

So Kris how would you handle this problem?
 
I'm a newish member here also Kristopher. I understand what your saying regarding the bickering. I see it as typical internet forum kind of stuff. It's your choice to click on the thread. I get a kick reading them myself. I form my own opinion and move on. I find it kind of refreshing at times seeing grown men get upset with each other haha, as long as I stay clear from it and not give my opinion I'm ok with it. Just my opinion (this time).

I'm with you on this one Gerald. I do the exact same thing.
 
You know that you’re one of those that do a lot of that bickering and fighting on this site more than others on here, Mr. Shelton. And in my 35 post I was able to see how much childish activity some (not all some) do on here. Oh and I don’t believe anywhere in my post did I say to the mods what they should do or not do. In fact, I would say the mods here are doing a fantastic job, and the information here is quite valuable. However sometimes those valuable assets are drowned by the in-fighting. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect everyone to agree with one another or pat each other on the back, but a little maturity would not be a bad idea.


But aside from that I’ve seen this little method from you numerous times on this site, and though I could put aside my dignity and sink to your level, you won’t get that satisfaction from me. So you have a nice day, good luck up there in Las Vegas.

My bad, I looked at your profile on Tapatalk and thought it said you joined on 12NOV05, but it is 05NOV12.

That explains a lot.

You are just unaware of what has been going on here for the past 5+ years with Jim and the past 20 with Robert.

This isn't about agreeing on the best pump to wash a house or the best brand of surface cleaner tips to use. We are facing drastic restrictions to our ability to make a living doing this line of work if we don't act soon.

I use humor and sarcasm to try to keep the conversation light at times and sometimes I come across strong.

Your stepping in here at this point and throwing accusations around is like walking up on a rape just when the woman gets the upper hand and belting her with a bat because you saw her on top of the rapist.

Stick around, look through some older threads and learn something.

When you get in trouble with the local authorities and can't wash anymore some of these "bickerers and fighters" will come to your city and help you get back to washing again. And we won't even ask you to stoop to our level. lol.
 
Kristopher, Imagine if you will, walking into a very large meeting room in your local community with many of your neighbors, friends, co workers, family etc to discuss topics that either have or can adversely affect how you live your life in your own community. This meeting room is organized in a way where several meetings are going on, each meeting with a sign indicating to you what each meeting topic is about. There is no time limit on the meeting, the meeting will not be over till EVERYONE has had their say. Even after one seems like it is over you can come back days and years later and add something, and also get caught up on what anyone else has said. You can pick and choose which meetings you want to attend as well as your level of involvement. You are free to roam and pop in on any meeting that you choose, and the way the meetings are set up, you will not miss a single word, whether you were there or not. If you like the meeting and have something to share, you are free to do that, the only rule is that you can not attack someone on a personal level. If you do, you will be warned not to do it again. If you can not keep from doing it again, you may be asked to leave, but the people that manage the meeting are strongly encouraged to allow people to speak their mind on the ISSUES of the subject of each meeting. When and if a meeting seems to get out of hand, then one of these managers will stand up and make a public announcement or may pull you aside privately and discuss with you how some of your comments may be out of line. But in any case, great leniency is given so that EVERYONE, no matter their status is given an opportunity to speak their mind. Agreeing with individual speakers is not a requirement nor is it even encouraged. The great thing about how this meeting is set up is that you can pick and choose which meetings and subjects that you want to hear and or participate in, as well as pop back in on any meeting that was held in years past, replay everything that was said, and comment if you choose. If there was a meeting that you attended and you did not like the way it was presented, some of the commentators, OR some of the Comments, you never have to return to that meeting again.

The above is what PWI is all about.


Now, imagine this, As you walk into that room, you are handed a piece of paper that has a list of rules of what you can say and what you cannot say, who you can say something about, and people that you can not say anything about. Topics and subjects that you can and can not discuss are on the list as well. People that are supporters of the meeting, the ones that donated the money to hold the meeting, are off limits. NO ONE can say anything negatively about them in any way, whether what they say is true or false, you must not disagree with them and in fact it is preferred that you say nothing but nice things about them, if your opinion does not align with there's, then you will be removed from the meeting and never allowed back in with no warning whatsoever. (You may or may or not even realize what you said, AND what you said may be 100% truthful, BUT because it offended someone, you get removed, never to be seen again.) You are constantly looking at your piece of paper with rules on it to see if what you are about to say is allowed, and just then your given another list of rules, and now your so confused your not sure what you can say or not say. The only thing that is in common with the meeting above is that you can pick and choose what meetings to attend and participate in.

The above are what some other BBS are about.

Here is the most important thing to remember: The most important thing to remember is never take anything that someone else says about you, whether positive or negative to serious. If someone criticizes you, find the truth in it, if there is any, deal with it, and throw the rest out.

Second thing is, don’t confuse disagreement with drama. Remember, if we all agreed on everything, we’d only need one of us. There are certain subjects that will be brought up that cause passionate debate, disagreement, and conversation. We all have a choice to participate or not, simply by choosing to click or not click.
 
Kristopher, Imagine if you will, walking into a very large meeting room in your local community with many of your neighbors, friends, co workers, family etc to discuss topics that either have or can adversely affect how you live your life in your own community. This meeting room is organized in a way where several meetings are going on, each meeting with a sign indicating to you what each meeting topic is about. There is no time limit on the meeting, the meeting will not be over till EVERYONE has had their say. Even after one seems like it is over you can come back days and years later and add something, and also get caught up on what anyone else has said. You can pick and choose which meetings you want to attend as well as your level of involvement. You are free to roam and pop in on any meeting that you choose, and the way the meetings are set up, you will not miss a single word, whether you were there or not. If you like the meeting and have something to share, you are free to do that, the only rule is that you can not attack someone on a personal level. If you do, you will be warned not to do it again. If you can not keep from doing it again, you may be asked to leave, but the people that manage the meeting are strongly encouraged to allow people to speak their mind on the ISSUES of the subject of each meeting. When and if a meeting seems to get out of hand, then one of these managers will stand up and make a public announcement or may pull you aside privately and discuss with you how some of your comments may be out of line. But in any case, great leniency is given so that EVERYONE, no matter their status is given an opportunity to speak their mind. Agreeing with individual speakers is not a requirement nor is it even encouraged. The great thing about how this meeting is set up is that you can pick and choose which meetings and subjects that you want to hear and or participate in, as well as pop back in on any meeting that was held in years past, replay everything that was said, and comment if you choose. If there was a meeting that you attended and you did not like the way it was presented, some of the commentators, OR some of the Comments, you never have to return to that meeting again.

The above is what PWI is all about.


Now, imagine this, As you walk into that room, you are handed a piece of paper that has a list of rules of what you can say and what you cannot say, who you can say something about, and people that you can not say anything about. Topics and subjects that you can and can not discuss are on the list as well. People that are supporters of the meeting, the ones that donated the money to hold the meeting, are off limits. NO ONE can say anything negatively about them in any way, whether what they say is true or false, you must not disagree with them and in fact it is preferred that you say nothing but nice things about them, if your opinion does not align with there's, then you will be removed from the meeting and never allowed back in with no warning whatsoever. (You may or may or not even realize what you said, AND what you said may be 100% truthful, BUT because it offended someone, you get removed, never to be seen again.) You are constantly looking at your piece of paper with rules on it to see if what you are about to say is allowed, and just then your given another list of rules, and now your so confused your not sure what you can say or not say. The only thing that is in common with the meeting above is that you can pick and choose what meetings to attend and participate in.

The above are what some other BBS are about.

Here is the most important thing to remember: The most important thing to remember is never take anything that someone else says about you, whether positive or negative to serious. If someone criticizes you, find the truth in it, if there is any, deal with it, and throw the rest out.

Second thing is, don’t confuse disagreement with drama. Remember, if we all agreed on everything, we’d only need one of us. There are certain subjects that will be brought up that cause passionate debate, disagreement, and conversation. We all have a choice to participate or not, simply by choosing to click or not click.

Excellent Doug!
 
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