PWI members, what say ye? What do you guys desire of us in the UAMCC?

What do you guys desire of us in the UAMCC?

  • Do you want us to leave it alone and let Robert handle it?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    31
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Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
The poll above is multiple choice. You may choose more than one.

This is a public poll to make sure the results aren't stacked with a bunch of fake users.




After two weeks, hundreds of posts and 16000 views it is apparent that Robert and the PWNA are again unfazed by any dissatisfaction in his BMP's and the manner he is presenting them to regulators.

I've asked him over and over again WHY he added the previously unheard of "hot water is the same as so@p" and he has given me no answer other than a few instances where 110 degree water isn't supposed to go into the storm drain, based on the old fact that factories used to dump millions of gallons of elevated temp water directly into lakes and streams.

I've asked him twice now if there is anything he would change on the BMP's or the Presentation of his bmps (presenting us as polluters) and again he has failed to provide a written answer, leaving us to the obvious answer that is "there is nothing that needs to change".

Regardless of what his motives are (I suppose they could be as pure as the driven snow), we need to make some decisions here.

What do we want to do at this point? Robert keeps bringing up the fact that we shouldn't try to build a new foundation.

Well, gentlemen, if we had an oak tree and wanted an apple tree, we could pin apples to it till we are blue in the face and they would all fall off and rot because the foundation of that tree is an oak. The only way to get an apple tree is to get rid of the oak and plant an apple tree.

Is that what we need to do?

The PWNA is going to keep their course. They've made it clear by their silence that they are behind Robert 100%.

What do you guys desire of us in the UAMCC?

Do you want us to start rebuilding the reputation of our industry from scratch?

Do you want us to move forward and actively approach the regulators as Robert has been doing or

Do you want us to sit back, prepare our defense and only approach in areas where and when we are needed?

Or do you want us to try to build on Robert's foundation?

Or do you want us to leave it alone and let Robert handle it?
 
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Boy I am glad it was multiple choice,

1, start rebuilding

2, move forward

3, prepare a defense

It is time to take control.
 
I say start from scratch by preparing a defense for when it becomes needed.

My guess is because this org cannot escape Roberts shadow and there not accepting what he's meant to this org. Which was everything because he created it for all-- your point Tony E. will be the direction taken no matter how hard a few of us want us all to compromise and work it out and then work it together for when it really matters.

All I can say once we give up in here and finally walk away from this thread unless a compromise is met... Then all efforts will be futile for this industry to be taken serious enough..
 
My guess is because this org cannot escape Roberts shadow and there not accepting what he's meant to this org. Which was everything because he created it for all-- your point Tony E. will be the direction taken no matter how hard a few of us want us all to compromise and work it out and then work it together for when it really matters.

All I can say once we give up in here and finally walk away from this thread unless a compromise is met... Then all efforts will be futile for this industry to be taken serious enough..

Actually John after reading all the posts by Robert I don't see him as a guy who is interested in working WITH anyone. It reads more like he wants us all to work FOR him.
 
Actually John after reading all the posts by Robert I don't see him as a guy who is interested in working WITH anyone. It reads more like he wants us all to work FOR him.
What is it you want Robert to do?
 
Actually John after reading all the posts by Robert I don't see him as a guy who is interested in working WITH anyone. It reads more like he wants us all to work FOR him.
What is it you want Robert to do?
 
Just a pure shame if you ask me.....Small Business Owners viewed as Criminals, Polluters, Unprofessional, Wasteful Users of water and Lord knows what else by outsiders and sabotaged within the ranks of our own Industry.

While I have tried to give the reason for this a "Benefit Of The Doubt" there is absolutely no doubt in my mind "Now" where the responsibility for this lays.

Yea It's Time For The UAMCC To Try An Change These Ideals That Have Us Portrayed As Nothing More The Unprofessional Criminals Of The Lowest Element.

Just A Pure Shame.........
 
This Might Scare some, you do not have to worry because I'm only the president with a decided tie breaker powers. I have lost the battle in UAMCC government when wanted things my way the majority over road me.

Please understand why I'm against waiting, we need all uammc members to march in to there own local authorities with the truthful info about pressure washer. No waiting, the damage is being laid. They are attending Private profiteering shows such as Stormcom.com getting the word out about the PWNA and the BMP's. How this Helps anyone in this industry I have not to see the angle. PWNA members should be asking why there monies are not being spent to assist them.

We are starting a Education fund at the UAMCC , we are accepting private donation, we have some small contributors all ready.

Point three, we cannot sit and wait, we need to be proactive.
 
we cannot sit and wait, we need to be proactive.
You and I should have hooked up... Tell your members this Ron that to get anything done they all need to be proactive and you lead by example..

Biggest problem I Ever had with both the PWNA & the UAMCC is even though some wanted to be big time proactive, what they had to slosh thru with a non profit was getting the approvals done the correct way.. And that process alone sometimes killed the motivations of some..
Good luck.
 
I voted in a moment of weakness before I understood that my vote would show up. I really shouldn't have voted since it's not my livelihood that's being affected by any of this, and if there's a way to remove my vote, I'd prefer that.

While I have my own opinions about this whole situation, I plan to keep them to myself! However, I will say that I selected "Do you want us to try to build on Robert's foundation?" for two reasons:
1. Completely reinventing the wheel seems like a longer, less productive process than taking what is out there and reworking it.
2. Synergy, i.e., the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. (Specifically "combined effort being greater than parts: the working together of two or more people, organizations, or things, especially when the result is greater than the sum of their individual effects or capabilities")
IF there was a way for both organizations to work together, I believe more could be achieved than if two separate groups of passionate, intelligent, opinionated individuals continue to battle one another.
 
I voted in a moment of weakness before I understood that my vote would show up. I really shouldn't have voted since it's not my livelihood that's being affected by any of this, and if there's a way to remove my vote, I'd prefer that.

While I have my own opinions about this whole situation, I plan to keep them to myself! However, I will say that I selected "Do you want us to try to build on Robert's foundation?" for two reasons:
1. Completely reinventing the wheel seems like a longer, less productive process than taking what is out there and reworking it.
2. Synergy, i.e., the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. (Specifically "combined effort being greater than parts: the working together of two or more people, organizations, or things, especially when the result is greater than the sum of their individual effects or capabilities")
IF there was a way for both organizations to work together, I believe more could be achieved than if two separate groups of passionate, intelligent, opinionated individuals continue to battle one another.

Allison, it is what it is. Honesty is becoming rarer and rarer these days. I appreciate your honesty.
 
PWI members, what say ye?

Allison we love that you have your own thoughts and opinions.

No one here is going to look down upon you or any revenue stream will be affected.

Do understand that revenue streams of others have been affected with this old process.

Ill let share one with you on my Facebook page.


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