BArry Please ask some questions here about the UAMCC certification

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
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I can Answer here?

So you think RCIA, PWNA and IKECA promoting certifications are BS? of Just the uamcc


I really want to here

Mike or Rob your not banned yet please ask away

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You know I'm banned over at TGS and cant Answer your Lies and miss-leading conversations.


 
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So in all truthfulness what about any certification makes someone better than someone else?

I have never had someone ever ask if I was certified, not ever. No insurance requirement to do it, not required to purchase the equipment nor to even get a business license.

Did pwi make you better?

Doesn't learning make you better, on going learning will always help you not hurt you.




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In 14 years I have never had anyone ask for if I am certified. When I was a auto tech in the early 80's I was a master tech certified by ASE, most people today still don't know what ASE is and they are the only auto certifying org that I know of.

Why would a customer ask you if you don't have it. Pretty simple they might just use the guy who does have it.

We all realize that it's not the end of the world if your not certified and doesn't mean your better than me if you are.

It does mean your looking to seek excel acne and betterment for your craft.

One day maybe it can make a difference , you and me might be dead. We have to start someplace.


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Sometimes selling the certification helps. I know that I have made a lot of people more comfortable using me, because I have proven myself in business, but I have also made people comfortable because of a certification, or education that I have received. Since the UAMCC certifications are closely tied to education, it makes sense that having the certification will do more to help your business then it would to harm your business.
So, have I received jobs because of certifications I have received? absolutely, because I had proof that I had the knowledge of what I was doing. Was it asked for? Nope, but I have made it a point to tell someone, and it is often the tipping point for them to use my services.
 
Great point Scott. I have started doing the same thing. I try to let my customers know that I am heavily involved in continuing education in my field. I think some are under the impression that certification is a magic ticket that sells itself. Maybe in the future it will be, but only if those of us now involved in it do our part by increasing public awareness of it.
 
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Guy,
I appreciate the comment. But again you must not get it. I dont give two bulls ***** about Ron. What my point is that he is relentless. This is why people will never join the Org. I didnt know I had a problem with Ron to be honest. I voiced my opinion on a topic of discussion. Then he harrasses me with phone calls and text messeges. I clearly state do not call or text me. You do know what harrassment is? My point is that this is your president of a "so called" national Org. Your BOD puts out "free" memberships for contractors to the Org because of why? I get it...you cant get the membership. But just name me one Org who allows free members to be on committee's. Whats the purpose of paying for membership when you can get it free? You have your president promoting that the VP's school is the best in the world, industry, etc. What a joke this Org has become. You can run when you want to and thats ok I understand why Guy. But you are a part of this until you get out of the BOD. And no affadavit you sign will reliquish you of your duties. You ask why the UAMCC is under fire. When contractors cannot voice their opinions there is no need for an Org. or if they do this is how they get treated. Make it the United Assoc of Mickeys Clubhouse Cleaners. I am sure Disney has enough money to fund you part way.


Maybe it was your association that Made you Fail? So when will this industry leaders Stop pointing fingers at each other and do something in stead of criticism?

 
Can We quote you in this months News Letter?
Sometimes selling the certification helps. I know that I have made a lot of people more comfortable using me, because I have proven myself in business, but I have also made people comfortable because of a certification, or education that I have received. Since the UAMCC certifications are closely tied to education, it makes sense that having the certification will do more to help your business then it would to harm your business.
So, have I received jobs because of certifications I have received? absolutely, because I had proof that I had the knowledge of what I was doing. Was it asked for? Nope, but I have made it a point to tell someone, and it is often the tipping point for them to use my services.
 
I'm a different breed. Personally I think PWI and the relationships I've built and the learning I've received from the various roundtables and events I've attended all over the country are worth thousands.

I don't mind paying those thousands back in the form of an annual membership to an org that is working towards leading contractors towards continuing education and redefining our position as a friend to the environment rather than polluters.

I got certified because if I get one job because of the wash water certification it all cost me nothing.

I got certified because even if no one knows who the UAMCC is, some customers will psychologically have a better opinion of my company if I have the certs.

There are a few contractors who have taken the time and effort to learn from us on OUR method of coil cleaning.

Ours is not the only method, and who is to say it is the best. (well, I say that, but that doesn't mean much).

Each of those contractors are "Sonitx Certified" coil cleaners. That means they have learned OUR method and are trained to do things the way WE do it.

In a meeting with a multimillion dollar company one of them mentioned that they were "Sonitx" Certified. The response was "Yeah, we are familiar with them and those guys are good". Needless to say they got the work. How much did the cert have to do with that? Who knows? But one thing is for sure, it wasn't a hindrance to them getting the work.

The UAMCC coil cleaning certification is not company specific. It's not "Sonitx Certification". It is simply a certification that shows you have enough knowledge to clean a coil without damaging it and know the difference between the different types of equipment and their functions. These are basic things one needs to know before they take on the work of power washing a coil. It's not an easy cert. Chances are, you might fail it the first time through. But will it benefit you in the future? I hope so. That is why I took the time and effort to round up others in the field and help write the certs.
 
Can We quote you in this months News Letter?

If I could find a revenue stream, I would ask to be paid. Since I can't, go ahead and use it for UAMCC purposes unlessl otherwise notified.
 
I'm a believer in certification. But My biggest concern going into the UAMCC test this week is I really hope they separated the facts from the opinion. I've taken and passed a PWNA cert test, and the RCIA cert test and I can tell you that they each had some questions on those tests that were clearly biased to a certain way of doing things. Now I knew how to answer because the tests were associated with certain classes and certain teachers so I knew what they were looking for, but it wasn't the Gospel truth, or right and wrong. That said, I like reading what Tony S said about the coil test being pretty generic and not a Sonitx test. I'm hoping the wood test is the same. I'll check back in after taking it.
 
I'm a believer in certification. But My biggest concern going into the UAMCC test this week is I really hope they separated the facts from the opinion. I've taken and passed a PWNA cert test, and the RCIA cert test and I can tell you that they each had some questions on those tests that were clearly biased to a certain way of doing things. Now I knew how to answer because the tests were associated with certain classes and certain teachers so I knew what they were looking for, but it wasn't the Gospel truth, or right and wrong. That said, I like reading what Tony S said about the coil test being pretty generic and not a Sonitx test. I'm hoping the wood test is the same. I'll check back in after taking it.


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Originally Posted by Chappy
So, Cyclone, you started this thread complaining about how the Uamcc wouldn't promote your PW school. then you start into ad hominem attacks on Ron and other BOD members. Then you disparage Bill because he wanted to charge people as an expert on roof cleaning. Now how is that any different from you starting a pw school? What makes you the expert? And why isnt it ok for Bill to make money whether its in a school class or environment or as a consultant.
You have a problem with the UAMCC. I get it. Don't join. I didn't like the way the PWNA was run. I didn't renew. You dont like Ron. I get that. He rubs lots of people the wrong way, but he sure is trying to make this a good org. So are the bod members. They dont get paid for their time, but have to put up with these public attacks all the time.
You point to emails and phone calls that may or may not prove your point. But the point is coming across as whiney and petty.
As for the tests. They are made up by people experienced in the field. I just completed the wood restoration test. It was about the same quality as the pwna test I took years ago. It was obviously done by people that knew wood restoration. There was only one question that I completely disagreed with. That's not bad for a group of people getting together that may completely disagree on all but the fundamentals, and sometimes even those. Why isnt ok for the roof cleaning test to be done that way? Just because YOU don't agree with this way, doesn't mean that it's wrong.


Originally Posted by Barney Fife

Chappy,

If you look out from under the UAMCC, you will see that I started the thread, not cyclone. Why attack Barry with your ingnorant ranting post?
I did not complain that they would not promote my school, I asked if I got one off the ground, if they would treat me the same as their VP?? The answers that I got are comical at best, since there was not a good answer, now.... I stumbled upon the phase 2 unmade about to be introduced standard made by a committe of unnamed people. Sounds like it should be a real hoot.

I would not be offering a certification, I would be offering training. I need not pound on my chest publically and tell the world my expoits so that I look good and draw people to me. Do you know anything about me, my business or how long I have been powerwashing?? Have I been the the epicenter of nationwide failures in the industry and tried to sell myself to the point that I was run out of another board?? That is not the character of someone who should be considered an industry professional.

I do not care about how you perceive the issues that I am addressing. Are you on the board at the UAMCC? or are you another lackey blindly defending what is going on??

Regardless of the org, the certs are based upon nothing other than opinion. They are not based upon industry standards and practices. There are none established by an entity capable of setting those standards. I can wash a deck how I want and with what chemicals I want. The same would go for a house or roof. Who are you or they to tell anyone how to do it?? This org claims that they are the industry trailblazers. This is far from the truth. The non-profit status is being circumvented with the push toward board members for profit businesses. This is not capitalism, it is deception. That is wrong. I and others see it for what it is. Perhaps you should remove your blinders, it would have helped you see who made the original post.


Dear Mr. Fife

 
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Dear Mr. Fife


Ron, or should I call you disparraging names as you are doing to me??
You freely admit that you are pushing people toward Doug because he is your friend and you want him to do well. As the president of a non profit org, you steer people to a revenue creating school for the benefit of your friend. There is nothing to dispute about that, they are your words in your video. The volume and amount do not matter, it is unethical in your position, you should ne neutral, you are not.
I am not making this about revenge. I do not believe in what is happening. I am entitled to my opinion, as you are. I am not perfetutaing falacies, I am posting about your actions that you admit to doing and I disagree with it. They are not falacies they are facts.
I am sure the UAMCC financials are in order, there would be no charge at the UAMCC, the charges are at the for profit businesses that your running, like NCE, PWI (ad spaces etc), Dougs school and so on.

So, here is what I get out of the video. You are opinionated and you have your agenda that you are pushing. Many are afraid of you to say anything. You know, I know it, most in the industry know it. I do not wish to participate in a pissing match with you, nor will I here becuase of the way this thread will turn.

The name calling is improper for a person in your position. If your frustrated, you should act like a grown man and take the issue up with me. You have my number, you have called a number of times in the past. Stating in this post that I am not banned here yet...why the threats. My posts are not in violtion of the rules, they are contrary to theopinion of you and your friends. Do you want discussion or censorship??
In the grand scheme of things, all of this rates pretty low on the radar for me. I disagree with whats happening and I am entitled to my opinion.
Good luck in your endeavors Ron.
 
Did pwi make you better?

Doesn't learning make you better, on going learning will always help you not hurt you.




Text me anytime for question 480-522-5227
Did PWI make me better? yes indirectly since the relationships here have made me better but my point is still the same our industry has zero credibility and the certifications that are being pushed right now are basically worthless and my dead grandmother can pass them, not just the UAMCC's certification but most every certification except the kitchen exhaust schools. Its only my opinion of the test not the person or the org that is giving the certification.

Kind of like buying a fishing license at Walmart, anyone can get it! Really I am not trying to be difficult or start am argument I am stating my opinion which I consider to be factual.
 
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