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Ron, please show me exactly where I ever made that statement you are suggesting I made.


Thank you Doug for showing that the PWNA BOD members can not post in other orgs. Now for the second reason why some of them haven't posted; It's because some of them are in that special little camp Rance mentioned earlier. Now that we all know why they won't answer us here can we move on?

Kris really got no time to argue with you about what you type, either you get we are helping you with the rest of the industry or you don't.

Really if you do not see it then its ok, go on about your business. But please understand asking someone to move on off this particular subject is a TGS or PWC comment. No one is going to let this go!!!!

I do suggest that if you have no real info on why you feel the way you do perhaps you should stay out of the post. It seems you want to side track to anything but the Point!!!

So this is me asking you to stay on the point of the thread and ad to it either way. or just stay out because its obvious you really do not have a real thought either direction other than distraction.
 
We did vote to endorse at the time to help the Houston contractors. Shortly after that, we found out that the BMP was being shopped to others, when we told they would not be.
I talked to Ron numerous times when this was going on and he knew my stance on this. We thought we were helping. In hind sight, that was not the case and for that I'm sorry.

After the BMP was being shopped, we asked Robert to step down.

Thank you David, appreciate the credibility you bring to the table. ALWAYS
 
My apology, I retract my statement. Please let us continue this debate of why the PWNA has not answered these questions.

Kristopher, have you read the other threads on here regarding Robert's BMP?

What is your personal opinion about his BMP?

What is your opinion about Robert and Jim interfering with las Vegas and causing them to change a BMP the contractors were already happy with?

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Thank you Doug for showing that the PWNA BOD members can not post in other orgs. Now for the second reason why some of them haven't posted; It's because some of them are in that special little camp Rance mentioned earlier. Now that we all know why they won't answer us here can we move on?

Kris, I don't believe a single person on the BOD of the PWNA are banned here, I will check, but I am also certain that ALL of them aren't.
 
Thank you Doug for showing that the PWNA BOD members can not post in other orgs. Now for the second reason why some of them haven't posted; It's because some of them are in that special little camp Rance mentioned earlier. Now that we all know why they won't answer us here can we move on?

Yes, I just checked and not a single member of the PWNA BOD is banned here.
 
My apology, I retract my statement. Please let us continue this debate of why the PWNA has not answered these questions.

By the way, Kristopher, the post of yours quoted above showed more guts than anyone in the pwna has ever shown.

They never admit anything and never apologize. The two board members behind the "investigation" of Ron were so gutless they allowed Mike Hilborn to resign rather the simply saying "I'm sorry".

And further, someone in their camp has lied to you in the usual fashion, by projecting their own practice and accusing us of doing what THEY do.
It is the UAMCC board members who are in "the banned camp" at the boards they control. Almost every board member is banned at TGS, the board the PWNA has publicly designated as the only place they will post as per their bod minutes and the announcement there.

There is not a single pwna board member who is banned here.

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I don't remember any of the pwna bod being banned here, glad you guys checked this out.

Obviously someone told someone that they were banned here and that someone is lying, lying, lying to people about the pwna being banned here. See how that works? Someone told someone to say that the pwna bod are banned here and that is why they cannot respond. Truth comes out like most always. So, that someone telling someone to say that the pwna bod is banned here is lying and made someone else say something that is a lie instead of them coming here and saying it themselves, in other words, making someone else look bad when the truth comes out. That is what happens when you are listening to the wrong people, the liars, the manipulators, etc.....The truth came out and shows that someone had someone say something that was a lie and the truth shows it.

This is the kind of thing that we don't like here on PWI, liars and manipulators spreading lies, mis-information and manipulating people into doing things that they don't want to be caught doing, most of the time the truth will come out and someone will be left holding the bag but not the manipulators and liars, it will be the people that they send in to do their dirty work for them, their lackeys, their gophers, their errand boys or whatever else you want to call it but right here the truth came out and shows that the pwna bod are not banned here and can come here and talk if they wanted to. Instead, a lie was presented to be truth and proved to be a lie in front of everyone.

I am not bashing anyone here, just proving what has happened in the past is still trying to happen here, manipulators and liars getting other people to do what they want here instead of doing it on their own.

That is one of the great things here on PWI, the truth shall be known, presented and the lies and manipulations will be exposed and the people presenting them will be exposed also.

Just about any member of the pwna, bod or anyone in the business can join here, post comments, join in the conversations, etc...... but most of the pwna bod choose not to for some reason. I wonder what that reason would be. I wonder if they were told by the owner not to? I wonder if they were told that they would lose their seat on the bod if they participated in the truth here? I wonder if they were warned that they would not be allowed to join in the festivus at that time of year if they participated (from Seinfeld)?

There is obviously a reason why none of them are participating, not telling Robert to stop the shopping the bmp's, not telling Robert and others to stop messing with other cities' bmp's, not telling those guys to stop meeting with other cities' regulators and the other stuff that they are doing to the detriment of contractors around the country. I wonder who is really pulling the bod's strings and telling them what to do and not to do because obviously someone is in charge there and making the big decisions and telling the bod what to do and what not to do. Makes you wonder.
 
I got a call from Hilborn about the bmp's and told me on the phone that they would never be shopped and I told him that it looks like that is what they were going to do and we all had concerns with that as we don't want more regulations while trying to do our jobs and feed our families.

I think Mike was sincere about this so maybe someone told the pwna bod to go ahead and shop the bmp's anyway.

I typed about 2 pages of changes to their bmp's along with Tony Shelton typing a ton of stuff that needed to be changed with those bmp's and many other contractors here on PWI mentioned other changes that needed to be changed as their bmp's were very wrong, too restrictive and a lot of things were not needed to say the least.

This is another example of the bod being told to do something by someone that is either the owner or above the bod because when the president says that the bmp's would not be shopped and then they were shopped, it sure looks like someone there is in charge above the president and the bod.

I would like to know who is in charge over the president and bod there because you obviously don't need a president and bod if someone above them is calling the shots against what the president says and promises will not happen. I don't want to assume but many of us have an idea who really runs the pwna, above and beyond the president and bod as it is very obvious with these and other examples.
 
Robert Hinderliter was logged on to PWI for 2 1/2 hours on Tuesday Kristopher.

Now that his memory is refreshed on this matter maybe he can tell you why he brought BMPs that were tried for a number of years, then rejected and replaced in his own city to Las Vegas to lobby for them to be implemented here over the objections of contractors who live here.
 
Robert Hinderliter was logged on to PWI for 2 1/2 hours on Tuesday Kristopher.

Now that his memory is refreshed on this matter maybe he can tell you why he brought BMPs that were tried for a number of years, then rejected and replaced in his own city to Las Vegas to lobby for them to be implemented here over the objections of contractors who live here.


This is even more evidence of someone pulling the strings of the pwna when the president said and promised that those bogus bmp's would not ever be shopped to cities, they were just for the pwna to have for reference.

Someone told Robert to go and shop those bogus bmp's to cities against the word and promise of the pwna president, just goes to show that someone owns or runs the pwna obove the president and bod that OR the word and promise of the president means nothing and that the bod members will just go and do what they want even though the president said and promised that it would never happen, either way the pwna bod is doing their own thing or is having their strings pulled and is being manipulated by someone higher up like an owner.

Either way, it looks like the pwna bod cannot be trusted or believed because of these things happening against the word and promise of their president. If the word and promise of the president of an org means nothing to the bod, what does that say about that org and their bod?
 
Your right Doug. I should have said some PWNA members are banned from here that could talk and aren't bound by the PWNA BOD rule. They used to be on the BOD... I think.

Obviously you are now acquainted with Jim Gamble and John Tornebene.

Jim was banned from here long before he ever was a member of the pwna. And John was a moderator who went on a spree deleting threads which is against policy. Neither of them are PWNA board members.

Please feel free to post anything they would like to say right here. They both read pwi all the time so they are completely up to speed. Their IP addresses don't lie.

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Your right Doug. I should have said some PWNA members are banned from here that could talk and aren't bound by the PWNA BOD rule. They used to be on the BOD... I think.

This is a funny thing, it's wrong.

All of bod or members can speak up any place will answer them.

It's the 21st century get with it.

My bod are men who have there own thoughts. That's what makes the UAmCc the choice.

People think I put Tony on the bod because we are best buddy's. it's actually not what people think, tony and I don't agree on a ton of issues.

Here's a surprise kris I think we should make every regulator and every person who will listen to us about the UAmCc program. Tony thinks its going to be local contractors choice. In the end what separates us from the rest is nor tony or myself will decide that , the team will.

That's a wrap, we are grow up business men running the real national association.
 
Your right Doug. I should have said some PWNA members are banned from here that could talk and aren't bound by the PWNA BOD rule. They used to be on the BOD... I think.

Kris, there only 2 members, not some, that are banned here, that are members of the PWNA. The PWNA boasts of over 200 members.. Surely one of those could pop in here and give their opinions. I think I am beginning to see what you'd like to have happen here and the true intent of you involvement in this thread, (and i hope I am wrong) and it's not going to happen.

All the factual information you need to make whatever decision you feel you need to make is right here on this BBS. You can also pick up the phone and call anyone you'd like, including Tony, Robert, Scott Stone, any PWNA BOD member, and others etc etc.

If you feel someone's side is not being told...then go get it. As much as the two that are banned here post on other BBS, I wonder why they ignore this on the BBS they are active on....I mean their history certainly proves they would respond.
 
What is the UAMCC program?

Common sense site assessment based on ahj. Use the bmps and reduce pollution prior and during cleaning process.

This means reclaim is not the most responsible method. Secondary to no off property discharge when cleaning sidewalks.

Fleet washing and things that involve heavy contaminates might require disposal or filtering.

There is no one fits all answer !
 
Kris, there only 2 members, not some, that are banned here, that are members of the PWNA. The PWNA boasts of over 200 members.. Surely one of those could pop in here and give their opinions. I think I am beginning to see what you'd like to have happen here and the true intent of you involvement in this thread, (and i hope I am wrong) and it's not going to happen.

You are wrong.
 
Kris, I'm sure more people like yourself are not convinced of the allegations and proof that has been presented here. I must admit that I too had reservations about the information I was getting from various people. The emails that surfaced was the conclusive evidence that tied everything together from what had read and been told by others. If there was doubt, there is none now for me, especially after talking with a person very, very close to this situation. No public response will be made because of the ramifications to the parties involved businesses. I believe you will see some people distancing themselves from this by stepping down from certain positions they may hold in certain offices with the PWNA. If you or others aren't convinced of the obvious, then you shouldn't be beaten over the head with the truth. To each his own.
 
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