Safety about Using Fire protection systems in Building and Garages

So to be clear, the Captain on the video is the captain over the area where Jim claims to do most of his work?

Does this mean the PWNA, through Jim and Mike Hinderliter on his board are teaching guys how to maximize profits and "raise the standard pricing" by breaking the law?

Jim refers to 800 gallons in ten minutes in this old PWI post - that has to be a fire hose. The captain talks about how nasty the fire suppressant water is in the audio. Does that mean that the video Jim has put out showing the filthy water and claiming it is oil is fraudulent?

Actually, they don't mind that. To them, it shows that we do indeed collect all the " Grey Water" and filter it. So many others just let it go done the storm drain making the owner of the garage possibly liable for the fines of 10k per day plus 1k per gallon of discharge.

1. The Sanitation Districts here in California prefers this way to prove that you have a " Water Tight Seal" over their sewer drain. That no Grey water is getting by you, or they prefer a boom. However, when you are taking 80 GPM per minute, they seam to like this way because a boom would be hard pressed to hold back 80 GPM.

2. We produce so much water, that it is near impossible NOT to have this amount of water at any giving time. In 10 minutes we can produce 800 gallons of oil black laced water. The water at times ( NOT ALL THE TIME) can be as thick as low fat milk except black in color.

It costs us $3,000 to $5,850 to dispose of and recharge our filtration system. Our Active Carbon filter is about 900 lbs alone. Our filtraion trailer is 24 ft long and takes a 20kw generator to run it.

We pull out allot of oil from the cement.

Please note, that when I say mostly oil, I mean the substance in the water consists of water with oil in it. Not gum, not dirt, not paint. Just Oil. I guess I need to be a little more carefully on my wording to those who may not specialize in deep cleaning of parking garages.

This garage was completed in the end of March for *******. We have another one under contract at the end of May for *******. EPA, County and City all show up with video and lab trucks to exam and evaluate the cleaning and the filtration system. If you do it wrong 1 time, you might as well look for something else to do in life. There is no second chances in some parts of California. In 19 years of cleaning parking garages, we have never been written up or fined.
 
I never understood how anyone could produce 60 gpm without using something like a hydrant or some sort of fire hose hookup. I've seen a few pictures over the year using fire hydrants, but never did understand the reason why. That is until I saw these 60 gpm things, which personally I think is a bit over kill. Now what I don't get, based on this video is the Marshall says there are alarms and they would know if one is being used. With that said why has the alarm not been turned on when one is using one.

Would I be correct in saying that the white boxes (especially in garages) that hold long fire hose and has a water valve is also one of the systems the marshall is referring to in the video?
 
What about in Colorado Ron?


I'm in amazement at how some contractors will do anything to raise their profit without any regards to the consequences.

And he worst thing is, these guys (including the guy in this video AND Jim) are the first ones to go complaining to the EPA about perfectly legal techniques other use.

Good Grief.

Is Wash on Wheels a PWNA member too?
 
What about in Colorado Ron?


I'm in amazement at how some contractors will do anything to raise their profit without any regards to the consequences.

And he worst thing is, these guys (including the guy in this video AND Jim) are the first ones to go complaining to the EPA about perfectly legal techniques other use.

Good Grief.

Is Wash on Wheels a PWNA member too?


Its possible they are using a Trash Pump, you never know. That could Be legal but just not Environmentally Responsible
 
So, the California State Fire Marshall says you cannot use any part of the fire prevention or suppression system at all for any reason, no matter what.

So, the PWNA Environmental people are saying that you can use the system if it is in "Test Mode" for washing or rinsing a parking garage, even though the State Fire Marshall says that you cannot do this ever.

Why would the PWNA say that it is ok to use a fire system to rinse parking garages when the California State Fire Marshall says that you cannot do this, it is illegal and a misdemeanor, a felony if someone gets hurt when this is happening?

Why would the pwna allow information like this to be out there and spread, information about doing things that are illegal and misdemeanors?

Why would the pwna let their environmental people say things that are not legal to do and not put an end to it?

Why would the pwna promote illegal practices?

Do pressure washing contractors there in California know it is illegal to use the fire system for anything but fire suppression?

I wonder how many other states like Texas, Nevada and Colorado have the same laws or would they let you use the fire suppression system for rinsing and cleaning purposes?

This would be good information to know.
 
Chris Un like the PWNA I do not Practice Turning in Contractors for anything. In Time these Individuals or org will Get served with Law suits un-fortunately when someone gets hurt or prosecuted.


I just do not promote being a RAT!!
It never works out in the Long run, we just inform our members of the correct ways.
So, the California State Fire Marshall says you cannot use any part of the fire prevention or suppression system at all for any reason, no matter what.

So, the PWNA Environmental people are saying that you can use the system if it is in "Test Mode" for washing or rinsing a parking garage, even though the State Fire Marshall says that you cannot do this ever.

Why would the PWNA say that it is ok to use a fire system to rinse parking garages when the California State Fire Marshall says that you cannot do this, it is illegal and a misdemeanor, a felony if someone gets hurt when this is happening?

Why would the pwna allow information like this to be out there and spread, information about doing things that are illegal and misdemeanors?

Why would the pwna let their environmental people say things that are not legal to do and not put an end to it?

Why would the pwna promote illegal practices?

Do pressure washing contractors there in California know it is illegal to use the fire system for anything but fire suppression?

I wonder how many other states like Texas, Nevada and Colorado have the same laws or would they let you use the fire suppression system for rinsing and cleaning purposes?

This would be good information to know.
 
I am not suggesting to rat out anyone in case that is what someone thinks my post was about.

I am asking questions on why this is happening and allowed to happen.

I was also asking how many states have laws against using the fire suppression systems for anything but fire suppression.

I would not suggest companies resort to ratting-out the competition like that company does there in Houston, that is just sad in so many ways.

Hope things are clear on my post.
 
I don't promote that either. Education is the best way to deal with issues like this.

The problem is some people will do anything to make more profit. They don't give a damn about the environment but only use that as an excuse to buy more equipment, make more laws to require that equipment and lobby for more licensing to thin competition so they can rape customers and municipalities with outrageous prices.

This is not the type of people we need educating contractors.

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I am not suggesting to rat out anyone in case that is what someone thinks my post was about.

I am asking questions on why this is happening and allowed to happen.

I was also asking how many states have laws against using the fire suppression systems for anything but fire suppression.

I would not suggest companies resort to ratting-out the competition like that company does there in Houston, that is just sad in so many ways.

Hope things are clear on my post.

Perhaps if enough people professionally write the Pwna and inform them of concerns they will listen.

I have informed the individuals there with the integrity to fix the issue. I have in many other instances as well. It's sink or swim with there reputations at this point.

As the industry leader they should be focused on safety and environment , putting children at risk to clean buildings is nothing I want to be associated with. Public safety is number one, contractors welfare is a distant 10 place. Teaching savings over safety is eventually going to turn out bad.

We know from eye witness account this person has set off alarms and companies responded. He was warned and was told not to do this again. Still recently he promotes knowing the negligence. The liabilities just folded by ten!!!


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He is just a hater that is unfairly attacking Jim and his methods.

The only thing I am surprised about is that it is potential felony. I would bet a nickel that if someone died in a fire that became worse because the fire protection system in the area was compromised that the person using the fire hose would be charged with murder.
 
I am glad to hear that recording because now I know that using a fire suppression system is not only illegal in California (probably most states also) but is also a misdemeanor and then WILL BE A FELONY if someone is hurt because a contractor is tied into a fire suppression system and there is a fire at that property.

We are not just talking about property being lost during a fire if this happens but possibly people's lives because of mis-information about using fire suppression systems to provide water to do a cleaning job when it is and has been illegal to tie into those systems according to the California State Fire Marshall.
 
So, the California State Fire Marshall says you cannot use any part of the fire prevention or suppression system at all for any reason, no matter what.

So, the PWNA Environmental people are saying that you can use the system if it is in "Test Mode" for washing or rinsing a parking garage, even though the State Fire Marshall says that you cannot do this ever.

Why would the PWNA say that it is ok to use a fire system to rinse parking garages when the California State Fire Marshall says that you cannot do this, it is illegal and a misdemeanor, a felony if someone gets hurt when this is happening?

Why would the pwna allow information like this to be out there and spread, information about doing things that are illegal and misdemeanors?

Why would the pwna let their environmental people say things that are not legal to do and not put an end to it?

Why would the pwna promote illegal practices?

Do pressure washing contractors there in California know it is illegal to use the fire system for anything but fire suppression?

I wonder how many other states like Texas, Nevada and Colorado have the same laws or would they let you use the fire suppression system for rinsing and cleaning purposes?

This would be good information to know.

Probably because they do not know, they are only guessing at what they do. Uneducated???? I mean I certainly wouldn't want to use the word Stupid or Ignorant.
 
Great info to know I never realized the use of the fire system was illegal. I always knew it was wasteful and not environmentally friendly though. Thanks for the update Ron.
 
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