A New Roof Cleaning Soap!

Apple Roof Cleaning

Roof Cleaning Instructor
This is NOT my discovery. In fact, I tried it nearly 15 years ago, and it did not work very well. However, it was brought to my attention on our other www.roofcleaninginstitute.org forum, by a member in Vancouver BC, who can not buy Gain up there.
He said he was using Joy Dishwashing Liquid, with success, so I looked up the MSDS Sheet for it http://msds-data.com/MSDS/PG/Joy_Liquid_Dish_37170_msds.pdf
Evidently, Proctor and Gamble, the makers of Liquid Joy, have changed the formulation!
It is totally stable with nearly anything, and no warnings for use with chlorine bleach, either!
In fact, the scented forms of Joy, like the Lemon Fresh Joy, are also OK for use with Chlorine Bleach!

LOL, this looks like "another nail in the coffin" for sellers of expensive soaps for roof cleaning.

No "need" to buy overpriced soaps with questionable claims anymore, and then pay all the expensive freight and wait, when perfectly good chlorine stable soaps are waiting on the shelf, at your nearest store!

Because of the unconditional Chlorine Stability mentioned in the MSDS for Liquid Joy Dish Soap, you can literally add "all you want" to a batch of the roof cleaning mix, and should be able to make you some real sticky chit!






 
Even though it is chlorine stable, do you think it weakens the bleach like some soaps do?

Does it just mix and work?

Does it possibly enhance the bleach?

Thanks Chris
 
Even though it is chlorine stable, do you think it weakens the bleach like some soaps do?

Does it just mix and work?

Does it possibly enhance the bleach?

Thanks Chris
The soaps that weaken the bleach are caused by incompatibility, meaning the bleach and them "fight each other".
I am not "sold" on any soap that claims to "enhance" the bleach.
For cleaning purposes, we want a HIGH PH, and some very dilute bleach (not SH) and water solutions can be enhanced a little by a very alkaline (high PH) soap.
But any roof cleaning mix, even the weakest shingle roof cleaning mix, is already at a High PH, so little to no enhancement is possible.
After PH 10, or higher, the equilibrium of the SH leans more to the formation of the Hypochlorite Ion (the chit that does the actual cleaning)
Increasing the PH above PH 10 does little or nothing, for the cleaning capability of the roof cleaning mix.

The ARMA Roof Cleaning Mix uses a very very weak bleach to water solution. All that water drops the PH of the bleach. But ARMA wisely adds TSP to this weak, low PH bleach/water mix, to raise the PH, and make it more effective!

ANY High PH Chlorine Stable Compound or Soap will "enhance" a weak bleach/water mixture.
However, they will not enhance a roof cleaning mixture, that is already over PH 10.
 
I like the Roof Snot, Would love a masking scent. But it is good stuff
 
Yeah I have tried just about every dish soap, laundry soap, powdered soap, you name it ... I always end back at Roof Snot...just nothing better..
 
Yeah I have tried just about every dish soap, laundry soap, powdered soap, you name it ... I always end back at Roof Snot...just nothing better..
Yes! Roof Snot saved my marriage, and helped me get out of Jail (The Bondsman accepted 5 gallons of it as collateral)!

Seriously, of course Roof Snot is a good product, but for those times when someone is out of it, there are alternatives.

Ultra Gain Original Scent Dishsoap , and now Joy Dishsoap, are among those alternatives.
The MSDS Sheet for Joy also said that the fragrance versions of it (Lemon Fresh Joy) are also completely stable in any Bleach type solution.
 
The problem I find with the Gain and Joy is the windows are hard to clean. With the Roof Snot I have actually had customers cancel the window cleaning after we were done because they clean so good. In fact we have had jobs where we spotted the mix was dry on window and hoses all rolled up, we just grab the a water hose and rinse and the mix rinses right off.
 
Have you tried Russ's Lemon Ade...stuff works great and only takes a little.

The lemonade works even better since I moved to North Carolina lol. I don't know why, but the bleach up here is different than the beach in Florida. I have had a 55 gallon drum of it sitting in my garage for two weeks, and it still hotter then the SH that I would get in Florida on the first day. It doesn't smell is strong either. For some reason the beach in Florida always had a sour smell. Maybe it comes from sitting out in the sun and those big clear tanks?

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The lemonade works even better since I moved to North Carolina lol. I don't know why, but the bleach up here is different than the beach in Florida. I have had a 55 gallon drum of it sitting in my garage for two weeks, and it still hotter then the SH that I would get in Florida on the first day. It doesn't smell is strong either. For some reason the beach in Florida always had a sour smell. Maybe it comes from sitting out in the sun and those big clear tanks?

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It depends on where you bought it from, in Florida.
We always try to buy our SH from a place with a SINGLE large tank that is nearly emptied every time, before it is refilled.
One reason we always avoid places with dual tanks. The dual tanks always have old chit in them, and the fresh SH gets mixed in with the stale chit, and gets diluted.
Another reason why it smells different.
 
It depends on where you bought it from, in Florida.
We always try to buy our SH from a place with a SINGLE large tank that is nearly emptied every time, before it is refilled.
One reason we always avoid places with dual tanks. The dual tanks always have old chit in them, and the fresh SH gets mixed in with the stale chit, and gets diluted.

Another reason why it smells different.
hmmm see its stuff like this that I like to know. Of course I would have never thought of that.
 
It depends on where you bought it from, in Florida.
We always try to buy our SH from a place with a SINGLE large tank that is nearly emptied every time, before it is refilled.
One reason we always avoid places with dual tanks. The dual tanks always have old chit in them, and the fresh SH gets mixed in with the stale chit, and gets diluted.
Another reason why it smells different.

hmmm see its stuff like this that I like to know. Of course I would have never thought of that.
I drink Folgers (lots of it), every morning. My friends next door are from Puerto Rico, and gave me some Puerto Rican Coffee. It is very finely ground, and it is really more for expresso.
I don't have an Expresso Machine, and did not want to waste the coffee my friends gave me, so I mixed one tablespoon to 5 tablespoon Folgers, in my Drip Coffee Maker.
It RUINED the coffee.
Just that little bit, mixed into the Folgers, made my coffee taste like chit!

Same with the SH !
If fresh SH is mixed into tanks containing old SH, it is not fresh SH anymore, and we just plain refuse to buy it, or we demand a healthy discount.

SH and Bread have something in Common. They are both best when Fresh!
 
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