stripper thickener

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Michael Cappa

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NO, I am not talking about making topless dancers fat, lol. Anyway, I noticed a while ago Beth and I think Mike Hughes talking about a thickener added to HD-80 to make it adhere longer to vertical surfaces. I would like to know what the product is called and also where I can get it. Plus, I have some of Sunbrite's remove left that I will be using up next week and was wondering if I can use the thickening agent with it. Thanks in advance.
 
Mike-

The thickener you are referring to is scheduled to be released in the spring of 2003. The first production run is set for late Feb. If you absolutely have to have some now I can make up a small batch to send you as a sample.

Give me a call in the office at 1-800-336-7924

Best of Luck

Russell
 
How bout it Russell, will starch give the same effect? will starch reduce the quality of the stripper? Any input would be great.
 
I can't be sure if it will alter the strength of the formulation, however I know starch is used in cooking as a thickener. My only suggestion if you decide to try it would be to mix the starch with warm water prior to adding the powder. Your goal (just like with gravy) is no lumps.

Be sure not to let it dry on the surface, that could be a real mess. Test it on scrap wood before using on a project.

I will play with starch in the lab and see what happens, but my gut feeling is not good.

Best of Luck

Russell
 
Thanks for the info. but I would rather use your stuff, it has been tested. I am still waiting for it, hopefully it will be here by this weekend.
 
we use corn starch all the time as a thickner. Mix it first with water as mentioned above and then add to stripper stirring as you add. We have had no adversed effects as of yet.

We have had it dry out several times and it turns white. All we had to do is reapply and move on.

If anyone knows of a thickner that will stay stable in a high pH stripper, please let me know. So far we have been unable to find one.

Jim Bilyeu
Exterior Woodcare
 
Jim-

We developed a thickener for that exact purpose. It has passed through the testing stages and is in packaging now. The first scheduled production run is in Feb.

It is a liquid that you add in small amounts to water before you add your caustic blend. It was developed as a companion product for HD-80 however it has proven effective in every solution we have tested it in.

I will keep you posted as to it's availability.

Best of Luck

Russell Cissell
 
Russell,

Is this mixture to be added at the production end or the user end.

We have tried several thickners and they have worked at the user end but the long term is not there. What we are looking for is a thickner we can add to our base product so that the end user does not have to mess with it, just mix it and go.

Keep me posted.......

Jim Bilyeu
Exterior Woodcare
 
Jim, you may want to look at modified cellulosic or guar products (Hercules, Henkel, Rhone Poulenc/Stein Hall). Tough part may be achieving stability on the alkaline side. Worth giving them a try.
Have you done a web search - maybe thickener, sealer, etc.?
 
Jim-

I'm sorry, I misunderstood you. This is an end user product.

It cannot be incorporated into the base formulation for reasons I'm sure you are familiar with. We have been working on the same thing to no avail (so far) for the past couple years.

The thickener we developed represents the best solution we have come up with so far. It works very well however as you stated, the contractor must introduce the thickener in the field which does add a few seconds and a little more aggravation. We feel that the time (and product) the contractor will save using the thickened version of the stripper makes up for the added time and effort.

I would be interested in talking with you some time. If you get a chance, give me a call at 1-800-336-7924 or leave me your e-mail address.

Best of Luck

Russell
 
to the two mad scientists----


I am sure both of you guys have done this, but what came of your analysis of Stripex?? Even StripexL comes in a very thick form. When you cut stripex it thins down, but is still significantly thicker than many things out there. I am sure both of you have checked in to this, so what makes it different??
 
Cost

There is always more than one way to "skin a cat."

StripXL is a liquid formulation. Liquids are all around more expensive. We could send you a pre thickened stripper that would be ready to apply however in terms of weight the majority of what you would be buying would be water.

That is why a product like StripXL will cost around $15.00 per gallon and HD-80 costs around $2.50 per gallon.

Best of Luck

Russ
 
Mike-

As I said, we were not set to start production runs until Feb. I did order in enough raws to make up a lab batch. As soon as I can get access to one of the smaller mixers I will blend a batch.

The lab mixers are usually used in product development so naturally they have been pretty busy. I will check to see if all the raws have come in. If they have I will put the thickener on the schedule for Monday.

Keep in mind this is going to be packaged as a sample. We will not print for this product until late January. I will include MSDS information and instructions.

Give me a call Monday and I will advise you as to the ship date.

IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE A SAMPLE. . .

Now would be the time to chime in. This will be the only batch we make between now and late Feb.

If you are interested, leave your name and contact information below. Indicate how many sample bottles you would like. Each sample bottle will thicken 5 to 10 gallons depending on the viscosity required.

There is no charge for samples however if you request over 4 bottles you will be charged a small shipping fee. (regular UPS ground service).

Best of Luck

Russell Cissell
 
stripper Thickener Sample

Russ:

Please send me 10 sample bottles. Let me know how much I owe you.

Mark Smith
Weathershield Corporation
2515 N Road 1 West
Chino Valley, Arizona 86323
 
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