Dry wells

I'm just answering how I understand it, nothing political intended. Sanitary goes to WRF (Water Reclamation Facility) Video Here . I have talked to the city about BMP's and they have requirements and systems in place. Illicit Discharge Minimization BMP's for City of Bend Seen Here Page 8 is informative to some of your inquires. The City of Bend has told me that they are not actively enforcing these regulations at this time, they are in the education stage with future plans to have an enforcement team. As far as the waste hauler/disposer I don't know, like I said they municipalities I have dealt with look at me and my system the same as a carpet cleaner, not a sewage pumper. I really want to come to an event so I can discuss some of these issues we all face in a better environment for learning and discussion. It's hard doing this over the forum, accidentally deleted my response twice while typing! and half the time im surfing the forum on my phone or tab...
 
What is going on here?

I thought Houston was straightened out last year, especially with the industrial size crowbar to help pull their heads out of their butts, are they putting them back in?

Are the Bs'ers, liars and manipulators from Ft.Worth back over there spreading lies and mis-information trying to confuse Houston again?

What is the deal over there?
 
I know where im at Central Oregon, it is at least frowned upon to rinse washwater into dry wells. Our drinking water sources are underground aquifers so anything that goes into the ground potentially could contaminate those sources

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So, the runoff from say, the entire city, including miles of road with millions of miles driven on them by cars releasing who knows what, should we be concerned about contamination? I'm thinking all the powerwashers together are insignificant to the concerns.
 
Ouch did you watch the video!! Bend isn't going to want you discharging.

Step three, didn't watch the video any further.

Better find a pretreatment facility Calvin.


I'm going to say I highly doubt they want the water in sanitary after watching to the third step. They use microbes as most treatment plants do. Nothing we give them is going to help that process.


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So, the runoff from say, the entire city, including miles of road with millions of miles driven on them by cars releasing who knows what, should we be concerned about contamination? I'm thinking all the powerwashers together are insignificant to the concerns.

Regardless Tom in my process I reduce this outfall to ms4 by pre clean an oil socks if needed. Thus having a positive impact on the permit holders responsibility


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I know where im at Central Oregon, it is at least frowned upon to rinse washwater into dry wells. Our drinking water sources are underground aquifers so anything that goes into the ground potentially could contaminate those sources

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The City of Bend has the Bridge Creek water shed as its primary water source. It also has a system of deep wells which get used in the late summer months. Those wells are about 800 ft deep.

A typical dry well is 15-30 feet deep. Basalt and lava rock make a perfect natural filtering system.

I talked by phone to an engineer at the Avion Water Co and was told that their wells are about 700' deep. I asked him if depositing wash water into on-site dry well would pose any sort of a threat to the aquifer. He said no chance whatsoever.
 
Did you guys read the City of Bend BMP's or the specific flyer for pressure washing BMP's (didnt post but can be found online)? I follow those and follow what I've been told and approved to do by Kelly Graham, Industrial Pretreatment Coordinator. The Drywell information came from David Bucannon who works on the stormwater management side. Maybe I was misinformed on the drywell issue. As for sanitary, in the city of Bend they want me to collect my water and dump it there. Its written that way to anyone who wants to look it up and if you call anyone in the 'know' they will tell you that.

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Did you guys read the City of Bend BMP's or the specific flyer for pressure washing BMP's (didnt post but can be found online)? I follow those and follow what I've been told and approved to do by Kelly Graham, Industrial Pretreatment Coordinator. The Drywell information came from David Bucannon who works on the stormwater management side. Maybe I was misinformed on the drywell issue. As for sanitary, in the city of Bend they want me to collect my water and dump it there. Its written that way to anyone who wants to look it up and if you call anyone in the 'know' they will tell you that.

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Interesting , link please.

I don't doubt you, no one believes Houston use to site ask questions later.

Post the Bmp , suppose to have these on Uamcc anyway.

Many city's followed ft worth, the EPA deemed ft worth not legal. They changed


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A lot of places call wash water "gray water" as it is non-hazardous but not drinkable and will let it go into the sanitary sewer where the city will process it with all the other water that comes from sinks, toilets, restaurants, etc... You have to check with your city and see if they will let you, most of the time they will but they don't want oil, grease, dirt, sand or sediment as this clogs up pipes and cost the city money to clean out.

Always check with your city to see what they want, what they will allow, what you can do, etc..... Most of the time they are friendly and will help you, once in a while you will run into someone with a superiority complex and are hard to deal with but just talk to them and see what you can work out.

Sometimes you have to go with the city wastewater department, storm water division, POTW, etc.... there are many different names for the departments out there in the many different cities. Call them and start asking who you need to talk to.
 
Industrial Pretreatment Coordinator should have nothing to do with mobile power washing. Unless your part of an industrial commercial permitted facility property.
 
Industrial Pretreatment Coordinator should have nothing to do with mobile power washing. Unless your part of an industrial commercial permitted facility property.

Yes here here!!!

Stay away from ms4 period


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Sounds to me like you guys are disputing the applicability of the laws as they are written pertaining to 'us' as pressure washers. We have been lumped into a category of user that we don't necessarily fit very well? Im no expert but I know how to read and talk with people and that is the information I have been going off in starting and running my business in an attempt to stay out of trouble and away from fines. In speaking with local DEQ, IPC, stormwater peeps, etc. I can tell that in my area some of this regulation and monitoring is a fairly new thing for them. Some issues can seem to be contradictory to people like Ron with the "microbe" comment or Ted with the water source depth info. I totally hear ya! Getting to the depth of issues isn't easy. When your a small guy in a world of big fish, your just starting out your business, as i am, it's smart business to follow the regulatory rules in place for the area you are working. Going back to the original questions by Juan...Just call your local authority that regulates the matter in question and ask what they want you to do and do that. If you don't agree, join forces with a group that will help you fight for your cause. Because thats the only legal and sustainable way to do anything about it.

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Hey guys, I'm going to bump this for the sake of asking a quick question...

How can you differentiate in the parking lot, whether a dry well is there, or if it is a storm drain? How would you be certain that it doesn't lead to ms4?
 
Ask the site engineer. Find that out at city planning.

Tony my man, that's absolutely vaild. From experience in the past few weeks however... Site engineer's seem clueless and don't know what the hell the difference is between their head and... well... lol

So I feel like if I could at least pre-determine this without making assumptions, then it would be all gravy. Doesn't seem that way though.
 
Houston has a website that tells you , they don't have a building an zoning . They call it something else


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Houston is just ridiculous on all levels. The traffic here sucks, and apparently... so does their choice in verbage. Complicated people I tell ya.
 
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