PWNA caught in Gross Misrepresentation to Industry and Authorities

The problem is he got it on the internet on a highly rated and crawled bulletin board. this thread needs to changed to a uncrawlable thread. how do you think no water down the drain got started or oil is an emulsifier all of this has been a very long term misinformation agenda.
 
It is just amazing how much they lie, lying like when they banned me for complimenting on what a great contractor and person Scott Stone was. Someone there really did not like that comment so they banned me and then Mike H. sent me a message that "I" removed my links in my signature before I was banned. Just amazing. I was out working and when I came back home I found out that I was banned and that my signature links were removed as well. I guess lying is part of what makes pwna membership, that and mis-direction and trying to spin things in your favor when you are caught lying more. Just amazing what they tried to get away with.

I wonder if any of them even have a conscience at all, with all of this that just happened, I wonder if any of the pwna members have heard of it and are reading the truth now?

I sure hope they do so they know what kind of group they are giving their hard earned money to, not only to be lied to, publicly embarrassed, made fools of, not listened to, not communicated with and are left out in the cold. Wow.

I am glad I never renewed my membership over there.

I wonder what the stormwater person will do if the pwna does not remove their lies and correct the situation? Cities usually have a good legal dept. and lots of money to back them up. Hmmmmmmmm..............

I'm sure the county will have their legal team on this in the very near future if they aren't already. I would think it could result in a civil suit against Robert H himself, the PWNA and Robert's business. I hope they county nails this old fart to the wall and them some.

I just amazed that Robert starts this crap, goes MIA and let's all his cronies try and stick up for him. Robert.......Robert, where are you? You old geezer.
 
"fighting for a comment period" . This statement is beyond crazy and just a straight out lie! How can anyone be so empty and just lie on lie on lie? WoWZA

Thank you UAMCC and the environmental committee for finding out the facts and helping to keep the contractor working.

Yes fighting for a comment period that never was scheduled or even thought of by OC...it was a blatant lie.
 
Yes fighting for a comment period that never was scheduled or even thought of by OC...it was a blatant lie.

Yes but don't forget.....The OC "Did" reach out to the PWNA......That part is true.......Lol!


Seriously guys,,,,,we're really forgetting the "Big Picture" here, the part that really matters most.......What damage has this, or is this going to do to local OC contractors, and what damage will this cause in regards to any future relationship between our Industry and the AHJ's? And was that the plan all along??? And Can This Be Fixed???

Damage Control & Relationship Rebuilding should be a Paramount Priority.....And not an Opportunity To Be Missed...........Just Saying.
 
I'm sure the county will have their legal team on this in the very near future if they aren't already. I would think it could result in a civil suit against Robert H himself, the PWNA and Robert's business. I hope they county nails this old fart to the wall and them some.

I just amazed that Robert starts this crap, goes MIA and let's all his cronies try and stick up for him. Robert.......Robert, where are you? You old geezer.

OC like any other governing body isnt going to pursue anything. if anything they are hoping this all goes away. Im guessing they have their own housekeeping issues to deal with.

At most they will demand P*** retracts any language with their logo attached.
 
Very good points guys, I wonder if the OC has had their legal team sent out the letters to change the lies that the pwna made up, remove the OC loco from the pwna letter and lies and I wonder how many pwna members found out about the lies the pwna has made to start this mess?

It just amazes me the lies that Robert Hinderliter made up along with the pwna made up during this fiasco, just amazing how much the pwna and Robert Hinderliter lie.
 
OC like any other governing body isnt going to pursue anything. if anything they are hoping this all goes away. Im guessing they have their own housekeeping issues to deal with.

At most they will demand P*** retracts any language with their logo attached.

Who created this document? I'm curious to find this out.

Let's ask, did you Allison Hester create the Orange County PDF displaying the oc an Pwna logo?

If you didn't who did?


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Yes but don't forget.....The OC "Did" reach out to the PWNA......That part is true.......Lol!


Seriously guys,,,,,we're really forgetting the "Big Picture" here, the part that really matters most.......What damage has this, or is this going to do to local OC contractors, and what damage will this cause in regards to any future relationship between our Industry and the AHJ's? And was that the plan all along??? And Can This Be Fixed???

Damage Control & Relationship Rebuilding should be a Paramount Priority.....And not an Opportunity To Be Missed...........Just Saying.


Guy I've reach out personally to mr. Boon

I think after the holiday Scott an Tonys team will run with a new more proactive approach.

We cannot wait to put fires out, we need to be patrolling the brush making sure no sparks light up.



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A lot of us are also wondering who made up this document full of lies, who authorized making it, who made it, who lied about getting permission from the OC to use their logo on it and how it was approved by anyone without the truth being known first?

I bet the pwna and all involved are wondering how to spin the lies out of this one.
 
I think a proactive approach will be best so that if there are more fires, they can be stomped out with the truth of the CWA and eyes opened up to the lies, mis-information being put out there and how doing the right thing can be simple, common sense approaches in most situations and no need for buying expensive recovery equipment.
 
I attempt to reach out to the leaders to see if it's possible to prevent this type of stuff from happening again.

You see when another org lobbies for tough regs it's our responsibly to our members to fight. Will either keep on fighting or we can come to agreement this stops. It's that simple an those who choose that side good luck.




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Ron I agree about fighting back. I think maybe you misunderstood me.
 
I am out of town next week, and the end of the following week. I have a feeling that Mr. Boon is going to be harassed and harangued by PWNA folk until he is going to hate our entire industry. No doubt they are going to have a hard time accepting what he has to tell them. They are afraid to even do their own due diligence, or are intent on making it a grand conspiracy that we inquired about the truth. They are really involved in an interesting thought manipulation process trying to maintain a semblance of control.
 
I am out of town next week, and the end of the following week. I have a feeling that Mr. Boon is going to be harassed and harangued by PWNA folk until he is going to hate our entire industry. No doubt they are going to have a hard time accepting what he has to tell them. They are afraid to even do their own due diligence, or are intent on making it a grand conspiracy that we inquired about the truth. They are really involved in an interesting thought manipulation process trying to maintain a semblance of control.

This is why an even faster response from Pwna would be in order, even if they deny the claims as already laid out by Allison. I see this was an entire miss understanding.

My question is why is a profit corporation doing industry business? Why is the Pwna corp think they represent the industry contractors?

If the Pwna is a not for profit please just clear the confusion an prove it.

Yes I'm suspect that the AHJ did miss-understand this, I'm suspect that they assumed things as well.

Since others are reading this such as ALlison are you aware the Uamcc has asked mr. Hinderliter & the Pwna to stop using our logos an likeness. This was ignored while in contact with these folks. John Nearon promised this would be removed from website. It's better but videos still remain. Why would someone use another org logo or want the association when asked to stop?

I think maybe it's time to post our official response an maybe if your saying Allison your not bought you might start asking tough question to your boss Paul horsely. Bod Pwna

There is someone at the Pwna who thinks they can just take anyone's logo as there property when they see fit.


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I am wondering if the OC knows about this document or has seen it? I have a feeling that they have not or their legal dept. would be sending out cease and desist letters to the pwna and Robert Hinderliter for making this document without the OC's knowledge or permission.

Still using the UAMCC's logo and videos without permission and after they were told publicly to stop doing this is an actionable offence, maybe legal action by the UAMCC is what is needed for them to take the UAMCC serious?

The pwna has lied to all of us and is continuing to do so just like Robert Hinderliter has lied to us and is still lying to us and is doing what he wants with his organization that he owns (pwna), I bet most of the pwna members don't have a clue about this deal with the OC right now.

I would hate to see that it would take legal action from the UAMCC to stop the pwna in what they are doing to the industry and the contractors, contractors that pay their yearly fee to be a member of the pwna and contractors that don't want anything to do with the pwna, especially now with their constant lying to us, the OC, and their own pwna membership.

I think that with some legal action they will probably stop using the UAMCC logo and videos, maybe this is what it is going to take as I am sure they don't want the bad publicity and it being public knowledge that they are having legal action taken against the pwna for them using the UAMCC logo and videos without permission and after told not to do so.

What do you guys think?

How else do you stop an organization and Robert Hinderliter from doing this and constantly lying to us and their own members?
 
This is why an even faster response from Pwna would be in order, even if they deny the claims as already laid out by Allison. I see this was an entire miss understanding.

My question is why is a profit corporation doing industry business? Why is the Pwna corp think they represent the industry contractors?

If the Pwna is a not for profit please just clear the confusion an prove it.

Yes I'm suspect that the AHJ did miss-understand this, I'm suspect that they assumed things as well.

Since others are reading this such as ALlison are you aware the Uamcc has asked mr. Hinderliter & the Pwna to stop using our logos an likeness. This was ignored while in contact with these folks. John Nearon promised this would be removed from website. It's better but videos still remain. Why would someone use another org logo or want the association when asked to stop?

I think maybe it's time to post our official response an maybe if your saying Allison your not bought you might start asking tough question to your boss Paul horsely. Bod Pwna

There is someone at the Pwna who thinks they can just take anyone's logo as there property when they see fit.


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My guess is their hands are tied and can only do what the owner says.
 
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Since your a journalist assumptions are not lies. These happen when the obvious is before you. To assume-

I'll let you find the information yourself , you are set on a spin we all see it.

How about a statement or follow up interview with Robert? I've called him.

I even called him to give him the benefit of doubt. No call was returned.

I have Pwna directors on record they do not know anything. Did you bother to interview the president immediately. Maybe next time talk with the Pwna BOD and clarify they know what they are doing.

By the way interview anyone from my team. We have nothing to hide. Why because we are not caught up in deception.




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My guess is their hands are tied and can only do what the owner says.

While some may think Doug is making a joke here........I don't think he is.

Just look over the PWNA website........there is absolutely no mention of a Board of Directors....none, na-da, zip. They have forever had a page with Directors pictures and profiles. Now Nothing? Weird?

I also find it strange that there is no mention of being a "Non-Profit Organization" I thought they were. Every Non-profit Organization is proud to be such, and will never miss the opportunity to market this to the fullest......Also, don't you have to have a non-profit status to consult with AHJ's??? Weird huh?

Also strange is why the PWNA has not released a statement, apology, or the very least denied knowledge of what Robert was doing in this situation......Really Weird Huh?

Stranger is this quote from their website................."The PWNA is an organization that represents power washing contractors in the Power Washing industry. We represent all power washers, from aerospace cleaning, concrete cleaning, fleet washing, kitchen exhaust, wood restoration as well as everything in between."

Do they? Of course they don't...it's a wording trick...but for those that don't know, would think that they do.....Again Misrepresentation?............ You be the Judge.

Doesn't really matter at this point.....their reputation is shot.........And I truly feel bad for their Members....I mean that.
 
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