PWNA has changed the membership dues.

Clean County PW

Active member
Go to pwnabbs.org under the PWNA question and answer section to read more about it.


Hello Everone,
It is my pleasure to announce that the PWNA Board of Directors has just approved a revised dues structure for the organization. My personal thanks to the board for allowing this restucturing to finally take place.


Effective January 1, 2003, annual dues for PWNA members will be as follows:

Professional Membership / Contract Cleaner Firms

1. with gross Sales under $150,000...........$195.00
2. with gross Sales under $500,00.............$250.00
3. with gross Sales $1 million and under.....$350.00

Associate Membership,
Distributors, Suppliers, Manufacturers.........$399.00


Corresponding Membership
Organizations or individuals such as libraries, consultants, accounts, engineers.....................................$195.00

New members will be invited to join at these levels. Renewing members will begin paying dues at these levels for the 2003 dues.

This action is an outgrowth of an active board of leaders who have responded to suggestions and input from members, especially via the new Bulletin Board service as part of the PWNA website- www.pwna.org.

Thanks again

Chris Detter/ President PWNA
 
What about $1,000,000 and above?

Just thinking a few years ahead!

See ya,
Rick
 
That is the way to think Rick!!!!

I really dont think lowering the dues is going to boast membership.

But it does look more appealing!!!

Matt
 
Matt I feel otherwise, I feel it more would join and become active it will have the numbers to start getting what has been asked for years.

Just wondering if your a member or not? if not why not try it and see, go to one of their conventions.

Sure they cost money but what does not cost money?

Take Rick, that guy already has a few million, he just don't like admitting it.

What he does is price out new equipment he needs, then builds it himself and puts the difference in the bank.

Then his wife spends it.:D

Jon
 
Nothing will change, they have failed to see the true problem. I feel the problem is simple,the members don't have a incentive to buy and to participate in the process. Lets say for example the dues were $500 and the dealer/PWNA would rebate buying and show incentives to members that buy and continue the process. The member at the end of the year is rebated based on his buying and his activity. The member could for example get back $200 rebate or more.

The members are not part of the process-much of the dealing are done at a level that the membership is not welcome.

This suggestion on it's own isn't the answer, it should be a part of the buying process of the member and the vindor.
 
Here's another reason why an Organization can be helpful towards your business where it doesn't always come down to what do I get in cash value for the cash it cost me to be a member.

I took my post from PWN.



Good Question Charlie.

A Friend of mine owns a pool business and he also belongs to an organization that represents his type of business. I believe he pays around $500/yr to be a member. He wasn't always a member due to some of the same reasons that some here aren't a member of the PWNA.

His business this year grossed over $1,000,000 for the first time. Which brought me to ask him the question "Why did you rejoin the Organization that you first thought was a waste of time and money?"

His answer plain and simple was that through networking and belonging to a group of similiar like contractors and getting involved has really helped his business grow immensely over the last 3 years. Having fellow members support you and helping you out and sharing idea's etc. was according to my friend worth its weight in gold.

Sometimes its not just worth joining a group to get something in cash value that equals to your membership dues to consider it worth joining. Its the intangibles such as networking with fellow members and believing in each other that is worth a ton more then what the dues cost.

Some may never understand that just like the way my friend thought initially. Now that he meets with these people at conventions who share his beliefs in supporting one another his business has really grown.

Of course you have to put something into it to get something out of it which is the key.

This is my take on why Organizations can help your business bottom line which is $$$$.


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John T.
Clean County Powerwashing
www.cleancounty.com
 
Jon, To answer your question, no, would i join... maybe...

My problem is simple, would you buy something that would not give you a return, i think the answer would be no...

I ask you, are you a member?

Spending the money is part of problem, the other half is what are they going to give me in return... Just like everyone else, were not seeing a return on anything yet, so nobody joins...

Like clean county said and my friend said, it is worth it weight in gold if you join... But do I take the step to do it, no, I am just so pig headed that I want to see results not comments...

Matt
 
But do I take the step to do it, no, I am just so pig headed that I want to see results not comments

And therein lies the problem, not with you personally Matt but with all.

If people do not join and increase the membership it will never grow, growth is what brings in more and better deals.

Join, talk to your buddies and encourge them to join without the "what is in it for me" attitude.

What can I do for the PWNA in order to see it offer me more of what I want is how people need to look at it.

Nothing happens overnight, for 9 years not a lot happened, last year and the year before things started to change, new board members who want the same thing those that say what is in it for me took over, they are slowly making changes.

I bet it would work faster if the membership increases faster.

Look at it another way, you start a business, sit home all day and ask why is no one calling me?

Now go out and pass your card around, talk to your target market, go back and talk more and slowly your phone RINGS RINGS.

Want change, join, get involved, hit Chris, Mike, Doc, John and others on the head with a rubber mallet to get their attention then say I suggest this or that, how about we investigate it, see if it is possible for us to offer this to our membership.

Enough said.

Jon
 
David, buying groups

How about we stop talking and put together a advertising group? What do yah say?

I think it would work we could afford it and I believe it would be very cost effective.


If we had 40 people, that’s all we need. We could advertise monthly in other trade and popular magazines. 1000’s of distribution, these are mags and org. that individually would be out our reach.

Think about it before you say no and give me a call to talk about details. 6026942680
 
I will tell you what I will do, I will drop the pig headed attitude and join after the holidays.... If in one year, they do nothing, I put a good foot forward and help to promote... If I get nothing, thats it... That is why david will not join, he feels he got ripped...

So if I feel the same way, That is it I will not join again...

IF IT HAPPENS TO YOU ONCE, SHAME ON THEM.... IF IT HAPPENS TWICE, SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!


Matt

PS All people that are not pwna members, lets give it one year and see what happens... so if it does not move forward, we can put this baby to rest....what do you guys say, come on lets here it, these guys want to argue about it, give it to them to see what happens...
 
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sorry guys I tried not to post about this here but I just cant hold it any longer,

Jon , you did not answer the question ....... ARE YOU A MEMBER?

buying power >>>>>>>>>> BOLOGNA

spend 250.00 and lets see what happens? save your money buy a gift for somebody .

certification <<<<<< ON WHAT? HOW TO WASH >>>>>>>>>> ??

how is a certificate going to make that any better ?

you guys avoid all these questions ..

you think Im all about trouble...I am looking for answers that no-body seems to know . All I get is be a member then you will know b/c NOW WE HAVE #'S....... oh brother !

having that logo under my name isnt going to get me any more jobs .NOW WILL IT ? NO IT WONT >>>>>>>>>>

so being A member is WHAT? what did you say ?

BEING A MEMBER << is__________________ ?

I cant hear you ......... BEING A MEMBER IS ________________?

no-body has a answer ..... Once again all we hear is JOIN JOIN JOIN .....then you will see ............. bahhhhhhhh hum-bug ..

this is why you folks seem to think Im all about trouble ........ because I bring all the questions and all the negative thoughts into play . Now If you really want to join something that will benifit your business join the Chambers.... they offer much much more .............. and Im sure you guys already know all about the Chambers .............IT"S LOCAL ......

and if being in this business if you cant be buying all your supplies at a desent price then maybe you need to look harder .... you dont need a "club" to get a better rate.

go ahead knock this post all ya want ......... you still cant answer the questions ..

and when you do the re-plys are >>>>>>>>

IT"S NOT FOR EVERYBODY ........... no DUH maybe thats why there is only 300 members and it's 10 years old .........................go-figure.
 
Matt, first off I want you to understand as I said in the other post, I was not referring to you as pig headed, sure you said it but I was not replying about YOU being that.

My point was everyone wants to see the RESULTS before they are willing to join and help in bringing them about, it does not happen without others helping.

That does not mean you have to run for a position on the board, just offer whatever help you can or ask them "how can I help improve the PWNA".

I am sure the current board would find something that your good at to help them with.
 
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Jon, does that mean you are a member or not a member?


I dont think it would be a good "club'' to join if first you gotta spend money to see if it's going to work for you ..........meaning

if you gotta join something just to see what the "club" can do for us .....then it's not a very good club.

we should see results right away ..........and why shouldnt ya?

heck it's only money right?

does that mean that lets say we all join ............ there is some where around 300,000 p/wer contractors .....okay give or take)

we all join ..... now for that first year we didnt see any results does that mean we get our money back? no- need to answer that we all know the answer .....

but we I I I I I i am a bad bad guy for seeing it on the other side of the coin .

you guys who did join havent seen a whole lot of change sure in the last year maybe a lil . now you got your own BB .. I guess thats a change..

now that some has joined ........now you want others to join so you can get results of your investment..........

so tell me .............Why should we join again?
 
Jon, I know you did not call me pig headed.... Jon, I also am disapointed that you are not a member. why you ask, simple fact that you seem to push for this and you yourself have not made the move again, you yourself, seem to be looking for some change that does not happen... What are the true reasons you dont join, you being a senior member should have the buying power to the newbies... Just like in any gang, the senior members move forward by looking for prospects to bring in, that will move the club forward... these people dont get bigger by sitting back and letting any yahoo join just because they want to...

I also rated this thread at a average talk, why, because we have not gone forward, same song and dance...


Dan S, I feel you have ask some valid questions and you have not got your answers... I also feel that you would join again if you felt that these people would move forward....

I remember when I met the president of the pwna, who was that, Mike at the time... Did he take the time to talk to us, no, who did he have us talk to ... Somebody who was a asst. not a pwna member... did Mike come back and talk from his busy work schedule, yes and no, he came back, but to his office....
where am I going with this, Back to the gang senerio, potencial members, you talk, you make your move, not look at them and send someone else to do your talking... We had 8 potencial member that day or week... How many left with a membership to the pwna, BIG FAT 0, The people that run this group seem like they have no time... I am sorry but you have to take the time, just about the same amount of time it does to run a business...

I am sorry, but this subject is starting to rub me wrong so I will close for know....

One more thing where are the officers of the pwna, If someone was trying to run down my group, I would come in with fist a flying, not do a back stroke to a safer zone...


Matt
 
One more thing where are the officers of the pwna

Go here for a list their mug shots.

http://www.pwna.org/

Click memebership, then at top board of directors.

As to why they do not all come and post here more often and for a few of them not at all, good question and one that deserves an answer.
 
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Dan, I’m reluctant to ask you any question because of the manner you reply. Or answer your questions.

Here we go; I want to ask you a question first. (Please answer)

Do you know everything there is about washing trucks? (Because if you do I have some environmental questions I need answered.) And if you willing to help me I would appreciate your help.

Second question: you claim that all we can learn can happen right here on this BBS. Do you really believe that you can learn how to wash truck here? (I believe the only real way is to get out in the field and thru trial and error we can figure and way that best works for us.)

Dan, like your self some believe and appreciate having the network of having friends in and organization to help and assist them. I like the people I have met at the PWNA. I also see lots more on the horizon in the learning process. I have been doing this for 19 years and everyday I learn more. I also have opened my eyes to different fields and have seen opportunity’s to make more $$$$...


I help anyone that’s willing to listen and I would still help you if you wanted it.

Frankly Dan your beating the same drum. We realize that this organization is far from perfect. We know it’s been around ten Plus years and still has done hardly anything. In the last three or for months things have been changing and it’s looking up.

I would not be involved if I thought I was wasting my time. I believe if the folks at the top and until they let me down I’m committed to helping them.

Dan you have your opinion and I have mine. You and I are from different worlds and different ways of thinking. (We both share that we are humans and we both should respect each other and be humans) So I’m going to ask you Dan if you have some questions I will help you get the answers but please realize that it may be the answer that its not perfect and that many things are wrong and we are trying to fix them. We are human and the people running this organization for the last ten years have not been perfect and they probably won’t be for the next Tens years. We are trying to make sure they are going to make fewer mistakes. (Bank On that) Mistakes will be made. (Count on it)


Dan Take care<<<<


By the way this Post was about changing the Dues? Wasn’t it?
 
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