HD-80 Extreme Solutions

Nobody said you shouldn't shop local for your products. And just because most of these products are the same doesn't mean you don't need knowledgable people behind them.

Not everyone knows how to use these chemicals properly regardless if they are the same or not.

Service is a supplier taking care of there customers. All pretty much self explainatory! That goes for local or over the Internet :)

Hope that help Paul?
 
Ron,

I ASSUME Steven had Russell's product analyzed so he could make an accurate comparison in regards to Sodium Hydroxide content. (Steven would have to speak in regards to his intent.)
It seems when the chemist converted Russell's product from dry to liquid, he did not use enough dry product to obtain accurate test results (per Russell). Steven is re-testing so any comparison he makes between his product content and Russells product content is accurate (again I'm assuming from the posts I've read).

The testing is not proving anything except that Steven can accurately state how much Sodium Hydroxide is in his product vs. Russell's. (Anyone can correct me if I've misinterpreted.)


Ron, based on your comments:
"NOW, I could test both products not knowing anything about decks and after a few hours I could make the results come out anyway I wanted."
I can say with certainty that we don't want you testing either one of these products for US - you can test for yourself as long as you don't share the information.


Regards,
 
Timberland, I agree with what you said. The only reason I brought this thread up was the fact that I bought a product localy, the product worked better than I expected, and Russell was extremely helpful. In fact he even tried to get me to buy a certain product from another business because it would be much less expensive. Russell Cissel has my total respect and trust. You can't beat that at any price.
Thanks,
Bob Warfield
Restoration Specialties
 
Paul, That is exactly what we did. The results from the second test were the same as the first, just to remove any doubt.That is all I stated and I sent Russell the results. Also for the record, I have been spraying stains and stripping wood for about 30 years. That would be since some of those reading these post were very small children so that I hope should remove any doubt of my knowledge. However this business was started in 1995. If all products were the same we would all be driving a Model A Ford. Also for the record I ran the test because HD-80 is a good product, if it wasn't there would be no need for me to compare it. I harbor no ill feelings against anyone, never meant to.
 
Me and Russell don't talk much if any. Maybe a few times a few years ago. But I will say this. I have always heard good things about him :)
 
Paul, you get the point… you need a third party. No one is going to buy anyone’s story when these guys have and interest in the products. I trust both guys but I have known both for awhile. Remember there are a lot of strangers looking in and if I were new to this BBS or the web and did not know that both these guys have a great reputation I would not believe one over the other.

Bill 3752said it even made him un-easy, does that mean I want them to stop? I just wanted someone to explain if Steve’s were accurate would this mean that Hd 80 is not a good product?


Who is right and who is wrong does right or wrong matter?


Sum what I have gotten; Steve says the product tests one way, Russell said Steve is mistaken is his testing. (If I’m wrong then I’m mistaken) Steve has said the test came back with the same results. Couldn’t they simply post these results?

Could ten people do the test and give the results. Would that be a nightmare?


We have a misunderstanding going and it should be cleared up if possible. It’s a dollars ISSUE, if it was my product I would be upset about any misrepresentation. (I sure there was no malice intent by anyone.)
 
Yeah, but the thing is, there is more to Russ's product than just Sodium Hydroxide. All the ingredients are active and he has said there is another that gives it the kick it has.

Ron, thank you very much for the kind words. :)

Steve, can you post some photos of your chem in action? I am dying to see how well it works. To me, if it saves you time, it makes you money, and we all want to do that! Thaat's why I put the HD-80 photos up. Kinda like show and tell.

Beth
 
It took stepping away from the discussion over the weekend to realize why Stephen and I were not seeing eye to eye. Even before I saw the results of the second test Monday I knew what they would say.

From the beginning I was thinking in terms of formulation (job hazard I guess). My mind was stuck on the ingredients that went into the formula. When I said that HD-80 is 20%+ Sodium Hydroxide what I was saying is that if you weigh all of the ingredients that go into the formula the sodium hydroxide would make up over 20% of the weight.

Stephen was speaking in terms of the caustic level of the solution. His solution is nearly one point higher on the pH scale which does make it more chemically "hot."

RON-

I don't think the quality of either product was ever in question. A pH level does not make or break a product. Sodium hydroxide is not a magic bullet, it is a tool that works well in many situations. Take a look at the ingredients on the back of a tube of Crest tooth paste.

Though I have never tried them I am sure that Stephen's products work well.

Best of Luck

Russell
 
Folk,

General Statement:

I know for a fact that I do not agree with most people at one time or another and visa versa. However, that does not mean that I have a dislike for them (especially on these BB's). I know NOTHING about anyone on these boards but what they write.
I speak my mind when I post (without trying to be insulting) but emphasize with examples to get my point(s) accross.
I try to be as factual as possible and even refer to references to ensure I don't provide incorrect information.
There are times when it's only an opinion that I have based on my experiences and usually tell you it's my opinion or this is what works for me. If anyone has felt I've offended them, it was unintentional. If you are not certain what I mean by a remark you can ask.

I do not believe any mud has been slung by Russell, Beth or Steven and I have no mud under my finger nails.

I'm not offended so - If you don't care for my posts and opinions let me know and I'll get out of the way. I can learn by listening or moving onto other fields. I don't like wasting my time or anyone else's.

Regards,
 
Paul....
Don't you DARE go anywhere. Stick around. I don't think the parties involved think anyone was slinging mud, I think perhaps there was the one perception of it from what we have seen.

Nobody called anyone a name or had to stand in the corner or clap erasers or anything......

Beth:)
 
Well, Paul......it certainly does take time to read your posts.........but its is almost always a worthwhile contribution, and we all appreciate it.
 
Paul,

This is exactly what the bb's are for, open discussion and sharing of viewpoints. We all benefit from these types of discussions. I could only hope that more discussions take place. We all have our little bag of tricks and sharing this info only benefits us all.

Keep posting, it IS worthwhile, share your views. We need your input and others and be opon about them.

Reed
 
Good Folks,

I've enjoyed my stay tremendously. Everyone of you that have responded to my last post have
contributed considerably to my education (directly and indirectly).
(No manipulation intended, only admiration.)

Keep up the great work, …and “Thank You!”

Mike,
If I respond, will my post be too long? (Kidding)

Ron,
I guess having quit smoking 3 times labels me with an addictive personality.
Lets face it, good people and good information are addictive.

Beth,
In my youth, kneeling on a corncob in the corner wasn't considered corpral punishment -
I was a quick learn, only 1 stint on the corncob.

Reed,
I agree completely with your 1st paragraph and I believe many others do also.


Regards,
 
Response to RonMus,


You asked a couple posts back if Steve's info was correct, does this mean that hd80 is not a good product??


The only thing Steve was testing was the amount of Naoh in the two products, and that will not make or break a product. For instance, if i mix 8oz. of HD80 to one gallon of water, and I also mix 16oz. of straight Naoh to one gallon of water, Russ's product will run circles around the straight Naoh. Basically, it takes more than Naoh concentrations to make a product work well.

As far as whether or not it works well, I'll just say this: I have no need to try other products. HD80 works all the time, every time. For me to even consider using another product, it would have to work as well and cost considerably less. I don't think it would be possible for a product to work better than hd80, because it always works. And it works fast. And it works cheap. And it is packaged efficiently. After all, you can only strip something so good.

jon
 
Something else to know about hd 80, it worked very well for me this past March when the temperature was in the 40's. Just doubled the dwell time and I had no problems.

Hd80 works and works well at different strengths too.


Reed
 
Stripped a deck with it today in the pouring rain. Worked like a charm. It wasn't a terribly difficult finish to remove in the first place, but it's nice to have a product that you can kick up a notch when necessary.
 
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