How about the outsourcing of the education program?

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
PWNA is bidding out the certifications programs. Do any member or non-members have opinions.

I realize that Board members cant respond. I was wondering if anyone else with a free mind thought could respond and give and opinion.

Keep in mind that this affects current certifications and the way they will be looked at in teh future.
 
Hey Ron,

I fully support what the PWNA is doing with bidding out the certification programs. I would even like it if I wasn't on the BOD. I think it's important for the org to provide the best training, benefits and guidance that it can for it's members.
 
When any company or business makes a decision there is always careful consideration first. Peronally, I'm looking forward to seeing what others may bring to the organization in other types of power washing training. It will also enable the PWNA to ensure that it's giving the members the best there is in training and education.
 
The highest bidder? I can't speak for everyone but the main goal as I understand it, is to get the best training and certification program for the membership.

I don't know if one company, or many companies will be applying to offer their training programs. At this point, the only thing I know is were accepting applications from PWNA member companies. I'm not even involved in the process of it so I really can't give any information on it beyond what I've said. I'd suggest contacting Paul he knows more about this than I do.
 
That's incorrect... The PWNA is allowing any member to submit a bid package to provide a power washing related course for the PWNA. If someone wants to, they can apply for all of the courses, or just one that they specialize in.


Edited to make my comment clearer..
 
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Being on this committee that is chaired by Mark Hatten I just want to add that the bidding for these PWNA Certification classes will not be soley based on who has the highest bid. Some of the qualifications for the winning bidder are--Are they a reputable company, Will they follow the guidelines that we set forth, Whats there course of action in doing the classes that they won, How will they promote these classes..etc.etc. So its not soley based on price.

Also the winning bidder for each class will have a certain time frame to pay-up and if thats not met then this opportunity may be passed on to others that submitted a bid.

There are 14 classes that where offering up for bidding and they can be won individually or in groups. Also the deadline to bid for these classes has passed which was February 3rd.
 
The idea was to put out the bid to vendors and PWNA members for review and submittal of their coursework and plan of implementation. We are keeping a VERY open mind in regards to what we receive. This is a process, and the process should be allowed to take it's course. We should really wait and see what is submitted and review with a very open mind. It is important that we keep the members needs first. If company A has a better plan than company B in the same area we should go with A, if however, company B has a better plan in another area than company A we should look at the bid for that course. Again, the main purpose of this is to be able to offer courses in ALL areas of the industry for education. The PWNA should have this as a main function and be a "partner" in the successes of pressure washing businesses. The reason for reaching out to vendors is their dollars and efforts into research and development. There is a lot of information and coursework out there. We want to be able to offer the best there is in any particular niche of the industry. Another key is that we would like the course material to be generic so that is not favored to any one individual or company, fair for one and fair for all. If someone is still willing to submit some material for consideration there is still time as we will be reviewing these at our face-to-face board meeting in Memphis on Feb. 20-21. If anyone is interested in attending this meeting please just contact me. Thank you.
 
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Henry Bockman said:
That's incorrect... The PWNA is allowing any member to apply to become a trainer for our existing courses(except hood cleaning), or new ones. If someone wants to, they can apply for all of the courses, or just one that they specialize in.

I haven't seen anything about applying to become a trainer for an existing program....is this separate from the invitation that we received to provide our prepared coursework for approval?

Can you clarify if there are two separate application processes going on - one to submit a full course to be approved by the PWNA and/or one to apply as a trainer to provide others to teach the already-in-place PWNA classes?

Celeste
 
I believe Henry didn't type enough of an explanation or the posting is incorrect in that context. I know Henry did not mean it in that way. The current environmental course is taught and owned by Robert Hinderliter, Phil Ackland has the Kitchen Exhaust, and the Wood is by the PWNA. What we are looking for is to expand the areas of education as per the bid. These can be submitted as a company or as an individual for training. The PWNA is not looking to bring on trainers at this time. Again, we are going to review the submissions and make appropriate decisions from there. Sorry for any confusion.
 
Everett

I am glad to see you in this thread, you can certainly help to clear up some confusion I have. I don't fully understand some of the statements that were made, could you please elaborate on the following.

Thanks

Russell

If company A has a better plan than company B in the same area we should go with B, if however, company B has a better plan in another area than company A we should look at the bid for that course.


If company "A" has the better plan, why would the PWNA select company "B"?


The current environmental course is taught and owned by Robert Hinderliter, Phil Ackland has the Kitchen Exhaust, and the Wood is by the PWNA. What we are looking for is to expand the areas of education as per the bid.

The PWNA is not looking to bring on trainers at this time.

Remove nonessential words and that statement says to me. . .The Wood Course is taught by the PWNA and the PWNA is not looking for any new trainers. Does this mean that the PWNA is no longer interested in bids for the wood restoration course?

Thanks again
 
Perhaps I made it more confusing. It is this in a nutshell, the PWNA is a new dry sponge that is currently accepting and reviewing bids for education with an open mind. We will "soak" in all the information and make appropriate decisions from there. There have been NO decisions made on which company or companies are to be teaching what. My point was to be that if a company does not receive the bid in one area does not mean it won't in another area. I hope this clears it up as too much is being read into the process at this time. Basically it is simple, if any person or company has a course they would like us to review for consideration we would be happy to entertain those ideas. Obviously there will be more weight given to those who are already members and support the organization through dues and other efforts. We are however looking for quality and the decision is not merely a "low bid" proposal.

This probably answers your second question as well. If you review the bid you were given you will see Wood Restoration is on the bid. We certainly would not look for trainers if the course was out for bid. This would indicate that a decision had already been made and that we were keeping our current format and bringing on trainers. This may in fact be an option however that would put the horse in front of the cart.

I hope that is clearer for you and others who are reading the thread. Thank you for asking as there really needs to be no confusion on the process.
 
We certainly would not look for trainers if the course was out for bid. This would indicate that a decision had already been made and that we were keeping our current format and bringing on trainers.

This is clear as mud. Can you rephrase it please? If it is out for bid, it indicates you are in fact looking for trainers and/or a program. Otherwise why look at all? And I too would think if A is better than B then A should be chosen, not B.

Beth
 
Forget Company A and Company B as I stated I made it more confusing. It is really clear and posted correctly in the bid.

Perhaps this is better:

"The PWNA is expanding our educational offerings to include all areas of the industry. We are accepting bids that meet the details outlined in the bid request."

PWNA is not hiring trainers at this time and we are looking at ALL proposals and options submitted with an open mind.
 
FYI

I have edited the following statement and corrected it above. This is what it should have read. Again sorry for the confusion but I do think it is clear what we are doing at this time.

If company A has a better plan than company B in the same area we should go with A, if however, company B has a better plan in another area than company A we should look at the bid for that course.
 
I have another question. If the PWNA is not hiring trainers, does that mean that any "training program" that is selected will not be taught by the company who bid it? This is where I am unclear.

Beth
 
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