PWNA, Professional mediation

PWNA, Professional mediation



I wonder if a mediator might help fix problems.

Since the inception of the PWNA and all the good people it has had involved they deserve a chance to mend the wrong and the rights.

Since I have been a member of this org I have had round table events started this BBS help admin the PWNA bbs and created and supported the first online forum for the organization.

Many people have given time and effort for cause. It’s a shame now that all we can see is a few disgruntled people not trying to keep both sides positive but wishing them both DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!

I have said that many have supported at one time or another. I have seen mistakes made and people get upset. Its time to fix the problem, this cannot be good for either party, right or wrong.

We as the people and business men in the industry need to pick up your key board and write suggestions to the president and say get this resolved.

The conclusion must be fixable, both sides want something? What is it?

The way I see things is that the founder was pushed aside by new thinking BOD members.

I can only assume that this was upsetting and I would be upset if I where in his shoes.

I recall others that claim they felt the same way after doing countless hours helping the org. Myself I have felt used and really did not want to volunteer any longer.

We are talking about the father of the org. in this situation, not Ron Musgraves or any other persons. It’s the founder of the org.

Can we give advice on how this could be rectified? Ideas not attack asking for resignations. Remember right or wrong these are people that have donated time.

No one that volunteers should be treated this way from either side.


The question here is how could the two parties’ fix the problem between them?

1. Both sides hire a mediator to help resolve.
2. Open communication channels on there own.
3. One of the parties’s give in and take the deal.


I truly believe the founder should and always be involved in org he or she has started.

Its kind of makes the Robert Hindiliter award not have any merit. Some make think this is funny, I see no humor from both parties’.

So what positive response could you put down, does anyone have and intelligent suggestion? A reasonable suggestion?

I would be very disapointed if no one could answer, its doesnt matter who you like or dislike.

Pretend its your children and you want them to resolve there problems. as adults we all want that.

Ron,

Why don't you contact both parties and offer to mediate?? I think that is a good idea, and would be fair. You could call youself, "Alliance Mediation Services"LOL, Alright, sorry, low-blow I actually know a log home conflict mediator that would probably be as good for a situation like this as anyone else you'd find.

Jon, I would never even think of being mediator. Do you have a suggestion on how they might resolve?

How about they allow the founder to particpate for free for two years until Aliance has to bid again.

Why not have Delco as PWNA certifiers? they are the founders.

Ron Musgraves said:

Jon, I would never even think of being mediator. Do you have a suggestion on how they might resolve?

How about they allow the founder to particpate for free for two years until Aliance has to bid again.

Why not have Delco as PWNA certifiers? they are the founders.

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Why not have it mediated by Apple Roof Cleaning ?
I am NOT involved in the Pressure Cleaning Industry.

Hey, just kidding.
Trying to make the point an unbiased mediator would seem to be in order here ?

In my mind/POV, there is a serious ethical dilemma going on at pwna, and without that being corrected, it will make two-party negotiations difficult. I was actually thinking on this last night, and I actually think what needs to take place is a Coup D' Etat within the PWNA.

I think ethics could always be questioned?

What exactly is different now? Now we have the chance ourself to open the frontier on eduction. I think its a shame Delcos not a part. Your right this was not ethical.

Did they shut them out? I recall they say they allowed the Bid. No bid was submitted was what i understood.

So do we leave the door open, I mean if PWNA really wants to move fairly into the future then working with Delco University is a must.

Ethics have already been questioned, I assume if anything was not legit someone would have already went to jail.

So if all where legal, the question still stands, what will it take for the two to move forward.

You maybe suggest a resigning? WHO the entire BOD?

Well, i'm doubtful thats happening, Unlike Robert giving his business away. Probably not a chance.

What if publically a mediator had some ideas. resignation usally is a last ditch effort.

Jon, thanks for the thoughts. have another please respond.

Someone here has and idea, the answer. It has always seemed to be the place to resolve ideas. BBS can be positive and not negative.

Again, forget about the freinds and help these two kids on the playground work out the difference.

All will read this thread, they all tune in here.

I will moderate this for a small fee as long as I can bring Chris and Russ along to keep the money changers in line.

Hello Ron,

Since I'm not allowed to visit the PWNA site, I'm not up to speed about what is going on! I have not been a member for many years.

Would someone care to enlighten me?

Dave Olson

cgibson said:

I will moderate this for a small fee as long as I can bring Chris and Russ along to keep the money changers in line.

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I have heard that opinion, I could say i don't excactly disagree.

However, should Delco be allowed to reap benifits? I say founders deserve to have some perks. Should they be exclusive? NO

Ok Chris, what would you suggest at your first sit down? Both shut up and give you 10%.LOL

Dave Olson said:

Hello Ron,

Since I'm not allowed to visit the PWNA site, I'm not up to speed about what is going on! I have not been a member for many years.

Would someone care to enlighten me?

Dave Olson

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Delco did not bid on new education programs, therefore they are not involved in education with the PWNA any longer.

They also are dsiputing about the domains and other things that do not belong to the PWNA.

Happy New year DAVE, its a few months away. I'll be seeing yah. Moms better so I'l be visiting in a few weeks. early Feb.

The problem is when a organization is started or runned by people that sell products and hold classes to benifit there pockets it is a conflict of interest. In Wisconsin we have a pest control association and it is runned by pest control operators, not business's that sell products. The people on the board want to better educate the other pest control operators with proper education on how and better serve there clients.

People there is enough business for every one.

So to sum it up the business's that sell products to other contractors should not be allowed on the board of a organization.


Charlie

cgibson said:

I will moderate this for a small fee as long as I can bring Chris and Russ along to keep the money changers in line.

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i am in i will get my security t-shirt from when i was a bouncer at "CLUB LaVELA" IN PANAMA CITY

Clearly, the first thing that needs to get curbed is the posturing. I think mediation would be a great idea - only problem I see (and I do have some experience in family mediation) is that for mediation to work, there has to be a desire ON BOTH SIDES to come to an amicable resolution. I haven't seen any indication that this is present at this time.

Celeste

you are right Celeste ,if neither party is willing to give to get you are wasting your time ,they need to be willing to reconsile there differences for the good of the industry .......IMHO

I think that negotiations would be possible - it does seem like RH has valid requests.....there are things that are required by law to be provided so what he is asking for is not unreasonable. What frustrates me I think more than anything is that the PWNA is not responding again to their MEMBERSHIP. I don't even mean posting either. All communications have stopped - mail a long time ago, and even emails now. They are supposed to be holding elections 30 days prior to convention yet the nominating committee hasn't been announced so folks aren't even ON the ballot???

Celeste

Did they shut them out? I recall they say they allowed the Bid. No bid was submitted was what i understood.

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A bid was submitted.

Celeste

Why should Robert budge! He started it and as smart as that man is pwna should be proud to work with him.

Where I grew up, If you dont roll with them, They will roll over you. Good Luck and I bet Robert ends up on top.

Matt