update on super sucker

The Cleaner

The Cleaner

Vetran Washer 30 Years Plus
I had to draw chemical thru 300ft of hose today. I had a big sidewalk job at a condo complex for a property maintenance company we do work for. I could barely smell the love at 300ft, It is rated to pull up to 500ft? i guess that was an estimate? when i took off 100ft it worked fine? I hate when **** dont do whats it supposed to do.:mad:
 
What gun did you use?
 
The Cleaner said:
I had to draw chemical thru 300ft of hose today. I had a big sidewalk job at a condo complex for a property maintenance company we do work for. I could barely smell the love at 300ft, It is rated to pull up to 500ft? i guess that was an estimate? when i took off 100ft it worked fine? I hate when **** dont do whats it supposed to do.:mad:
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Who makes the super sucker that sound like it sucks.

I'm sure it works nick, maybe your flow was bad or the tip was wrong?
 
I had it hooked to a 8gpm with a chemical tip which was brand new also? this thing came with different size orifices and i went with the one sugested by the vendor. I dont see how the gun or wand would have anything to do with the draw?
 
Some guns have smaller oriffice inside than others. I buy ST1500's for this very reason. My draw rate is better than most with just a General High Draw Injector. We rarely use more than 250 ft though. Never tried the SSS. Jarrod like his with 300 feet of hose.
 
ST1500 here, also.
 
I have the 5.6gpm 3000 machine and have pulled housewash through 400 feet of hose using the General Hi Draw injector many times. I have not needed the Super Sucker yet.

I guess when you use the 8gpm machine it makes a difference.

Since more and more companies are using the bigger gpm machines, I would think that maybe the manufacturers would make injectors that would draw for those machines.

Anyone have connections with the manufacturers to have a chat with them?

I know I will need some soon when I start downstreaming with 8gpm.
 
Russ,

Hopefully you can answer this.

I have heard for years this thing about the gun orifice size will restrict the amount of draw when downstreaming.

My thoughts have always been, as long as the gun orifice is larger than the tip size it should not matter. And if you are using a gun rated for your flow/psi the orifice is large enough.

Agree ?, or am I missing something.
 
Any reduction in back pressure promotes good suction at the injector. Most guns rated at 8 to 10 gpm offer little restriction, so there should be no problem as long as the gun is in good shape. As the actuator rod wears, trigger travel will reduce, altering the clearance of the ball off the seat.

I have seen balls of varying sizes for sale but a larger ball won't really help, I don't think. Regardless of the ball diameter, the hole in the seat remains the same. So, geometrically speaking, lifting a sphere of a different size off the hole would probably not change total opening area much, if at all. Besides, the bore in the valve section of the gun remains the same. How much can you gain, without closing off the diameter of the bore with a larger obstruction. More lift would actually help a little more, I believe. The ideal gun would have zero free play before engagement, allowing more trigger travel.

Now the larger capacity guns (20 - 25 GPM) have much larger passages overall, the inlet pipe, the guts and valving in the gun, and a larger outlet pipe.
 
Try changing the orifice in the SSS to the orifice one size smaller than is recommended, as well as changing the gun.
 
Talkin about the Alison right?..Just got one. Think they say not to do the downsized orifice method with the suds sucker..
Without taking the orifice jet out of either the Suds sucker or the Hi draw I'd say they look to be the same make orifice. If so, and if one works better then certain design aspects such as the tapering after the orifice or the bore size of the uptake/check valve area must play key role.
 
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