EPA Enforcement in 2012 Protects Communities From Harmful Pollution

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I hope that in the future leaning about Enviro & Safety are Free at the UAMCC for the industry not just members. This is how we will build a larger awareness and force to be recognized.

Do you realize if you didn't charge the obligation you might build to your customers?

At age 80 I'm trying to teach you this? Well maybe one day you will figure this out, you sell to us. Why not truly give back if your lifes work is saving the planet.

I know this I will continue to give back to this industry what I have gotten. I'm thankful for all those who believe in returning the knowledge and understand how strong sharing it can be.
 
Tony- up to what psi and GPM is the ceiling for "Low Impact Cleaning" in Vegas?

In the Vegas parking lot BMP it says it's for rinsing and the run off can not even hit any oil deposits on the pavement. What do you do there when all the parking spaces that are used there is almost always oil stains and your Powerwashing them?(We won't even discuss degreasers) Is it acceptable to allow that to spill off in a landscape area is there is even one there?

(Sorry for pestering you with parking garage type questions but Ron told me yesterday on the phone I should take a parking garage cleaning class from you)
 
Ron Musgraves said:
http://www.powerwashcommunity.com/t...onmental-Certification-Schedule-Now-Available!

I hope that in the future leaning about Enviro & Safety are Free at the UAMCC for the industry not just members. This is how we will build a larger awareness and force to be recognized.

Do you realize if you didn't charge the obligation you might build to your customers?

At age 80 I'm trying to teach you this? Well maybe one day you will figure this out, you sell to us. Why not truly give back if your lifes work is saving the planet.

I know this I will continue to give back to this industry what I have gotten. I'm thankful for all those who believe in returning the knowledge and understand how strong sharing it can be.
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I'm sorry I missed Jerry's certification class/test last year when he was on the east coast. I don't recall it being free?
What's up your sleeve Ronnie??
 
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Clean County PW said:
I'm sorry I missed Jerry's certification class/test last year when he was on the east coast. I don't recall it being free?
What's up your sleeve Ronnie??
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Jerry isn't claiming this was done for contractors, he is not representing us for alleged 20 years. I will even contest 20 years that Roberts been doing this, why because I was around when Kendra was developing the original PWNA program.

There's no Doubt Robert has accomplishments , they are just not as our industry advocate. I do not even think he accepts that tittle because he knows that if he had then maybe he wouldn't sleep right.
 
Robert Hinderliter said:
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Robert you do know it can be challenged pretty easily, the science doesn't hold up. If it does show us the test and the science backing up this. I would like to see the reference you used for this argument.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Jerry isn't claiming this was done for contractors, he is not representing us for alleged 20 years. I will even contest 20 years that Roberts been doing this, why because I was around when Kendra was developing the original PWNA program.

There's no Doubt Robert has accomplishments , they are just not as our industry advocate. I do not even think he accepts that tittle because he knows that if he had then maybe he wouldn't sleep right.
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Yes I remember Kendra well. Remember her pictures with her guns(as in hand Gun) in the desert? Tony would have been floating on a cloud if he seen them... There in here somewhere..

I also Remember she wrote an 800page book on Environmental cleaning.. Track her down Ron and get her to respond here.
 
Clean County PW said:
Yes I remember Kendra well. Remember her pictures with her guns(as in hand Gun) in the desert? Tony would have been floating on a cloud if he seen them... There in here somewhere..

I also Remember she wrote an 800page book on Environmental cleaning.. Track her down Ron and get her to respond here.
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You will Laugh at that one, She is posting the docs Free that the PWNA was trying to sell here for 50.00 dollars
 
Hey Ron--Kendra's words about passing the liability on your customer-- IE gas stations

"Probably what frustrated me the most about the article is his blanket assumption that by putting the liability back on the customer you have covered your rear. That is absolutely BS! And that in his discussions with the many agencies he has apparently talked to, they have agreed that no one will really be prosecuted. I beg to differ. I am even more surprised that Cleaner Times would actually publish that! Regardless of the disclaimer. I guess I am dissapointed, because I thought they were a more reputable publication than that. This is strictly his OPINION. "
 
Ron-- your response
"I don’t mean to be devil advocate, LOL OK anyway, when it really boils down to facts, the property owner is liable for the clean up. now with that being said its ultimately making the owner find someone responsible. We know this doesn’t happen, we know the contractor can be liable too. But what is the real percentage of responsibility? 100% 50%

Face it a reasonable responsible person would say 100% percent both party’s. What does the law really dictate?"
 
Kendra's response to you
"Ron,

I again beg to differ. The odds of being presectued civily are for greater than criminal.If you read the citizen provision of the clean water act, you will find that ANYONE can sue you for violating any environmental laws. This is Federal, not state. And the Regional EPA offices ad local municipalities will actually fine under administrative law, rather than criminal. It is faster, less time consuming, and gets the point across. They do not have to go through the court system that way. They can issue an NOV, catch you one more time, and asses penalties and fines. They can even charge you for restitution. The liability game here, is 100% for BOTH parties. Regardless of who told who to do it. Now, the odds again will be greater that the customer will get fined heavier than the contractor. Strictly based on the gross profits. They will hit you just as hard, but because the income level is lower it doens't relly mattter. The impact is the same. And even after the contractor may have been fined, the customer, if they so decide could still sue the contractor civilly, if they can prove "Reasonably should have known" better. I have lived and breathed this for the last 4 years. I know how the game is played. At least here in Southern California. I can't speak for the rest of the country."
 
You response back to Kendra... All this in 2001.
"Maybe I didn’t say what I meant to say. I just wanted others to know it’s not always about the fines. its can be a criminal problem and you can go to jail.

Kendra, I never doubt your ability on this issue, this is your baby and I know you are way more familiar with this than I ‘am."
 
Then Ron you were talking about guys going to jail-- today your talking about it's the properties who will be held accountable and us contractors can blame them..

I love ya Ronnie baby but man can you go from one way to another like a light switch.. Or more like Movie..then 5 yrs later a Part II is made that's all different then 5 yrs later part III is made different again..etc etc etc..
 
You see John I will never get prosecuted for cleaning up pollution, how ever your mistaken.

If a property owner has pollutants on property and someone hauls them off they will be responsible for the pollution.

Second if a Rain event takes there pollution off property I will not be help liable ever. ( provided I did not ad pollutants)

No off property discharge is the most Responsible method if practiced.

Now if your talking you create pollution and pollute a property I say string you up by your shorts.

If I carry the pollution off property and I haul or dispose of illegally of course I will charged for criminal and possible restitution for damages.
 
The one who was on target then.....hello.... Scott Stone.....
You are the MC Ron.... You want to call that the advocate today... Good luck and have fun. Those guys are real serious and are brainiacs....

Here look at this link Ron http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/tp/Five-Longest-Filibusters.htm
This is a debate on the Senate floor. To stall it to get your way is called a Filibuster. This is not BMP talk but these are think tank brains(some people may say brainless)
Look at who's #2. Alphonse Damato can light up a room. Alot of these senator type can... But some of these guys can talk forever to get there points across and there brains....

You want that?

Robert can go on forever on this topic... You want to be an advocate??

I say your an MC.... But you or Tony want to be an advocate then get Robert to help you.. Put Robert on the Senate floor type scenario if they want to talk smack... He'll hit them with so much information(intelligence) This Industry will be more of a force to be noticed...
 
Ron Musgraves said:
The great thing about those threads is that it proves some have been active in the industry longer than others.
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Yup.. And look at the arguments then...and look where we are today... I agree with Tony on this... Where not much better off..

You know me Ron...I tend to turn on multiple computers at a time. This IPad is great because now I can turn on 9 sites at once with PWI on 5 different screens now so I can review past post..

What I see is a ton of guys out of business...long gone. Some left the net but most of these guys are gone. I also see Scott Stone, you and a very few others talking EPA stuff then and are still talking about it today.. Kendra's business went bust. She was selling her rig then that had it all.. She it seems got pushed out by over regulation.. Boy would she be in for a rude awakening today.. Those Regulations got worse..

All along at least back to 98 when I found the net the one constant in here was and still is Robert.. He is your information hwy who gives ideas.. Not rules... BMP's are what they are... There guidelines and not law(don't hold me completely accountable on that because they may be intertwined thru scripture)
 
Here's your shocker Ron or anyone else reading this....and I'm learning thru the net so I'm not the authority here..
There's BMP's GRANT APPLICATION FORMS for each state.. This is one of the things you Ron since your the president of a non profit should look in on.. This is the direction that all you guys should work towards..

Hello... Welcome to your Gov't agencies.. Work the system not your industry.
 
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