Create an Organization for the masses

Clean County PW

Clean County PW

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Just pounding some idea's. There are so many organizations that are aimed for a specific groups such as the Ceta organization Cleaning Equipment Trade Association that is not for the end user but more for the Distributors and Manufacturers. A newer org such as The Grease Police The Grease Police is for the Hood Cleaner contractors and there distributors.

Other people are looking to start local groups for there State or area such as Celeste with PWNC There all good idea's.

The national idea from my experiences is still a good idea for educational purposes for Approved and if insured correctly for Certification Classes. I see how that is important and I am not knocking by no means groups that want to stay within there geographical area's of employment. If one was to ever spring up in NY I would look into it for my business.

So what I'm getting at is there a way to have a national org. that has more to offer besides for the Distributors/Manufacturers but for the every day contractor that is not a newbie?? Is there a way to have booths not only for the Distributors/Manufacturers but also for the Contractors to draw potential jobs from?? Is there a way to draw the Property managers to go to these type conventions to not so much see what the equipment being sold to the end user would be but for them to see some Demo's and to also stop by a booth to look for potential contractors to sign up?? I can't not yet think of a way to make this work for Residential only washers since a Convention would be maybe only once a year in a select state. Doesn't mean that can't work also.

So is it possible to have an org. that could draw so many more contractors that all could benefit tremendously from??

Could there be a plan in place to make this happen??

In case anyone is wondering...no I do not have a plan on how to make this work. Besides $$$$$ always being needed I wonder if a plan could be implemented to bring this to fruition.

There is down sides if this could work. One of them could be upsetting other Organizations. Communication would have to be a top priority to keep many doors opened for alliances and more importantly to keep Progress moving in the RIGHT direction.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Local orgs will work and the future will be told.
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Thats why I can see local orgs such www.pwnc.org working. The only problem I see with an local org is built around there education classes. To get there classes out there where they could be used as "Approved" or better yet "Certified"(Which needs special insurance for that which runs around $5000/yr they have a better chance to do that thru a nationwide org.

ALLIANCE need to be done. Lets say a new national org comes into play then once again the WWW.PWNC.org should be able to have the ability to join the new org and get Certification and with that on approval of there group they should be allowed to teach those classes with a % to go back to the national org. Also if this was to happen Celeste may have to look into getting Certification coverage in case one of here teachers get sued from a student who blinded himself stripping with Sodium hydroxide. There is so much to consider and to cross all the T;s and dot the i to get to this phase.

Maybe Individual local groups can have an alliance with other orgs even there still separate. With these Alliances the solo orgs can have a teacher taught thru the national org and once he has his certificate and also make him go thru the certification teaching school and now these solo orgs have the teacher they need. These are just banging out more ideas.
 
Clean County PW said:
Thats why I can see local orgs such www.pwnc.org working. PWNC is NOT an organization.The only problem I see with an local org is built around there education classes. Education is at the discretion of the contractor - we (PWNC) are not offering certifications.To get there classes out there where they could be used as "Approved" or better yet "Certified"(Which needs special insurance for that which runs around $5000/yr they have a better chance to do that thru a nationwide org. Again, the PWNC is not offering certification classes therefore this is a moot point.

ALLIANCE need to be done. Lets say a new national org comes into play then once again the WWW.PWNC.org should be able to have the ability to join the new org and get Certification and with that on approval of there group they should be allowed to teach those classes with a % to go back to the national org. Also if this was to happen Celeste may have to look into getting Certification coverage in case one of here teachers get sued from a student who blinded himself stripping with Sodium hydroxide. There is so much to consider and to cross all the T;s and dot the i to get to this phase. Again, this is entering an area that is not even on our play chart at this time. The PWNC is not about educating contractors, it is about networking colleagues.

Maybe Individual local groups can have an alliance with other orgs even there still separate. With these Alliances the solo orgs can have a teacher taught thru the national org and once he has his certificate and also make him go thru the certification teaching school and now these solo orgs have the teacher they need. These are just banging out more ideas.
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John, I get that you think and type on the fly - lots of times that's how things get thought out. I think that you don't understand the purpose of the PWNC, which is actually okay since you're in NY and what our contractor affiliation does in the Carolinas doesn't even affect you. I'm not trying to tell you to mind your own business, however, when you toss out speculations about something that you have very limited knowledge of, it remains that - speculation. When the PWNC is ready to and chooses to put our business on the forums, we will. For now and for those outside of the Carolinas, the PWNC can simply be viewed as a service that is being provided to Carolinas contractors. Respect this business and do not make implications that it is something that it is not.

Thanks,
 
Respectfully Celeste,
I think that you don't understand the purpose of the PWNC, which is actually okay since you're in NY and what our contractor affiliation does in the Carolinas doesn't even affect you.
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I put that on the tittle because I respect the fact that you have taken this endevor. I have to say that statement is not atually correct.

Celeste you may be affecting PW accross the country. It however will be a positive one.
 
Clean County PW said:
Thats why I can see local orgs such www.pwnc.org working. The only problem I see with an local org is built around there education classes. To get there classes out there where they could be used as "Approved" or better yet "Certified"(Which needs special insurance for that which runs around $5000/yr they have a better chance to do that thru a nationwide org.

ALLIANCE need to be done. Lets say a new national org comes into play then once again the WWW.PWNC.org should be able to have the ability to join the new org and get Certification and with that on approval of there group they should be allowed to teach those classes with a % to go back to the national org. Also if this was to happen Celeste may have to look into getting Certification coverage in case one of here teachers get sued from a student who blinded himself stripping with Sodium hydroxide. There is so much to consider and to cross all the T;s and dot the i to get to this phase.

Maybe Individual local groups can have an alliance with other orgs even there still separate. With these Alliances the solo orgs can have a teacher taught thru the national org and once he has his certificate and also make him go thru the certification teaching school and now these solo orgs have the teacher they need. These are just banging out more ideas.
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Good ideas John.

I don't see where any smaller orgs are being built around education classes, I don't follow you with that statement, but I think the national org will be good for the industry and to have people like yourself doing the research having great insight, and dotting the "I's" and crossing the "T's" will benefit everyone in the industry.

I think you have great Idea's and thoughts (and so did Rod in his post on TGS) expanding on all of the key issues surrounding education. I think what ever is available regarding contractor education will suit the industries needs because educational needs will be dictated by the contractor membership of each individual organization (local, regional or national).

I don't believe any organization should be formed or built around educational programs. When the conceptual framework is plotted out in the development stage of a new program, education is typically not at the center of the focus, although it is part of it.

I think you have interesting thoughts on alliances being formed. It will be interesting to see how they all pan out. Again intersting insight you have there.... good luck with the national org development. You are all to be commended for your efforts.
 
CarolinaProWash said:
John, I get that you think and type on the fly - lots of times that's how things get thought out. I think that you don't understand the purpose of the PWNC, which is actually okay since you're in NY and what our contractor affiliation does in the Carolinas doesn't even affect you. I'm not trying to tell you to mind your own business, however, when you toss out speculations about something that you have very limited knowledge of, it remains that - speculation. When the PWNC is ready to and chooses to put our business on the forums, we will. For now and for those outside of the Carolinas, the PWNC can simply be viewed as a service that is being provided to Carolinas contractors. Respect this business and do not make implications that it is something that it is not.

Thanks,
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Celeste.

What I think some may fail to recognize is that many initiatives are simply about building relationships and network affiliations to better the industry, often with the primary focus in the area we operate. Whether they are national, local or regional initiatives, the goal may be the same.

When assumptions or presumptions are made, sometimes the simple goal of the initiative tends to get coomplicated or skewed, whether intentional or by accident.

IMHO, Your PWNC program should serve the people that you designed it to serve that will benifit your goal(s). Good for you for a job well done.... thanks for you insight, help and input with PWNY.

MJ
 
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