Look what it Took to Make E-clean today, this is my rewards after 30 years

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Ron Musgraves

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http://www.ecleanmag.com/eclean-magazines-official-position-on-working-with-the-uamcc-2013-09-10/

I just do not even know what to say or how to say it,

Thanks all its just so wonderful being in this industry that spouts they want to work together.


When your Reading the article which I have not had a Chance to verify all miss-truth someone ask Allison if She DEny This as part of the conversation?



If she Does She's lying, if she says she did she can't be trusted.

I highly recommend you get everything in writing because this women's WORD means nothing.


E-clean Fiction Magazine for the Fakes of this industry


To the UAMCC Board of Directors and the UAMCC Membership,

In recent weeks, eClean Magazine has become the recipient of several public lies and private threats by UAMCC President/Executive Director Ron Musgraves that go against the UAMCC’s Code of Ethics. The UAMCC website states: “All members shall possess qualities of good character and conduct themselves to a high standard of business ethics. Such firms and their representatives shall be required to uphold and promote the aims and goals of the Association, its Bylaws, and other governing documents.”

Lying, bullying, harassing and threatening are not generally considered “qualities of good character” or “a high standard of business ethics,” but those are the behaviours UAMCC President Ron Musgraves has exhibited towards eClean Magazine over the past few weeks. Additionally, board member Tony Shelton has purposefully spread lies about eClean Magazine, which, again, does not follow the UAMCC’s code of ethics. As such, we believe this should be cause for dismissal of these two board members.

ME: Told her I was Done with her Days ago, guess she couldn't handle that. Was Displeased with her performance PERIOD regardless of agreement.

It is the Board of Directors’ role to look out for the best interests of the association’s members. eClean had discussed with Ron Musgraves several benefits we were willing to offer the UAMCC – including free advertising, free space for an article each month, and a one-time free half-page ad for each UAMCC Associate Member. However, due to the lies, threats, harassment and bullying by Ron Musgraves, those offers have all be recanted. Additionally, because the UAMCC failed to get us the contract we asked for in writing after several requests, we have removed all offers from the table.

Me: Yeah I made a Mistake Keeping Ties with you when I fired you the First time.


Finally, it should be pointed out that Ron Musgraves is more concerned about having the UAMCC named mentioned in articles than he is in helping the UAMCC members get exposure they can use to gain business. In fact, he “demanded” we include the term UAMCC any time a member contributes, or else they can’t be involved with eClean. I don’t believe he has that type of authority over the UAMCC members, and I know he does not have the authority to make that – or any demands on eClean Magazine. Ron Musgraves has single handedly voided these offers from eClean for the UAMCC membership.

ME: Yeah I still Demand if UAMCC Members work with you they associate there membership with you.


The following letter has been written to provide documented evidence that members of the UAMCC board have publicly shared multiple lies and privately expressed threats/demands towards eClean Magazine that go against the UAMCC’s Code of Ethics. Specifically, we will show the following:

Several LIES were made public by UAMCC Director/President Ron Musgraves. These LIES include:

1. eClean did not follow through with its portion of the agreement between eClean and the UAMCC, eClean “did nothing,” and UAMCC did “everything” they were supposed to do on their end.

In truth

Paperwork was never drawn up or signed by the UAMCC despite several requests;
The UAMCC never provided eClean Magazine with a single article or ad as we requested and agreed upon;
eClean provided several examples of free exposure for UAMCC despite waiting on the official paperwork from the UAMCC.
Ron Musgraves publicly lied when he stated that eClean had done “NOTHING” to honor our agreement, while he had done “everything” he was supposed to do.
ME: Hard lesson Learned you apparently have a problem Keeping a Promise and in writing would have been Much better.



2. Most of eClean’s traffic comes from PWI and UAMCC. This statement has been incorrectly used several times by Ron Musgraves in an attempt to leverage the UAMCC’s position with eClean Magazine. In truth, a total of 335 out of 13,325 visits – or 2.5% – came as referral traffic from these two sources between the months of April and August, 2013.

Me: I still think we deliver you more Traffic and only time will tell. But regardless you had been given the option not to work with me. You chose to hurt the members.


3. eClean would not provide the UAMCC with exposure unless they paid for it. Our original agreement was to provide the UAMCC with a free ad and free monthly article so long as the UAMCC supplied us with the content; however, no such content was ever received. eClean’s Editor, Allison Hester, wrote a feature article on the UAMCC despite waiting on the contract and eClean made additional efforts to include UAMCC coverage based on a good-faith effort. (These will be laid out in the following pages.) However, it was publicly announced by Ron Musgraves that the only way eClean would provide the UAMCC with coverage is if they paid for it. In truth, we have given and were prepared to give the UAMCC free coverage and advertising before these lies were spread. As it stands now, there will be no coverage or advertising – paid or free – again due to the lies told by Ron Musgraves.

Me: We never got Really Dilly Swat from this and not to worried.

The following lie was publically posted by board member Tony Shelton:

1. eClean is “owned” by the PWNA and Allison Hester is “bought and paid for.” eClean is owned by Paul Horsley and Allison Hester; PWNA is a paying customer. The details of this agreement are spelled out in the following pages.

Additionally, the following idle threats and demands were given in private conversations between Ron Musgraves and Allison Hester:

That eClean must include the term “UAMCC” any time a member contributes or is interviewed (which he had no right to demand);
That eClean not affiliate with the owners of the PWRA or WCRA (which he has no right to ask, suggest, or demand) and that he would not work with us if we supported these groups.
That eClean would sell the UAMCC an ad whether we agreed to it or not – after the aforementioned lies were made public – then publicly announced that the UAMCC would be advertising with us before we agreed.
That Ron Musgraves would go after our readers/advertisers based on the lie he started that we had fallen through on our agreement.
Finally, I would like to personally say I was warned by several industry members not to take a stand against Ron Musgraves and Tony Shelton, not because I was wrong, but because they are “dangerous.” When the public lies began on the UAMCC Facebook page against eClean Magazine, I was amazed by the number of people who came out of the woodwork to say they had similar experiences and that they supported us in this fight. But they were also afraid.

ME: You mean you have people who have photoshop my children in porn and other ones who had it in there emails. Did a couple of the ones who Staked my home out with my shop also step forward? Also did any of the ones who said they would start attacking my customers Step forward. Was there a person controlling a false profile accusing me of child molesting? I saw you in the last thread Allison Days ago, surprised you didn't know we have you a mother of small children on a forum bullying a person pretending to be me. Its was disgusting and I have the entire Diatribe. I also have the screen shot where Thad Says hurry Allison "I Have a Cover Story of the YEar", Ron musgraves


ME: IS this where this IDEA came from? Lets slander Ron Because I have the almighty Industry on my side. Allison you got stung by Someone you heard in a audio threaten to Kill me. Do not worry I got burned by him before you did more than once. So in some real Screwed up Sense I probably will forgive you.



In truth, it should not have to be a fight and we, as an industry, should not have to be afraid. One individual should not have the power to maliciously injure so many. Someone has to stand up for what’s right, and if it must be me, then so be it. As members of the UAMCC Board, my sincerest hope is that you will take a stand as well and do what’s right by protecting your membership and your organization’s reputation against the damage your leadership is causing.

Sincerely,



Allison Hester
Editor
eClean Magazine



Me: Those comments are Vary Defensive, you have obviously have gilt issues, I wouldn't doubt you have told your boss I have been paying you? Is this why you told me to forget the final Payments?

Allison Personally I think you should step down, your not fit nor can be trusted when someone gives you any information. You have slandered me in these conversations, you said you would keep my conversations private.

Your WORD IS A JOKE


I will not Embarrase you any further than I already have but you know there's another piece of the conversation you left out!!!

I will give you 24 hours to retract this story with and Apology. Possibly you can Salvage your dignity and we can move our separate Ways.

Paul Horsley maybe you want to be a Man and call me, I'm embarrassed for you again.




I want Everyone to READ her own Words, because she Hammers home agreements Agreements Agreements. I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word.
 
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mistersqueegee

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That is truly pathetic. Good writing spin though. Gotta give points for imaginative use of "facts". lol
I guess I was justified in my earlier assessment of the situation.
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
English lesson for the day.

"Bought and paid for" is an idiom illustrating the fact that loyalties lie where the money comes from.

One would think a writer would know that.


To say the PWNA "owns" eClean conveys the fact that it is controlled by a member of the PWNA board and as such, is slanted in a way that gives preferential treatment to the PWNA.

One would think a writer would know that.


I have not lied and won't.

I will try to make is simpler for those who don't understand the intricacies of the English language:


Allison writes what makes the PWNA happy. If she doesn't, she will likely face the wrath of her boss, the legal owner of the magazine, who, just so happens to serve on the PWNA Board of Directors.

Is that easier?

Sorry for the confusion. I will use grammar check next time and tone it down to a lower grade level.
 

Rance

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I do not believe what is being said in the article and I find the article very disturbing. Accusations require proof. No proof has been given. WTH???
 

michaelmole

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I do not believe what is being said in the article and I find the article very disturbing. Accusations require proof. No proof has been given. WTH???

20+ pages of documented proof is HERE, if you're truly interested in some good reading on the terrible misbehavior of the UAMCC President.
 

mistersqueegee

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I hardly call their take on the issue documented proof Mr Mole. I guess I wonder why a WCR guy is here sticking up for eClean if I didn't already know it's more about attacking Ron.
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
I just posted my above comments in the comment section for the article.

Allison posted all the bullying and threats (lol) that Ron made. It literally had me trembling in my seat. (sarcastic) Ron's "threats" in the provided "proof" are so frightening it pales in comparison to the phoned death threats put out by one of the owners of the great "for profit" org. (uber sarcastic) (for those challenged in the English language - including "writers")

Ron and I are "dangerous".

That is a fact. Anyone who is going to try to pull one over on contractors through lies and deceit should be plenty afraid.

For years this industry has been directed and controlled by a few of the larger contractors and vendors. For the first time in the history of our industry we have taken a stand and said we aren't going to be defined by these money grubbing opportunists anymore. A few hundred org members agree.

We have an opportunity to redefine who we are now.

We are entrepreneurs. We are environmental cleaners. We are fathers, mothers, family leaders, providers, teachers, students and friends. We have stood up and made it through a rough recession and provided jobs for countless men and women who would otherwise have been on the government dole.

We are dangerous. We are dangerous to the vendors who spend their time lobbying the government to convince them to make us buy their outdated and ineffective equipment in order to clean legally.

We are dangerous to the large national contractors who offer training to get young contractors in debt, then buy their accounts for pennies for their equipment and customers when their business fails as planned.

We are dangerous to any "for profit" orgs that are nothing more than Ponzi schemes to fund monthly bills because creditors have quit extending credit.

We are dangerous to contractors who are so impotent in their sales or cleaning skills that they have to resort to spying on their competition and lobbying for stricter rules to have any kind of competitive advantage.

We are dangerous to industry magazines that purport fair reporting, but fear for their existence if their reporting doesn't fit the funder's agenda.

Yes, we are dangerous men.

Stay away from us......if you are a liar, a cheat, a thief, a con artist, or an opportunist with no morals.

This is official notice - You will be discredited. You will look like a fool. You have been warned.
 

michaelmole

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I hardly call their take on the issue documented proof Mr Mole. I guess I wonder why a WCR guy is here sticking up for eClean if I didn't already know it's more about attacking Ron.

Did you read every page of the link I posted, Tony Evans? I'm guessing not.

And I don't know what you mean about a "WCR guy." I'm not sticking up for eClean. I just shared the link. So basically, you don't know anything.
 

michaelmole

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Yes, we are dangerous men.

Stay away from us......if you are a liar, a cheat, a thief, a con artist, or an opportunist with no morals.

This is official notice - You will be discredited. You will look like a fool. You have been warned.

You are one BAMF, Tony Shelton. HAHAHAHA
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
Did you read every page of the link I posted, Tony Evans? I'm guessing not.

And I don't know what you mean about a "WCR guy." I'm not sticking up for eClean. I just shared the link. So basically, you don't know anything.

Thanks for posting that. I would suggest everyone read the whole thing as I did in order to see the depths of the threats and bullying. (Sarcastic again, can't help myself)

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mistersqueegee

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Did you read every page of the link I posted, Tony Evans? I'm guessing not.

And I don't know what you mean about a "WCR guy." I'm not sticking up for eClean. I just shared the link. So basically, you don't know anything.

I'm sure you'd like to believe that Mike. It's just more of the same that was already posted. I know you well enough to have been able to make your post (complete with sarcastic retort) for you.
 

mistersqueegee

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Actually I did. And as I said it's more of the same misdirection and painting Ron as the industry bogeyman. Of course you and I will never agree on this and that's OK. We don't need too. Maybe someday we will be face to face and get to have a more productive conversation. Have a good night Mike.
 

michaelmole

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Maybe someday we will be face to face...

1) I hope not.

And as I said it's more of the same misdirection and painting Ron as the industry bogeyman.

2) Break it down for me then, Tony. What did you think was "misdirection?" What did you think was misleading? What was inaccurate? Seriously... please educate me.

Have a good night Mike.

3) Thanks. I have a great night every night.
 

mistersqueegee

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I can't educate the brainwashed Mike. It's clear any discussion with you would be wasted effort. I do appreciate your clear statements in the above post as it confirms what I've suspected for a long time. At least I could help you get you post count up here. Your welcome by the way. SMHL
 

michaelmole

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I can't educate the brainwashed Mike. It's clear any discussion with you would be wasted effort. I do appreciate your clear statements in the above post as it confirms what I've suspected for a long time. At least I could help you get you post count up here. Your welcome by the way. SMHL

Did Ron pay you $20 to buy your allegiance? Or do you just hate Chris and Thad so much that you'll back anyone who opposes them? Just curious... the accusation of being brainwashed shows that you are subconsciously aware that the same charge could be made about you.

And what does my statement confirm? That I don't want to have the pleasure of meeting you? Well when was that in question?
 

michaelmole

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I can't educate the brainwashed Mike. It's clear any discussion with you would be wasted effort. I do appreciate your clear statements in the above post as it confirms what I've suspected for a long time. At least I could help you get you post count up here. Your welcome by the way. SMHL

I seriously would like to hear your attempt at explaining away what Allison Hester wrote. This is the weakest cop-out I can imagine. "I can't educate the brainwashed Mike." haha Tony, that is a bunch of crap, and I'm guessing it probably translates to "I'm not smart enough to try to rebut such a well thought-out presentation."

And yeah, I probably should get my post count up here. This place could use someone besides you posting about window cleaning.

(-.O)
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
I seriously would like to hear your attempt at explaining away what Allison Hester wrote. This is the weakest cop-out I can imagine. "I can't educate the brainwashed Mike." haha Tony, that is a bunch of crap, and I'm guessing it probably translates to "I'm not smart enough to try to rebut such a well thought-out presentation."

And yeah, I probably should get my post count up here. This place could use someone besides you posting about window cleaning.

(-.O)

I don't know you. I have no idea of any history between you and Tony E.

All I have to say is one of you is right and one is wrong.

The wrong one needs to be very afraid.

After my eye accident I got some Walter White glasses and everything has changed. .....lol.



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michaelmole

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I don't know you. I have no idea of any history between you and Tony E.

I don't know you either... but apparently Tony Evans knows me. So... if you have any questions for me, I would ask that you direct them to him, as he is the supreme authority on my thoughts and motives.

PS - cool glasses, btw. I wear glasses too. Not quite that large though.
 
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