NFPA 96 Question

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hydrashine

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My question is this if NFPA 96 states that a company or person has to be "certified" in order to clean exhaust systems. Shouldn't they tell a person how to become "certified"?

You would think if NFPA 96 is used as "code" in a jurisdiction that the "AHJ" would address this issue.

Should the "AHJ" set up a certification process so a company or person can be "certified" and therfore be acceptable to "AHJ"?

Where would the "AHJ" get the knowledge they need to "certify" someone and make them "Acceptable"?

There seems to be no basis for any certification process at all.

Phil Ackland says he is in the education field. He does a great job of teaching at his schools, you learn so much in a short amount of time. {Yes i am a former student, and i know my money was very well spent.} I thank Phil for sharing his knowledge with everyone, it is very valuable to get all of his years of experience the kind of experience you can get without living it yourself first.

He has came up with the "Phil Ackland Certification Protocol". Should the "AHJ"s buy this course and say take and pass this and we will say you are "certified"? Would Phil then have to go to every jurisdiction and teach this course? Would the "AHJ"s go to Phil and become "certified" to teach this course?

All i am asking is where can you become "certified" and be "acceptable" to the "AHJ"?????????

Phil I know you will read this, maybe you will reap the rewards of all your hard work and the US Government will buy your "certification protocol" and give it to all of the "AHJs" and say this is how it will be done. Ha Ha Ha

Someone please help me with all this "certification" stuff. MAYBE the new edition of NFPA 96 will make this all clear this time. I will just have to see.
 
Just go clean hoods and don,t worry about it.
 
John, thanks for the reply, that seems like good advice and that is probably what I will end up doing anyway.

But if a code that I am supposed to follow states that I should be "certified" I am just curious why there isn't elaboration on the process of becoming certified. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why an organization like NFPA would recommend a guideline that is not completely defined.

Just like cleaning to bare metal, should I scrape the paint off of painted hoods and fans, or just clean the grease. You can't really tell what is truly meant in the 2001 edition.

Anyway, the "AHJ's" don't really seem to care that much. If they look over flaws in the construction of a system, will they look over flaws in certification?
 
This is what it says! Once and for all

2001 Edition
11.4.1 Upon inspection, if found to be contaminated with deposits from grease ladden vapor's, th entire exhaust system shall be cleaned by a properly trained, qualified, and certified company or persons acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction in accordance with section 11.3.


It is all up to the AHJ's as to what year they use and what they feels meet their needs at the time.
 
Howard
I am not able to devote the time this question needs at this moment. I will get to it as soon as I can.
I can say that AHJ from State to State are a very diverse lot. There is a lot of work ahead reaching them. That is why it would have been so much better for everyone in this field if we could have worked together.
 
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Back when that "properly trained, qualified, and certified company or persons acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction" first appeared I went to some Fire Prevention friends and associates and we had a good discussion that basically ended with "you are acceptable to the AHJ, until you are not acceptable to the AHJ".
Do a good job, be ethical and its all good.
 
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