Organiation thru Education and Lobbying

Clean County PW

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To make an organization to be alot more education conscious where many different groups can teach classes for the same org then I think you'll see a much more success rate in getting people certified and thu that process you would have a better chance to lobby for more money to keep the org successful in having these teaching classes going on....all the time. The more I look at this BIG PICTURE the more it comes to me that education should be first and foremost for an Org to be forget just successful but more like extremely successful. With having it for argument sake a Ken Fenner and a Jack/Matt school involved with the PWNA or a new org for that matter and now there showing that this org is trying to get people educated as far and wide as possible like Matt getting many certified in NY,Jack Kramer getting many in NJ and Ken getting many in PA this would be HUGELY significant. Now with all these different EDUCATIONAL GROUPS looking to help with the educational process of the PWNA or a new org and this can be written down as in Contracts then now there is a great chance to get lobbying done so an organization can now help many of its members become Certified by offering the Org members a much lower price to become certified and the ones doing the certifying to make at least what they want to make since now the members are getting a tremendous benefit from the money raised for them to take these classes along with the money raised to make it cheaper for them to take these classes. In turn the teachers of these classes will make even more money because of all the students who got in due to the lobbyist money. Its a win win. When you lobby money you have to have a dead set reason as to why your trying to lobby money and one of the best ways is thru EDUCATION. and now show there are different groups across the country to teach these classes which means many more people will take these classes because of the financial break there going to get from the successful lobbyist.

The PWNA as far as I know doesn't adhere to this philosphy...so they will never ever be able to get lobbyist to be successful to raise money for them because it would then go to Alliance and its leaders. That will never work.. Now if they can let many different groups do this then there is chance to get that FREE money for this to happen....and Why....EDUCATION.

This is where a new org in a very short time can jump leaps and bounds in this organization world if they were to follow that above plan...made up be my of course...doesnt mean it can work. But think about it. An org with multiple Education Certifier's and its a not for profit 501c3 org I think with the right connections there is a possibility to do this.

This is called the ability to bann people together for a common cause. A simpler term is ORGANIZING which is the draw of a selected few. The PWNA and many other orgs dont know how or are already chalked it down that Lobbyist money is a "Can't be had". I say bullship. This could turn out to be true if you can't get enough campassionate people together work on this. There is tons of money thru Lobbying and to do it for education puposes and also for a non profit org then it CAN BE DONE!! As long as there is no loose cannons with an AGENDA just to fatten there own pockets. Think group first mentality and now you numerous brains at your disposal. This is what you want. But can it be done?? Yes if you can ask the right person..THis picture her that was at a wedding 2 months ago is with Alfonse Damato my friend Mike the tree guy and myself all drinking Ruffino Wine. I'll have to ask Alfonse one day about how this can be done but before I do I would need a plan of action by a few to proceed with this. But of course me being me I'll kill this plan because I put them in the dancing elfs customes....Just couldnt help myself.:cool:
 
Here's a picture of a wedding I was at two months ago with Alphonse Damato and my buddy Mike...and then of course I kill the whole thing with the Elf dance which I can thank to pressurewash pros from Colorado who put a post here on how to do that.... So much for asking how to lobby money for Organizations,,,DOUGH:D
 

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John, you're a Senior Mod.
Can't you change it?
 
The PWNA and many other orgs dont know how or are already chalked it down that Lobbyist money is a "Can't be had". I say bullship. This could turn out to be true if you can't get enough campassionate people together work on this. There is tons of money thru Lobbying and to do it for education puposes and also for a non profit org then it CAN BE DONE!!

John, the Feds prohibit 501(c)3 organizations from using lobbyists. It's against the rules, period. Maybe someone should put out the proper definition of lobbying so it is not confused with private sectors raising money for worthwhile charities (non-profits).

I think one of the larger problems in our industry, and probably a number of service-type industries - people (general consumers) don't particularly care what type of education is available to us so why would they "give" to our groups. Add that to the high level of mistrust that colors our industry from past organizational behavior - all of it needs to be corrected from the source in order to make it "worthwhile".

Just my .02.

Celeste
 
John, the Feds prohibit 501(c)3 organizations from using lobbyists. It's against the rules, period. Maybe someone should put out the proper definition of lobbying so it is not confused with private sectors raising money for worthwhile charities (non-profits).

I think one of the larger problems in our industry, and probably a number of service-type industries - people (general consumers) don't particularly care what type of education is available to us so why would they "give" to our groups. Add that to the high level of mistrust that colors our industry from past organizational behavior - all of it needs to be corrected from the source in order to make it "worthwhile".

Just my .02.

Celeste

Celeste-- can you tell me where you found out that 501c3 cannot lobby for money from the Gov't?? I would be interested in reading about that. I remember a few years ago talking to the IWCA president Jim Grady about lobbying for the PWNA and he said that the IWCA looked into it and its not easy to get that done.The very least the org has to be all about education and not about selling products etc...Another words its complicated.
 
It's somewhere in the Federal laws - if I get time I'll try to dig it up. It's been a while since I read it, however, at a meeting with my attorney just a couple of weeks ago, it came up and he confirmed non-profits being prohibited from LOBBYING. Again, I think that you should define Lobbying in your use of the word.

If you're talking about getting grants or federal funding for education, there are ways but that's NOT lobbying.

Celeste
 
Yes it was Grants I was referring to. Lobbying is really not the correct term for this. Lobbying is to influence Legislation. There is so much Grant money out there and so many groups that know how to get those grants. If education is such a huge priority which it is then why not take advantage of available Grants?? Grants also raise the stakes a ton. On the positive side many can benefit from Grant money...on the negative side the temptation to do something unethical or even Criminal would be a major nightmare.
 
I guess that last comment only applies if you can't trust the folks running the project.

FWIW, Grants are readily available, HOWEVER, have you ever tried to write one? I have tried, it is VERY difficult to successfully write a Grant application. There's a reason that people go to school to do just that and then charge accordingly to write them.

There are also very strict parameters where this type of funding is applied. The group applying must meet 100% of the criteria and every one of these applications have different criteria. It takes months of research just to find the one grant that you may be eligible for.

Celeste
 
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