PWNA - Who authorized this?

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
Here is one of the email threads sent to Nevada regulators.

After asking the regulators repeatedly to answer the 34 leading questions that make us look like polluters (including a direct reference to my son's youtube page as an example of a polluter) the Nevada regulator responds with the following sending him a link to our simple, easy to follow BMPs:





To Which Robert responds with another barrage of the same questions:









After Which he attaches a complete copy of the PWNA BMPs for them to consider instead (I wont post that here, except for the last page)

REMEMBER: WE WILL NOT SHOP THE BMPS and also note THE USE OF THE UAMCC LOGO with full knowledge he was removed from his position at the UAMCC. Also, notice the UAMCC BOD listed:




My next post will show how the PWNA goes about butchering a good BMP.
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
The butchering of a good BMP. The BMP pamphlet in question can be found here if you find this hard to see.

http://www.lvstormwater.com/pdfs/bmp_brochure.pdf

The pictures are the current BMPs submitted by our AHJ in answer to Robert's 34 questions.

The text below each picture is Roberts suggestion on how they should be changed.



















 

Newlook

Member
Here is one of the email threads sent to Nevada regulators.

After asking the regulators repeatedly to answer the 34 leading questions that make us look like polluters (including a direct reference to my son's youtube page as an example of a polluter) the Nevada regulator responds with the following sending him a link to our simple, easy to follow BMPs:





To Which Robert responds with another barrage of the same questions:









After Which he attaches a complete copy of the PWNA BMPs for them to consider instead (I wont post that here, except for the last page)

REMEMBER: WE WILL NOT SHOP THE BMPS and also note THE USE OF THE UAMCC LOGO with full knowledge he was removed from his position at the UAMCC. Also, notice the UAMCC BOD listed:




My next post will show how the PWNA goes about butchering a good BMP.

Now thats interesting!
 

Guy Blackmon

Roundtable Host 2009
So it was a garage cleaning event but the majority of questions were about "cosmetic cleaning", from a group that had no Vegas connections or Contractors among them? Plus puts up a link to Chris's video and basically portrays Contractors as polluters.

If I didn't know better I would think that it's a personal attack on Tony, Chris, and every Contractor in Las Vegas.

"Interesting" is hardly the word I would use, but nowhere near surprising.
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
So it was a garage cleaning event but the majority of questions were about "cosmetic cleaning", from a group that had no Vegas connections or Contractors among them? Plus puts up a link to Chris's video and basically portrays Contractors as polluters.

If I didn't know better I would think that it's a personal attack on Tony, Chris, and every Contractor in Las Vegas.

"Interesting" is hardly the word I would use, but nowhere near surprising.

That would be plausible if it hadn't happened in Charlotte, Atlanta, Minnesota and Houston too.

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Christopher

Moderator
Can/Will the UAMCC send letters to every city in the country stating that the person sending out this stuff is in fact NOT representing the UAMCC, is not the founder and is not in any way affiliated with the UAMCC in any way?

I think that this would be a good start and maybe possible legal action will be required to stop this nonsense and MIS-REPRESENTATION. Public records around the country should be posted on about this and what is happening.
 

Newlook

Member
So it was a garage cleaning event but the majority of questions were about "cosmetic cleaning", from a group that had no Vegas connections or Contractors among them? Plus puts up a link to Chris's video and basically portrays Contractors as polluters.

If I didn't know better I would think that it's a personal attack on Tony, Chris, and every Contractor in Las Vegas.

"Interesting" is hardly the word I would use, but nowhere near surprising.

I highlighted a text in Tony's comment about the who is listed as a UAMCC BOD......that is what I was referring to with my "interesting" comment.

I am sure Russ would find it both interesting and surprising to see his name listed on this document.
 

Christopher

Moderator
I highlighted a text in Tony's comment about the who is listed as a UAMCC BOD......that is what I was referring to with my "interesting" comment.

I am sure Russ would find it both interesting and surprising to see his name listed on this document.

The email is dated March of 2013, the Current BOD has been in office for about a year now (not sure of the exact date the current BOD took office), more or less so that message is MISLEADING in many ways, he should have posted the current BOD for the UAMCC but I guess if he did that, he would not be able to say that he is representing the UAMCC and is not their Environmental advisor either.

You guys are right, this is not only MISLEADING, but also sounds to be CRIMINAL as he is portraying that he is the Environmental advisor of the UAMCC which he is not, he is sending out messages that has the UAMCC logo on them which he is not allowed to do so, he is posting a BOD that is not the current BOD as of the time of his email and who knows what else is happening out there.
 

Scott Stone

New member
I would think that all the guys that are listed on there as being on the UAMCC board would be complaining as well. It seems since he is purporting to have their support that there would be some liability on their part if it came to a court case. Sure they could prove that they were not on the board at the time, but they would also need to prove that they requested that Robert cease promoting them and the position that they formerly held.

It is also interesting that the contractors that were cc'd with the exception of one, were not contractors that have been associated with the PWNA Environmental team. It reeks of someone launching a vendetta to achieve his own agenda.
 

AZ PowerWash Pros

New member
WOW! Tony you should become a private investigator! This is unbelievable.

But if I was working for the State or City and someone sent me an email with question marks like this ???????????? after every question I would just simply not respond because it was a very unprofessional approach.

That is terrible that he tried to throw your son under the bus... We are all in the same industry and every industry professional should be treated with respect. And that was disrespectful.
 

bhenson

Moderator
I would like to say Im surprised that this has happened, but Im not. Tony thank you for taking a stand on this matter. Thank you for sharing this. Alot of us already knew this information to some extent. I just don't understand why anyone would deliberatley try to hurt a contractor, but his actions seems to be more of a personal attack. He could have sent in any youtube video, but sent in Chris's instead.

You have our support Tony on anything you need!!!!!
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
Can/Will the UAMCC send letters to every city in the country stating that the person sending out this stuff is in fact NOT representing the UAMCC, is not the founder and is not in any way affiliated with the UAMCC in any way?

I think that this would be a good start and maybe possible legal action will be required to stop this nonsense and MIS-REPRESENTATION. Public records around the country should be posted on about this and what is happening.

Apparently Thad Michael Randy Russ & John Orr who currently sits in Bod of some sort authorized this. How ever I cannot find the minutes. So this is not certain of what was done or not.

If these gentleman could help elaborate on exactly what was done or if Robert could share his rights to use the UAmCc in communication with regulators it would be appreciated.


Text me for info on Milwaukee event. 480-522-5227
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
Tony ,Chris and the Shelton family businesses I want to apologize for the UAmCc for its miss representation of your company. In no way does the UAmCc ever turn in or suggest members of our industry are polluters. I want you to know that we are taking steps and measure to prevent these types of action being taken by anyone believing they have representation from the UAmCc.

The UAmCc has some joint ties in a program with the Pwna and we will have to see what our members want to do in the future. It seems are programs are lights years from presenting the industry as industrial polluters and major offenders of criminal acts.

Apparently we have assassination on our trade from the looks of it by a national trade association. (Including the uamcc) Of course the leaders need time to review the documents to come to and educated decision as to the outcome.

I do recommend people regardless of membership contact the leaders in both orgs to convey there thoughts.

I will state personally Ron Musgraves does not support programs portraying us as polluters. In my practice of Bmp I reduce pollution and if outfall occurs I have reduced pollution to the ms4 in my process. I clean for health safety and environmental reasons first and foremost. Cosmetics is secondary in my process.

I will not stand for contractors turning in others. We should help each other be compliant educate and make others aware.

It's truly a shame 20 years of time wasted on portraying us as the reasons for pollution instead of the answers to solving the problems.

Some of my friends today at the Pwna and the UAmCc need to stand up and do the right things.

Chris Shelton I'm truly sorry if this has caused you hardship in anyway. Unfortunately I too recently had the Pwna literally in my backyard for days investigating my business and practices. Again I want you to know the UAmCc was not aware and received no report from these alleged representatives.

The UAmCc will conduct a talk radio show in the future, we intend on inviting these people to explain there are better ways to go about this and hopefully we can stop the assassinations on private individuals.


Text me for info on Milwaukee event. 480-522-5227
 

Russ Spence

Commercial Pressure Wash Expert
Tony ,Chris and the Shelton family businesses I want to apologize for the UAmCc for its miss representation of your company. In no way does the UAmCc ever turn in or suggest members of our industry are polluters. I want you to know that we are taking steps and measure to prevent these types of action being taken by anyone believing they have representation from the UAmCc.

The UAmCc has some joint ties in a program with the Pwna and we will have to see what our members want to do in the future. It seems are programs are lights years from presenting the industry as industrial polluters and major offenders of criminal acts.

Apparently we have assassination on our trade from the looks of it by a national trade association. (Including the uamcc) Of course the leaders need time to review the documents to come to and educated decision as to the outcome.

I do recommend people regardless of membership contact the leaders in both orgs to convey there thoughts.

I will state personally Ron Musgraves does not support programs portraying us as polluters. In my practice of Bmp I reduce pollution and if outfall occurs I have reduced pollution to the ms4 in my process. I clean for health safety and environmental reasons first and foremost. Cosmetics is secondary in my process.

I will not stand for contractors turning in others. We should help each other be compliant educate and make others aware.

It's truly a shame 20 years of time wasted on portraying us as the reasons for pollution instead of the answers to solving the problems.

Some of my friends today at the Pwna and the UAmCc need to stand up and do the right things.

Chris Shelton I'm truly sorry if this has caused you hardship in anyway. Unfortunately I too recently had the Pwna literally in my backyard for days investigating my business and practices. Again I want you to know the UAmCc was not aware and received no report from these alleged representatives.

The UAmCc will conduct a talk radio show in the future, we intend on inviting these people to explain there are better ways to go about this and hopefully we can stop the assassinations on private individuals.


Text me for info on Milwaukee event. 480-522-5227

well? I just can't think of anything to say?

looks like he used the past BOD names instead of the current. Amazing that I am on this letter since I stepped down almost 2 years ago.
Too busy to care but y'all have fun with it.
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
well? I just can't think of anything to say?

looks like he used the past BOD names instead of the current. Amazing that I am on this letter since I stepped down almost 2 years ago.
Too busy to care but y'all have fun with it.

Just maybe explain to contractors you have learned here why you are compliant and learned right here on pwi.

Tell your story of being turned in and addressing the authority with the practices you learned kept you in good graces of the enforcement without reclaim in the particular situation.

Russ is the perfect example that if more contractors knew how to comply correctly then you have no worries.


Text me for info on Milwaukee event. 480-522-5227
 
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