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mattia

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grease pipe cleaners, Since I am the newest cleaner on hoods, I will ask a question to get some response on the exhaust board... Cleaned a restaurant hood today, had a down blast fan...
had four screws holding top on, but in the chute there was louvers...

What are these louvers for and what is the best way to clean them, had a heck of a time getting them clean...

Some things that I noticed that werent code...

1. down blast fan...

2. electric running in duct work...

3. aluminum filters above charbroler

How did I do on the three things I noticed do I get my 100 for the day?


Help me out seasoned greasers,


Matt
 
Sorry Matt,

Spelling counts and you misspelled "Charbroiler" so you don't get 100. Attaboys are hard to come by, so just keep working at it. The more jobs you do- the more crap you're going to see. Just document everything that worries you and get on with it. We've seen fans that were welded to the roof. That's where ingenuity comes into play.
Louvers, when closed, are designed to keep the heat in the kitchen on a cold night. They usually get gunked up and don't work. What we do is pull them up and out. They are made of paper thin aluminum. Wait till you come across disposable filters!

Just had a thought, Mattia, you are obviously new at this AND "certified" by PWNA to clean hoods (What does that mean!) - if I were you I would go to PWNA and ask for a mentor to help you to answer how-to questions. That way, you are not exposing yourself publicly to your competition.
 
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Indiana Jones, Thanks It is always nice to see that you are so helpful for positive feedback.. I sure we can count on you for more!!


Matt
 
I apologize for hurting your feelings, but the fact is when you advertise to the world that your company is "PWNA Certified" your setting yourself up as an expert, whether you like it or not. If I am your competition or potential client (they do read these) I am going to question the validity of your certification. That's all I'm saying. Contact PWNA, they used to offer a mentoring program for newcomers with questions. Not many people on this board are certified - but they are proficient in their field. The world is watching!
 
Code is determined by many things, not the least of which is was the exhaust system inspected at the time of original installation? Wasa the inspection done by someone who knew what to look for and did they actually go on the roof and look at the fan. The date of the original installation will also make a difference. The codes do change from time to time.
1. At one time, down blast fans did meet code, possible the one you have is an old one. The reason we do not use down blast fans now is the air movement puts the grease on the roof. Roofers tell me that the grease will ruin the roof. Of course, the day the exhaust system catches fire, the fire will be impinging directly on the grease covered roof.
2. I have had electricians tell me that the NEC allows wiring to run in the exhaust duct. That may be, but it is a bad idea as the heat, grease and the chemical do degrade the wire covering. What I usually see is that the wire is not protected where it comes throught the sheet metal, and is subject to abrasion when the fan is tipped. Guess who tips the fan? and whose fault it is when the wiring insulation is comprimised.
3. NFPA 96-2001 6.2.3 "Grease filters shall be listed and constructed of steel or listed equivalent material. " NFPA 96-2001 6.1.3 . " Mesh filters shall not be used. " Aluminum filters are sold and used. They are cheaper than steel.

The baffles in the duct are an attempt to keep heat in the builing at night when the place is empty. They plug up with grease, do not open or close and are almost impossible to clean. To clean, hold the louvers open with your foot.If you can, make the baffles disappear. I have been know to take them to my shop and put them in my dumpster. If asked, claim the louvers were broken. Just don't tell them the louvers broke when you put your foot on them while cleaning.

Visit your local fire department and building inspector. Ask what they look for when doing inspections. Then discount 90 % of what they say when they tell you how serious they take inspections and how thay want to know of any violations you see. If they want inspection reports, they will tell you. Serious violations should be noted on your invoices.

A copy of NFPA 96 should be in your possesion and used. Even if NFPA 96 is not part of the code in your area, it is the standard most of us use. The day you get your ass hauled into court, the opposing lawyer will ask why you, as a professional, did not use the NFPA 96 . Get a copy of whatever is used for code in your area.

Continue to ask questions. Some questions will make those of us with more experience laugh. And while we are laughing, we are hoping no one will remember when we did not know the answers. One day you will be on the boards, someone will ask a question and you can share the knowledge you have gained.

Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oegon, Inc
 
This post was not to question, but was for movement of the exhaust board, no more, no less... Just some general feed back, to bring around some talk... It was not that I was stuck and needed Indiania to save the day...

Mr. Hicks on the other hand is the true professional with his knowledge and post...

As far as a expert, I am not, but kowledgeable, yes... Let them ask, I have some answers....
 
Aw shucks, my mistake! I should have known you were trying to create conversation. Way to go.
 
The comments of Douglas are strictly his own and do not reflect the policies of this board. We all know none of us have ever intentionally damaged a customer’s property, no matter how hard those damn baffles in the duct are to deal with. They were always broken before we arrived, and I have never carried them back to my shop, they are easily bent in half so they will fit in the trashcan at the gas station next door.
 
Or wrap them up in the plastic before dumping the whole mess in the dumpster. Just make sure the louvers are not visible in the trash.

Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
 
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