What causes the Death of an organization??

[Clean County PW]

This thread here is just for others to see what can be avoided when they join and maybe even get involved with an organization.

The Grease Police I thought they had it figured out when they had Brian Penney and some other guys in place there to make them highly successful. I would like to hear the story there what caused them to stop the existence of that org.

I can tell you that a sure fire way to bring an organization down is to have and EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PAY HIMSELF AND CALL ALL THE SHOTS. Also the same Director putting names of people on legal documents without there knowledge. This Corporate Greed can destroy an org. in a matter of no time. When one gets the power and abuses it like this so many others will eventually see this for what it is and they will want to get out.

The Movie Wall Street 2 is coming out and the main Character Gordon Gecko will be a part of our everyday quotes again like it was back in the 80's. He will once again talk about GREED and what it can do. I am so looking forward to this movie to see once again how to much GREED KILLS.

An Organization should never ever be ran by one guy with absolute power as that other org. had going on. This person picked all of the awards,He also decided who goes where on the org. dime, He decided where all of the money goes and who gets paid and who doesn't such as a Keynote speaker not getting paid, and he also paid himself with the membership money. He paid himself. Let that sink in for awhile. This my friends is Corporate Greed the way it went down. This unless rectified ASAP and great PR gets put into place ASAP will be the death sentence or the very least cause people to get out of there ASAP where the org is down to at most 50 die hard members who don't want to deal with the truth.

So what are other things that can bring an org. down that members can be aware of so they don't see those paths crossed during there memberships??

 

[HotShot_Anthony]

The Grease Police wasn't on it's way down in any way shape or form. It was growing like crazy. We (board members) were working hard to keep up with all the pictures and applications being sent in from folks trying to join the org.

It was great, actually.

Where we ran into problems was "educating" all of our competition. I'm not saying it was all bad or anything like that. I'm saying that you simply can't give all your secrets and train your competition as well as you and then compete when you have higher overhead or whatever.

I also think we lacked vision. Things kind of changed once we saw how things were going with the education stuff and it wasn't purdy. Some guys back east took some huge hits from guys that we helped train. We kind of didn't know which way to go when that started happening so we pulled the plug.

I don't think contractors can effectively run an org while they are still out there in the business. They are going to make decisions that will be effected by their family's bellies. If their company starts feeling the pain of something, bi-laws will be set into play that will benefit them, not the good of the industry.

I can't blame anybody for that, I did and would do that myself. My family comes first! I love you guys and I love helping people but if my business takes a hit, training others stops.

Another thing that really hurts an org in my opinion is the quality of work from their worst member. I know Ron said that it doesn't matter, but I think it does. If it didn't matter nobody would trust BBB logos on people's websites and things like that. They do trust them; and for good reasons.

If somebody was sporting a Grease Police logo, the customer could be assured that they did good work. We weren't worried about policing other contractors' work, just our own guys. I for one didn't want to be in an org that had a bunch of hacks in it. There happened to be a lot of guys just like me.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

If somebody was sporting a Grease Police logo,

You cant say that, I know I'm going to have a ton of guys on My Azz now.

I understand in theory thats what you want, but in reality we have humans working for us.

Humans will let you down!!!

 

[HotShot_Anthony]

GP contractors had surprise inspections of pics. They had to produce pics of the previous week upon request of the board. It is reality and it can be done, but not by another contractor that has a full plate from their business already.

If a GP contractor needed help or advice getting a system to bare nekked metal, then they could ask and we were glad to help if we could. But laziness and downright ripping off the customer would get you kicked out in a heartbeat.

 

[Scott Stone]

I am really uncomfortable with this discussion. There are plenty of places that this can be discussed, where the vibe is not perceived as being negative. Can we just do what all of our mothers said, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

 

[Alexy]

I am really uncomfortable with this discussion. There are plenty of places that this can be discussed, where the vibe is not perceived as being negative. Can we just do what all of our mothers said, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

I agree and let's be honest here all this thread is a thinly vieled slight on what happened at the UAMCC anyway. Let it lie and die. All the examples listed in the first post was about the UAMCC and someones bad experience. Sorry it did not work out but move on.
As far as the grease police. The org is dormant ( for now) but still active among the members who are still on the forum.

 

[Tony Shelton]

I agree and let's be honest here all this thread is a thinly vieled slight on what happened at the UAMCC anyway. Let it lie and die. All the examples listed in the first post was about the UAMCC and someones bad experience. Sorry it did not work out but move on.
As far as the grease police. The org is dormant ( for now) but still active among the members who are still on the forum.

The UAMCC isn't dead. It was a couple of months ago and they didn't even know it.

But now it has a chance to survive. It's possible it could turn into something positive if the new BOD purges out the old and starts over with a more open and honest philosophy.

I should have posted this at the beginning of this thread instead of waiting.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

GP contractors had surprise inspections of pics. They had to produce pics of the previous week upon request of the board. It is reality and it can be done, but not by another contractor that has a full plate from their business already.

Thats was a great idea in theory, I see the problems with the industry having problems.

The real answer is the customer, when you educate them to the point the liability of blind eyes wont work.

Its a bit the same as contractors being told and then ignoring the problem.

If we as and industry truly had a program educating the end users by and association the industry would raise standards and ultimately cause a raise in price.

As we know raising standard for some wont raise profits. It costs to clean stuff right, I have set standards in my market to only cause low ball larry to make more profit and robb people. All the while make way more money than me.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

The UAMCC isn't dead. It was a couple of months ago and they didn't even know it.

But now it has a chance to survive. It's possible it could turn into something positive if the new BOD purges out the old and starts over with a more open and honest philosophy.

I should have posted this at the beginning of this thread instead of waiting.

Tony your just miss informed, this can be taken about each and every org we have, all of them have had similar problems.

Whats the formula to stop this repeating of people doing this.

The UAMCC said it did not want to be the PWNA of the past. Seems the PWNA learned from there past mistakes and the UAMCC gave lip service.

 

[Scott Stone]

I agree and let's be honest here all this thread is a thinly vieled slight on what happened at the UAMCC anyway. Let it lie and die. All the examples listed in the first post was about the UAMCC and someones bad experience. Sorry it did not work out but move on.
As far as the grease police. The org is dormant ( for now) but still active among the members who are still on the forum.

For what it is worth, there are more than a few people that have had similar experiences with the UAMCC..

 

[Guy Blackmon]

The UAMCC isn't dead. It was a couple of months ago and they didn't even know it.

But now it has a chance to survive. It's possible it could turn into something positive if the new BOD purges out the old and starts over with a more open and honest philosophy.

I should have posted this at the beginning of this thread instead of waiting.

I couldn't agree more Tony!!!

As I have said before, "Give This BOD A Chance" It's going to be a slow process because as Ant pointed out, these guys (BOD) are Contractors & Family Men. But I absolutely believe in these guys!!!! They're going to turn the UAMCC around, and put the Org. back on track.

Really John, you've got more class than to kick this Org. when it's down!!!

Tell you the truth I wasn't going to renew my Membership (not because of Carlos's involvement in anything). But now I am rethinking the whole thing, and watching to see how the BOD will step up and take leadership of the Org. There are some wrongs that need to be righted (not just my situation), there are some situations that need to be handled both publicly and privately. So we'll see what happens.

 

[Lou hoods&more]

I find this all so funny.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

I couldn't agree more Tony!!!

As I have said before, "Give This BOD A Chance" It's going to be a slow process because as Ant pointed out, these guys (BOD) are Contractors & Family Men. But I absolutely believe in these guys!!!! They're going to turn the UAMCC around, and put the Org. back on track.

Really John, you've got more class than to kick this Org. when it's down!!!

Tell you the truth I wasn't going to renew my Membership (not because of Carlos's involvement in anything). But now I am rethinking the whole thing, and watching to see how the BOD will step up and take leadership of the Org. There are some wrongs that need to be righted (not just my situation), there are some situations that need to be handled both publicly and privately. So we'll see what happens.

People may think this is directed at the UAMCC, my goals are what can we do as people to help ensure the same mistakes dont keep repeating themselves.

Funny how they say history repeats.

Anyone being told to join to strengthen the force agaisnt someone else is wrong also. We should all be working together for common ground.

Many of these orgs are motivated bu what others are doing instead of there own agendas.


Nothing should be started because of hate or someone else doing something different.

Its should founded on what you can do right!!!

 

[Ron Musgraves]

I can tell you that a sure fire way to bring an organization down is to have and EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PAY HIMSELF AND CALL ALL THE SHOTS. Also the same Director putting names of people on legal documents without there knowledge. This Corporate Greed can destroy an org. in a matter of no time. When one gets the power and abuses it like this so many others will eventually see this for what it is and they will want to get out.

I disagree, I think it was working good when Carlos was getting Paid. He was actually working and excited about getting the things done.

It was when he couldnt figure out how he was going to keep getting Paid. The way he had promised the org would be run had to stop.

Thats what thru the curve ball at them.

If Carlos could keep getting paid and the UAMCC had money things would be moving right along.

 

[Carolina Prowash]

orgs go in the crapper when they don't do the right thing< even when no one is looking...............or piss off the wrong people

 

[Clean County PW]

orgs go in the crapper when they don't do the right thing< even when no one is looking...............or piss off the wrong people

BINGO!!! Celeste you figured it out. People get doubly hurt when they volunteer there time and maybe even donate money on top of that and the org. doesn't do the right thing. She has it all figured out.

Like Guy said this new BOD may have there hands full but it is only fair to give them some time to see if they can fix what they percieve problems are. If all goes well I could even renew my membership. I do like to report what I see for better or worse at times to keep as many people in touch as to what is going on...but in this case it is tough to let go when you feel like you were robbed.
Lets see where they go from here and I do wish them luck.