EPA Enforcement in 2012 Protects Communities From Harmful Pollution

Good choice. Mike is more than capable. Congrats Mike.

Ron Musgraves said:

Here's a little sample of some of Scotts Work Robert

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Nice, well written. Congratulations Scott.

Ron Musgraves said:

Mike Woolley Just appointed to Canada's Team , Mike will have a rep from each province. Even though canada is not as far along we as industry people want to start promoting we can resolve the issues of pollution at point source not create more pollution.

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Because of Doug Latimer, I think you will find Canada ahead of the US in environmental issures.

Robert Hinderliter said:

Because of Doug Latimer, I think you will find Canada ahead of the US in environmental issures.

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If your talking about Fleets I believe that Statement. Washing of concrete there govs are not on the forefront.

Mike Wolley will be the channel for Canadians

Latimer is another one to be aware of. He is on record that it is illegal to allow wash water to be diverted to grass.

offdutyfireman said:

Latimer is another one to be aware of. He is on record that it is illegal to allow wash water to be diverted to grass.

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Didn't Latimer and Robert sue each other at one time? Ron and I have never sued each other. Scott and Ron have never sued each other. Doug and William have never sued each other.

How many of the "elite" Pwna members have? Who is next on their list?

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If Robert still wants to play, maybe he can tell me what my regulators said this is specifically made for and explain why, when cleaning this center Robert alone would advise me to pick up and take possession of runoff then put it in a sewer somewhere.

NOTE: I don't believe this is ON property. I think the property ends at the fence and the state takes over.

And what is the grass specifically there for?

By the way, this is NOT simply a landscaped area.







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Ron Musgraves said:

Here's a little sample of some of Scotts Work Robert

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EXCELLENT!! Between the usual sniper shots from Tony Shelton( love ya bro) and a few others we are getting progress. 21,000 views in probably the most heated and visited thread of importance and very well the most visited thread in this short amount of time in the history of Powerwashing bb's we slowly but surely are getting somewhere.

Man I love the war room!! We keep pushing each other to drive this.. I can stay with this in person for as long as it takes... Thankfully here no one has been "band" and this thread is still going.... Finally we see some progress..

Ohio pressure wash said:

Please....enough with the "Cosmetic Power Washing"

Isn't washing a car "cosmetic?
Isn't a laundromat for "cosmetic" cleaning of clothes and fabric?
Carpet's get dirty...isn't cleaning them just "cosmetic"?

Why don't any of these industries use this same term in their BMP's or have their Org leaders repeating it over and over and over?

I'll tell you why...because it isn't rational, reasonable or logical to expect people to live in filth. Keeping your living environment clean is important. It isn't rational, reasonable or logical for an industry to suggest to regulators that their services are optional luxury's.

Please stop helping us...

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Barry, I couldn't agree more and actually had a conversation with Robert about this on another board a while back. He told me that the EPA needed a "Classification Name" for what we do. He told me he was responsible for that EPA Classification term......You may now thank him.

City of Austin outlaws Sealcoat for parking lots.

Determines runoff from oil drippings, tire particles, coolant, etc insignificant contributor of contaminants compared to sealcoat.

Prefers you install concrete. Runoff of oil on the surface preferable to sealcoat.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3147/pdf/fs2005-3147.pdf

Guy Blackmon said:

Barry, I couldn't agree more and actually had a conversation with Robert about this on another board a while back. He told me that the EPA needed a "Classification Name" for what we do. He told me he was responsible for that EPA Classification term......You may now thank him.

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What are your thoughts for a different "classification name" ?
"maintenance cleaning" or anything else has to be better than cosmetic.
Cosmetic sure doesn't sound "necessary" to me.

More craziness with numbers:

Psychotic.

According to this study one approximately 363 million gallons of oil enter the coastal area waters each year.



According to this one 1 gallon of oil can contaminate 1 million gallons of water.



Here's how much water is in the entire Pacific ocean



Now if that is even remotely right that means the 363,000 billion gallons of coastal water is contaminated each year.

That's about 2% of the entire Pacific Ocean.

If all this was true shouldn't everything be dead in the white area below?



I'm not saying oil runoff isn't a problem. But I am saying we need to look at it honestly and find practical solutions that work while allowing us to live as human beings.

Just like the "no seal coat" in Austin. I wonder who instigated that study? Who stands to make money if something as simple, inexpensive and logical as occasional sealcoating is outlawed?

Asphalt companies who want to have to keep reinstalling asphalt?

Permeable pavement MFG's?

Follow the money.

Trae R said:

What are your thoughts for a different "classification name" ?
"maintenance cleaning" or anything else has to be better than cosmetic.
Cosmetic sure doesn't sound "necessary" to me.

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I don't know, maybe we should be required to reclaim this:




How about "Health and Safety Maintenance Cleaning"?

Robert is right about one thing, people do things to increase their "economic revenue stream" including making up false BS to scare people into believing their particular product must be sold or the whole world is going to collapse.

I was not very familiar with that concept because I don't use it. I make a living based on the quality, speed and price competitiveness of my product.

I wonder why Robert is so familiar with it?

Trae R said:

What are your thoughts for a different "classification name" ?
"maintenance cleaning" or anything else has to be better than cosmetic.
Cosmetic sure doesn't sound "necessary" to me.

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maintenance cleaning sounds okay....anything is better than cosmetic cleaning.

Anything that implies we reduce pollution....

One of the biggest problems is that our services are measured against "doing nothing". It's probably very likely that a good deep cleaning of a gas station will result in some release even with the best BMP's. But comparing that to any other single day is the incorrect way of looking at it. You have to look at what that site would have leached per quarter, 6 and 12 months with no cleaning.

Remember, when it snows or rains, all that oil is transferred right out to the streets from runoff and tires. These sites are being cleaned every rain and mother nature doesn't have BMP's (and can't be fined). If quarterly cleanings using minimal procedures produced 5% of the annual pollution in a single day but lowered the annual pollution by 60% then why in hell would you discourage people with ridiculous rules and fines?

I remember the first time I talked to Ron. I was just getting into commercial and all kinds of lofty ideas. I told him I had a plan to get some long term monitoring of similar sites, cleaned and uncleaned to compare the pollution following a rain.

IMHO, we need to show the regulators the proof. We need to validate this. The revenue source (property owners) need brought into mix. Only when there is a regulation "to clean" can we afford to buy and operate the expensive equipment.

I hate to give PWNA and Robert any ideas but every time I think about that statement that pressure washers will go underground, I think of that show "Moonshiners".

This week on Discovery Channel - PressureWashers
Sneaking around...hiding from the law...cleaning at night

Trae R said:

What are your thoughts for a different "classification name" ?
"maintenance cleaning" or anything else has to be better than cosmetic.
Cosmetic sure doesn't sound "necessary" to me.

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I would rather have a discussion about that with the "Majority" (25%ers) of PW Contractors on the different boards and a poll or vote on the term "We" would rather use. I find the term "Cosmetic Cleaning" degrading and doesn't even begin to describe how we as Professionals view "Who We Are & What We Do". How will we ever be taken seriously as an Industry with the "Classification" of "Cosmetic Cleaner"???

Sanitation Technician is a Garbageman...Right? To be sure we can come up with a better Classification than "Cosmetic Cleaner" but of course the EPA will never change their classification of us, Robert told me that.

Guy Blackmon said:

I would rather have a discussion about that with the "Majority" (25%ers) of PW Contractors on the different boards and a poll or vote on the term "We" would rather use. I find the term "Cosmetic Cleaning" degrading and doesn't even begin to describe how we as Professionals view "Who We Are & What We Do". How will we ever be taken seriously as an Industry with the "Classification" of "Cosmetic Cleaner"???

Sanitation Technician is a Garbageman...Right? To be sure we can come up with a better Classification than "Cosmetic Cleaner" but of course the EPA will never change their classification of us, Robert told me that.

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That sound great.

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Ohio pressure wash said:

I hate to give PWNA and Robert any ideas but every time I think about that statement that pressure washers will go underground, I think of that show "Moonshiners".

This week on Discovery Channel - PressureWashers
Sneaking around...hiding from the law...cleaning at night

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Ahahahaha!!!! I love it!!!

We'd all have really weird nicknames......Hey did you hear, the revenuers got ole "Turbo Nozzle" tonight, wheres "Buffer Tank" anybody seed him??? Hahaha!!!