Can someone explain something to me?

Scott Stone

Scott Stone

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On the one hand, you have a guy that is he following:
He has helped multiple round tables for free, often spending his own money to make sure they are a success, and everyting that they have been billed as being.
Heads an organization for free, that helps contractors
Has gone to bat, at his own expense for free
Has established a BBS for free, and has never asked for a single penny to run it.

The others are building for-profit organizations
want access to your customer date base, so they can help you
Are continually bad mouthing people
Are contacting the powers outside their area of operation to influence the storm water policies
Charge significant amounts to attend their round tables, and fail to totally deliver

Which one is the one that is continually getting labeled as self serving and bad for the industry?
 
This is going to be a long thread.
 
I have no explanation. What boggles my mind is guys close to Ron who work with him like me, you, Ty, Chris S, and Tom see a totally different person from the caricature invented by guys who only see, speak or text Ron from a distance.

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I agree with you guys, Ron has really done more for the industry than most other people put together but there are some that just live to spread lies about him, say bad things about the NCE events, tell contractors that the charity money goes into his pocket and other lies just to try to make Ron sound like a bad person.

I really don't understand why people would do such things, is it to feel some kind of jolly spreading lies about a good person? Maybe they all try to have a contest to see who can make up the most lies about people and celebrate in their circlejerk sessions?

I just cannot understand what makes people think up so many lies, want to create so much drama, keep on wanting to divide the industry and start threads just to bash people and get away with it when moderators and the owners of the site see what is happening, then take the threads down out of view after everyone out there has had a chance to see them and the damage is done, I just cannot understand it at all.
 
They are petty and jealous. The are industry leaders who have earned that moniker and those who want to take it and put it on themselves. A couple years back the window cleaning industry lost 2 industry leaders. It clearly left a void. Sad thing is that there have been some who have tried to put themselves or others into those spots and it doesn't work. It has to be earned it can't be demanded and forced.
 
Ron is a greedy money sucking selfish bastard !!
 
I see John T made a post with the exact same title as this one to berate Ron on The Crime Scene. Their new moderator Kris P is calling for a boycott on all things Ron. Sad and pathetic group of bitter people over there.
 
All I want are my hats... :(
 
I txted that no-good, money-grubbing, worthless p.o.s. Ron yesterday (a Holiday, mind you) asking him how to sort some info via this site.

His immediate reply was, "Call you in a sec, gotta get out of the pool." I replied back, immediately, saying "what the hell is the matter with you, its not That important, enjoy your barbecue!"

That's the Ron I know.

I don't know anything about the other board. I don't know if Ron is a scoundrel or not. What I DO know is every time I ask, he delivers, patiently and without delay and without complaint.
 
Its simple: They're punching up.

Why would they waste time picking on us smaller guys?
 
On the one hand you have Ron, who everyone has seen spend more money in one night at a restaurant paying everyone else's bill at an event than the entire event took in!

On the other hand you have Jim, who refused to drive to my event unless Ron flew someone to San Francisco to ride with him and constantly begs everyone to pay for his plane tickets or fuel.


On the one hand you have Ron, who flies all over the country to try to help when water restrictions or unfair regulations are causing trouble.

On the other hand you have Robert, who goes to areas where the relationship with AHJ's is good and offers to sell his services as a "consultant" to the authorities.


On the one hand you have Ron, who spends at least 15 hours a week working on the UAMCC to the detriment of his own business.

On the other hand you have Thad, who kept a seat on the UAMCC BOD while secretly building a competing "for profit" org.


The others over at the other board aren't even worth mentioning. Their contribution to the industry exists only in their own minds.

I am humbled by the way I see (with my own two eyes) Ron deal with a large family with an age range from infant to mid twenties, a business he has to run, (and sell for), a forum to run, an Org to run and on top of that has to deal with a constant stream of wannabees who don't have the character, stamina, nor drive to tie his shoes.


Over at the other board John T has made claims that we "lied" about their event. Here's a little something for you John, (I know when you are here, I see your IP.) How about some proof of any lies I or Ron told? I've presented plenty of proof about your lies. And I've got a lot more to go!

Who here is stupid enough to look at two people - one with a set of documented lies on paper - and another who simply shouts "he lied" all the time, and believe the latter? Is there anyone really that stupid?
 
Scott Stone said:
On the one hand, you have a guy that is he following:
He has helped multiple round tables for free, often spending his own money to make sure they are a success, and everyting that they have been billed as being.
Heads an organization for free, that helps contractors
Has gone to bat, at his own expense for free
Has established a BBS for free, and has never asked for a single penny to run it.

The others are building for-profit organizations
want access to your customer date base, so they can help you
Are continually bad mouthing people
Are contacting the powers outside their area of operation to influence the storm water policies
Charge significant amounts to attend their round tables, and fail to totally deliver

Which one is the one that is continually getting labeled as self serving and bad for the industry?
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You forgot delivered members to the same people that shit on him, kicked him in the teeth, what ever else you wanna call it.
 
Can't anybody spot jealousy anymore?? That's all it is. That's why someone was sent to investigate him. That's why thread after thread is started by John and then it's the same old 3,4, and 5 guy's that jump in with him. Then they see they can't get to Ron so they decide to go after his friends, then they see they can't get to his friends so they just attack attack attack him on the boards. I really feel sorrow for them. It's just sad. Their not wannabe's Tony, their RONNABEES.

It was great seeing and spending time with Ron this past week at Milwaukee, we don't get to talk as much on the phone as we used to because I have just been so dang busy, but it was great sitting down and talking and strengthening our resolve to help contractors through more FREE training events like what we did in Milwaukee.

I often sit amazed at the willingness of Ron to help contractors as successful as he is. There truly is no one else like him in our industry. I value our friendship and consider him like a brother, (yet he treats me like a son sometimes) just as I do guy's like Larry, Scott, and Tony. Guy's that are ALWAYS there to help you whether it is in business or personal life.

Love ya Ron.....and as Emma Grace would say...."Let's do this thing"
 
I'm not calling motives into question, but I have two GENERAL questions:
1. is it inherently wrong to derive income for your time and efforts when it is designed to help the industry?
2. it is inherently right to selflessly give of your time and energies at no cost for the sake of an industry you are endeared to?

Don't read into this more than it is intended, please.
It just seems like so many people deify the industries they are involved in, instead of viewing their livelihoods as a vehicle to the more important things in life.
 
It wouldn't be an issue either way Dan if ones who simply went about doing things either of those two ways instead of attacking constantly (or sending their "friends" to do their dirty work). The sad reality is that there is a group that is working hard to discredit certain people in an effort to steal some of the attention for their own money making ventures. That is inherently wrong.
 
danwagner said:
I'm not calling motives into question, but I have two GENERAL questions:
1. is it inherently wrong to derive income for your time and efforts when it is designed to help the industry?
2. it is inherently right to selflessly give of your time and energies at no cost for the sake of an industry you are endeared to?

Don't read into this more than it is intended, please.
It just seems like so many people deify the industries they are involved in, instead of viewing their livelihoods as a vehicle to the more important things in life.
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1. No. If one has the character and morals to remain on the path towards helping the industry without giving in to the temptation if using that position to better himself at the expense of others

2. Yes. If that is the choice one makes.

I would be curious to hear your opinion Dan.

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When you are a kid growing up a lot of parents tell their kids to not always believe everything you hear as a lot of people out there are telling tall stories, stretching the truth or just lying and you need to find out for yourself or ask parents for their opinions to make sure.

What is really sad is that there are so many "Ron Haters" out there that don't know him, have not tried to spend time around him, talk to him at length or any type of communication to find out who and how he really is. There are a lot of us here that have spent a lot of time having dinner, spending time at Round Tables, Conventions, classes and other types of time-sharing activities that you find out a lot about people you are with and you get a good knowledge of what kind of character they have.

I just don't understand how these people cannot, will not or will not even try to learn more about Ron to see what a great and generous person he really is.

Are these people that easily brainwashed, weak-minded that they mindlessly follow what other people are saying as gospel and don't have the brainpower to find out for themself to learn the truth?

It is really sad that people new to these forums, new to the business or both can blindly believe what the "Ron Haters" are saying about him without spending a little bit of time to learn the truth for themself.

Maybe they are afraid that they will become some of the hated and be not liked, not have many friends or whatever else happens to those that learn the truth about Ron and what a good person he is.

Maybe it is some of this, maybe it is all of this but whatever it is, these people will not have the opportunity to know who Ron really is, how he has helped this industry more than all of the haters put together (they think that they have done things for the industry but really mostly for themselves) and how smart he is and can help many, many people when needed like the Houston fiasco that was all because of a small group of people but Houston is finally on the right track and contractors are working again and not fearing to be out there working and getting fined illegally by the officials that were mis-informed on purpose.

Ron will be retiring soon and there is not anyone that I know of, met or heard of that has his knowledge in the truth, the environmental issues and solutions for those of us in the pressure cleaning industry along with the 30 more or less years of building a successful business and helping others along the way that will be there to help us like how Ron has helped so many in so many parts of this country. There are a lot of guys with a lot of years in the business but not many have the knowledge of dealing with the (truthful) environmental issues and solutions for them along with helping others around the country, helping to spread the truth of recovery/reclaim, building business, helping to put together events to help contractors and the many other things that Ron does each year to help so many of us.

I just cannot imagine why there are people out there hating him so much but maybe it is because he is helping so many see the truth out there and helping them educate themselves so that they are not falling prey to the mis-information out there being spread to over-regulate the industry. Eventually the need to buy over-priced equipment just to do the same job they do now because of people in high (perceived) places in the industry telling regulators what needs to be done and trying to get the regulators to pay for their knowledge in doing so and then make contractors buy this equipment because of the new regulations will be the way things are done in the not so far away future unless more and more see the truth of what is happening now and open their eyes all with the help from Ron.

Thank You Ron!
 
Christopher said:
When you are a kid growing up a lot of parents tell their kids to not always believe everything you hear as a lot of people out there are telling tall stories, stretching the truth or just lying and you need to find out for yourself or ask parents for their opinions to make sure.

What is really sad is that there are so many "Ron Haters" out there that don't know him, have not tried to spend time around him, talk to him at length or any type of communication to find out who and how he really is. There are a lot of us here that have spent a lot of time having dinner, spending time at Round Tables, Conventions, classes and other types of time-sharing activities that you find out a lot about people you are with and you get a good knowledge of what kind of character they have.

I just don't understand how these people cannot, will not or will not even try to learn more about Ron to see what a great and generous person he really is.

Are these people that easily brainwashed, weak-minded that they mindlessly follow what other people are saying as gospel and don't have the brainpower to find out for themself to learn the truth?

It is really sad that people new to these forums, new to the business or both can blindly believe what the "Ron Haters" are saying about him without spending a little bit of time to learn the truth for themself.

Maybe they are afraid that they will become some of the hated and be not liked, not have many friends or whatever else happens to those that learn the truth about Ron and what a good person he is.

Maybe it is some of this, maybe it is all of this but whatever it is, these people will not have the opportunity to know who Ron really is, how he has helped this industry more than all of the haters put together (they think that they have done things for the industry but really mostly for themselves) and how smart he is and can help many, many people when needed like the Houston fiasco that was all because of a small group of people but Houston is finally on the right track and contractors are working again and not fearing to be out there working and getting fined illegally by the officials that were mis-informed on purpose.

Ron will be retiring soon and there is not anyone that I know of, met or heard of that has his knowledge in the truth, the environmental issues and solutions for those of us in the pressure cleaning industry along with the 30 more or less years of building a successful business and helping others along the way that will be there to help us like how Ron has helped so many in so many parts of this country. There are a lot of guys with a lot of years in the business but not many have the knowledge of dealing with the (truthful) environmental issues and solutions for them along with helping others around the country, helping to spread the truth of recovery/reclaim, building business, helping to put together events to help contractors and the many other things that Ron does each year to help so many of us.

I just cannot imagine why there are people out there hating him so much but maybe it is because he is helping so many see the truth out there and helping them educate themselves so that they are not falling prey to the mis-information out there being spread to over-regulate the industry. Eventually the need to buy over-priced equipment just to do the same job they do now because of people in high (perceived) places in the industry telling regulators what needs to be done and trying to get the regulators to pay for their knowledge in doing so and then make contractors buy this equipment because of the new regulations will be the way things are done in the not so far away future unless more and more see the truth of what is happening now and open their eyes all with the help from Ron.

Thank You Ron!
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The best way to handle someone that might not like you is don't give them any reason to do so and don't hold in that same anger towards them.

If you want to simplify this....this is what I was taught a kid....
Take 2 kids fist fighting pounding each other.....I was not taught to beat the kid to a pulp.....but it takes more courage o walk away from a fight.
When 2 people fight, hate,exchange words ect....no good comes comes out of it until someone rises above
For me that Principal still applies
 
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