First commercial job blunder

PWINoob

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Hey guys I had a chance to clean my first business last night and the results were not good. I couldn't get it clean at all!

I'm not sure whether I am looking at a lack of pressure on my machine, use of improper chemicals, rushed dwell times or all of the above.

The job was to PW the patio of a Mellow Mushroom Pizza place. The patio is about 30 feet long and tapers from 10 to 15 or so feet wide. It contains steel tables and chains that have left stains on the concrete surface. I do not have experience removing these type of stains and like the novice that I am was not expecting anything other than high traffic staining.
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The machine I am using is a Cold Gas 4GPM 4000psi Pressure Pro Belt Drive. I also have a 20" Surface cleaner. I purchase a psi gauge to view my psi while I get used to the job and was surprised to find that I as maxing out pressure with the surface cleaner at in the 2000s. I had the adjustable knob on the unloader set at the highest pressure, the engine was at full operating RPM, and my ball valve was all the way open. My wand was topping out at around 3500 PSI as well. I figured that was max for the wand because when you release the handle the pressure spike puts the PSI over 4000 ever so slightly so my guess was it is a safety feature to protect the lines and gun.
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The chemicals I was using were ones that I know were not optimum for the job but I figured they would get it done with some added elbow grease. I am using 12% SH and Powerhouse Wash. I mixed at a ratio of 2SH - 2PH - 2[H20] for a strong mix. I used my m-5 Xjet to apply chems and allowed to dwell for 10 mins.
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After 10 mins dwell time I hit it with the surface cleaner.
As you can see from the video the surface cleaner has no effect on the staining.


Here is an image of the cause of the staining. Power washing with surface cleaner has no effect and wand has some effect at 3500 PSI but it only takes away the deepest darkest parts with the majority of the stain remaining.
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I remember reading about a chemical on here that one of the members invented and promotes (F1 maybe?). Is that what I need to clean this? Any feedback would be great. I am looking forward to learning the hard way here and going back and doing a professional job.

Thanks!​
 
Greg,

First off, for these types of cleanings its recommended to use Hot Water machines. But I don't think that was an issue here. The stains you are trying to remove seen in the image of the chair are Rust Stains. Rust stains from the metal chair feet. You need F9, preferred, or Super Iron Out from home depot to remove those stains. F9 works great. Here is the link http://www.front9restoration.com/

I would handle a cleaning like this by first treating the rust with F9 then washing it off. Once the rust stains were removed I would degrease the entire area and SCRUB in the heavy grease stains by the front entrance ways. Then I would use HOT water and surface clean the entire area. Then switch to my wand, remove the gum and rinse the debris off the concrete.

A job like this should take 30-45 mins. Hope this helps. Good Luck!

PS - You might have wrong tips in the surface cleaner too
 
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Thumbs up on the F9 rust removal. It should have been a up sell though.


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These guys are right on with the F9. Let me also stress the importance of heat, especially in a restaurant environment. It wouldn't have helped you with the rust, but it will cut the grease much better than cold. It's kind of like washing dishes with cold water..... the grease will stick much more.
 
The Video is great....... however I will tell you to try the EBC if you are in the Southeast. Dont expect the same results in the video with cold water. It seems to work best with Hot Water.. Carlos is super helpful and a stand up guy!! Just don't promise your customer a result with hot water when you are using cold water. The Southeast mix concrete may be more porous or whoever scientific reason there is.... But... EBC seems to work bed with HOT WATER. Again ... you might have good results with it.. but you all probably have to add something to your mix... and Hot water is key... EBC has a lot of great before and afters and it works.... but there is no Magic bottle to substitute hot water on greasy, syrupy concrete surfaces.
 
The Video is great....... however I will tell you to try the EBC if you are in the Southeast. Dont expect the same results in the video with cold water. It seems to work best with Hot Water.. Carlos is super helpful and a stand up guy!! Just don't promise your customer a result with hot water when you are using cold water. The Southeast mix concrete may be more porous or whoever scientific reason there is.... But... EBC seems to work bed with HOT WATER. Again ... you might have good results with it.. but you all probably have to add something to your mix... and Hot water is key... EBC has a lot of great before and afters and it works.... but there is no Magic bottle to substitute hot water on greasy, syrupy concrete surfaces.

+10........

Whats up with you all's concrete down there? lol
 
Thanks all of you for the input and advice I will let you know what happens I ordered some F9 and I will post more pictures of hopefully a job well done... (As good as I can with cold i guess).. Thanks!
 
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