Box Truck Design

RGilliam

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I was wondering how you guys that are running box trucks have them set up. I see alot of them with the big 1500 gal vertical tanks that sits in the front of the box. That seems like alot of water to be moving around when its half way full.

I was thinking the tanks should be closer to the back axle. We used to run a truck that had 3 400gal tanks that sat right over the rear axle. The tanks were baffled and stood about 6 foot tall. Both of the machines sat in the front of the box and you had to go through the side door to get to them. All the hose reels where behind the tanks, so when you rolled up the back door they were right there. I thought about doing that but the problem is, the new truck doesnt have a side door. It's 20ft box and has a 26k GVWR. I thought about doing some rectangular tanks? I would like to get anywhere from 1000 - 1200 gal of water. Then about a 500 gal tank for my waste water. Any suggestions? or maybe some pictures of what everyone is running?

Thanks
 
You can do it but need a side door. The side door must also be able to fit a machine (that you have) through the door in the event of a major service. On the truck that I believe that you run, FL-70, I dont think that 8-10k worth of water will hurt the truck. I would also caution about driving it with 750 gallons of water though.....Unless you have those tank balls or a similar anti slosh feature. I wont drive the truck on the street with more than 350 gallons. I fill at the site and run the tank down or open the dump valve when complete.
Gimme a call, it is easier to say it than type it.
Good luck,
Mike.
 
I have a 1500 gal tank in one of my FL70 trucks. The suspension is strong enough to handle it and I have never noticed any extensive sloshing at all. Actually I have noticed the round tanks seem to settle down faster because when the water hits the side it disperses evenly in both directions. This seems to reduce the rocking effect. Like mentioned above I put my tanks about 2/3 over the rear axle and have the machines in the front of the box vented through the roof. I found that with the tanks being farther back I was able to reduce the excessive weight on the front tires and balance the load better.
 
The New truck I am running a 1250 gallon tank with about 2/3 over the rear wheels and the last third in front. I wanted and even ordered the 1500 gallon tank only to not have it fit in the box.
I am also sticking a 500 gallon tank behind the big tank which will still be a bit over the rear axle. The only reason for this tank is because I already have it and am taking it out of the old truck. Its extra water, and could eventually turn into a reclaim tank if needed down the road.
I have a 22 ft box with a side door, the side door was a must in deciding the box. Engine (900 lbs), burner (600 lbs), and everything else sit from the big tank to the front. Only thing at the back is all the reels for wash and chemical.
You want the majority of the weight on the rear wheels, although putting it a little forward so your steering axle has some weight on it is also good.
I would too recommend making or getting somebody to build you a side door. Getting around the 1250 is next to impossible in my standard width box.
Good luck!
 
Benjamin, any pictures of the inside of the box?
 
Propane primary furnace with an add on wood furnace.
 
Ok, here is some Photo's of the truck, and some of the equipment. I didn't have time to give it a wash before I left and couldn't wash it where it was due to drainage rules.

Front side, the paint is missing I am sorry it has been rather low on my priority list to fix. It is a Freightliner FL112 with a Cummins ISM 380 hp with 1400ft/lbs of torque. It's total GVWR is 56000lbs, and with everything full I only max out at 44,000 lbs. I can lock the rear differential and the first and second diffs together and it has also an 18 Speed Eaton Autoshift in here. Its not the most dependable, but easiest to learn without instruction. Truck box was a refer box so it is fully insulated, not in the best shape, but does what it needs to do. Truck also has an Espar heater for the engine and one for the box. The coolant heater for the engine is because I can sit all day out in the middle of a field in -40`c and want to be able to start it to get home. Box heater is in case I have a long drive, it kinda came with the refer box and I have not had to use it yet.
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Other Side, sorry For the dirt, but I wanted to show the extra fuel on the box that carries the diesel for the burner. 80 gallons of marked diesel is what it holds, and yes it does hurt when I have to fill it up from empty.
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Back side, small 600 gallon tank as backup/reserve right now that is in place if or when I get into reclaim. Hoses on the left are chemical/degreaser hoses, 1/4 inch pressure wash hoses about 150 ft. I used air lines but they could not stand the abuse of being pulled everywhere and broke to often. These cost way more, but they don't break and I am not having to fix them all the time. Top reel is an airline attached to the truck, pumping up tires, blowing out lines, even running an air tool on site if needed. Right side bottom two reels are 300ft pressure wash lines with only one hooked up most of the time. The top reel has the drain cleaning/ice cleaning thermoplastic line on it. I don't use it often so that is why it got put the highest and most out of the way. The 2 inch pump was to transfer the water from the back tank to another truck that day. I had to carry a refill for another truck that was onsite as we had no access to water.
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Picture of just the engine, pumps, unloaders, ect. It sometimes gets a little warm inside the box, so that is why I suck in air from the outside for the engine intake. Engine is 35 hp Vanguard, pumps are TS2021 and the unloaders are pulsar with blue spring. Both pumps are dual fed with 1 inch lines to each side with cam locks so the head is way easier to get off if needed. There is a shelf above this setup with a small inverter generator and the gas tank for the engine. I run the inverter generator for the 120v hotbox, I prefer that setup over a 12v setup or generator on the main engine. This is the front of the box, that side door seen in the photo above is on the right.
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Here is just a picture of the hotbox, both lines from each pump comes into one, each has a pressure gauge and a one way valve. The unloaders are one way valves, but I felt better with dedicated valves who's sole purpose was this. No sense in wrecking or wearing out unloaders quicker then I have to. The valve off the one line just before the "T" needs a hose attached, but it is so I can depressurize the system when needed to get rocks out of nozzles when needed. The shelf behind holds different chem mixes for the hoses in the back. Just behind the burner is the 1500 gallon water tank, and right behind that is the 600 gallon tank.
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I thought I had one more of a shoot into the side door, but I guess not. To the left of those jugs of Chemicals is a bench with a vice on it to fix the crap that breaks in the field. I have spare almost everything with me with lots of different tools. I have had everything from flow switches, unloaders, thermostats, to you name it go. I also have complete seal and valve kits for both pumps in the truck as well as a spare shureflow pump.

Some of you might ask why such a big truck and the answer is because the jobs I typically get do not have water hook ups and water is heavy. I could count on my hand the amount of jobs with water access I have had in the last 3 years, it is few and far between. I don't touch residential with this truck due to the size and cost to drive it around. With both tanks full I can run 2 guys for 10 hours, maybe a little more cleaning heavy equipment. I had problems of running out of water when an hour outside of town and spending a quarter of my day running for water instead of cleaning. I can now get more cleaning, less driving and wasting fuel which means the customers are happy as things get done faster. I can also get more work done in a day when needed, and have been able to get bigger jobs due to the amount of water I can carry.

The best box design is one that makes sense for you and what your target market is. If all you plan on cleaning is houses stick to a pickup setup, if you plan on doing massive jobs with lots of water then a bigger truck is necessary. Also remember that it is better to make the truck bigger and or overspec, then to be over weight all the time. I never have to worry about a truck inspection or what would happen if I was in an accident as I am completely legal. Also if you are worried about insurance, I pay the same amount for this as I do my Isuzu and 2005 dodge 3500 dually, so that is not something I worry about.
 
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They appear now, thanks.
 
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