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v-SEAL
- Thread starter Ron Musgraves
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ok someone uses this stuff,, lets have it..
Beth & Rod
SR Wood Geek / Moderator
We use V-Seal. 
I used V Seal on a couple of projects several months ago. Penetrating, so no use on aggregate. Jay gives very good support. One issue is that there is no notable change in the "finish" of the surface, compared to an acrylic or acrylic copolymer. That is not a problem to me, but you need to communicate this to your customer.
Like a lot of other things we get involved in, with VSEal you need to learn the chemistry a little bit to convince yourself that the sealer provides an effective solution.
Like a lot of other things we get involved in, with VSEal you need to learn the chemistry a little bit to convince yourself that the sealer provides an effective solution.
I have used Vseal on a few jobs. It does do a good job of sealing. It goes on easy and dries pretty quick. The first time I used it, I was filling my sprayer in front of my garage and splashed some. Now whenever it rains you can see where it is. The water beads up and beside it, it is soaked in. I put some on my front sidewalk, after it rains it dries faster then other concrete. It is a good product.
I sealed a ice cream stands side walks with it, Now I can clean it in a breeze. The fats frome ice cream can be hard to get out of concrete.
I sealed a ice cream stands side walks with it, Now I can clean it in a breeze. The fats frome ice cream can be hard to get out of concrete.
Is it slippery when wet? I mean when it rains on it.
Ron, Lenny is correct. Most sealants are suface sealers. VSeal (and a few others) are penetrating. That is why it is not so effective on aggregate - can't penetrate the non-porous material. It reacts within the alkaline matrix of the concrete to effectively harden and seal against liquid penetration. (Jay at VSeal can give you the chemical skinny). Lenny also correctly stated that you really can not visually tell the VSeal is on the substrate. In my earlier post I mentioned that this needs to be explained to the customer - i.e. some people expect a "surfaced sealed" look.
CompletelyClean
New member
Any more opinions on V-Seal (or other sealers)? I have had several inquiries, however I have read so many pro's and con's with this and other concrete sealers that I am skeptical to sell this to my customers. Would sealing the concrete floor in an auto repair facility be beneficial? Will it make the floor look better or just help with future washings?
I like V-Seal for residential:
I like the fact that it can be applied to a damp concrete surface, which means you don't have to go back a second time or wait several hours for concrete to dry (as for most other sealers).
One coat is normally enough for medium porous surface and a 175 - 200 sq ft per gallon application is not unusual.
For a superior quality, a maintenance coat is recommended after 3 years (application rate is about 400 sq ft per gallon).
Most sealers do not provide great protection against oil, grease, brake, hydraulic fluids until you get into epoxy type coverings.
Albeit, penetrating sealers will provide some protection and a bit easier cleaning - most customers will mis-interpret the sealers protection capability and expect a lot more from them then they will actually provide. (my opinion)
I like the fact that it can be applied to a damp concrete surface, which means you don't have to go back a second time or wait several hours for concrete to dry (as for most other sealers).
One coat is normally enough for medium porous surface and a 175 - 200 sq ft per gallon application is not unusual.
For a superior quality, a maintenance coat is recommended after 3 years (application rate is about 400 sq ft per gallon).
Most sealers do not provide great protection against oil, grease, brake, hydraulic fluids until you get into epoxy type coverings.
Albeit, penetrating sealers will provide some protection and a bit easier cleaning - most customers will mis-interpret the sealers protection capability and expect a lot more from them then they will actually provide. (my opinion)
Deckcareplus
Deck Care Pro
maintenance
Paul or whomever,
I was wandering when selling the V-seal to customers if you push their guarantee that it will protect up to 20 years. I haven't used much of the V-seal but on the handful of jobs I have done I have brought that up just so the customer understands that this is a high quality sealant and not some kind of cheap Thompson's water seal.
Also you state that you apply a maintenance coat every three years how do you sell that? Doesn't that give the customer a bad perception of the quality of the sealant? Just curious?
Paul or whomever,
I was wandering when selling the V-seal to customers if you push their guarantee that it will protect up to 20 years. I haven't used much of the V-seal but on the handful of jobs I have done I have brought that up just so the customer understands that this is a high quality sealant and not some kind of cheap Thompson's water seal.
Also you state that you apply a maintenance coat every three years how do you sell that? Doesn't that give the customer a bad perception of the quality of the sealant? Just curious?
Rick,
I sell V-Seal as the highest quality penetrating sealer with a 20 year guarantee.
The understanding is that V-Seal becomes part of the substrate (concrete), so in order for it to wear away, the substrate also has to wear away. In 3 years, a customer may see some concrete wear from traffic abrasion on the top surface of the concrete, while still having V-Seals protection beneath the surface. The 3 year maintenance mist is an option, which would be applied to protect the eroded top layer of concrete.
The maintenance mist is applied at 400 sq ft per gallon which reduces the material cost. Since concrete should be cleaned once per year anyway, a maintenance mist for a 1000 sq ft driveway at time of cleaning COULD be sold for around $130.
(Since V-Seal can be applied to a damp surface, within matter of minutes after washing, spray application should take no more than 15 minutes for a 1000 sq ft area. 3 gallons of V-Seal about $60 or whatever contractor and quantity price you may be able to get from your local distributor.)
As Jay Tarantino of V-Seal says: "Bottom line is concrete is concrete and our customers need to understand that and quit asking you to treat it and expect it to act like slate, granite or marble."
I sell V-Seal as the highest quality penetrating sealer with a 20 year guarantee.
The understanding is that V-Seal becomes part of the substrate (concrete), so in order for it to wear away, the substrate also has to wear away. In 3 years, a customer may see some concrete wear from traffic abrasion on the top surface of the concrete, while still having V-Seals protection beneath the surface. The 3 year maintenance mist is an option, which would be applied to protect the eroded top layer of concrete.
The maintenance mist is applied at 400 sq ft per gallon which reduces the material cost. Since concrete should be cleaned once per year anyway, a maintenance mist for a 1000 sq ft driveway at time of cleaning COULD be sold for around $130.
(Since V-Seal can be applied to a damp surface, within matter of minutes after washing, spray application should take no more than 15 minutes for a 1000 sq ft area. 3 gallons of V-Seal about $60 or whatever contractor and quantity price you may be able to get from your local distributor.)
As Jay Tarantino of V-Seal says: "Bottom line is concrete is concrete and our customers need to understand that and quit asking you to treat it and expect it to act like slate, granite or marble."
Deckcareplus
Deck Care Pro
Paul, thanks for the reply posting. When you put into perspective that way it makes more sense.
Henry Bockman
Maryland Pressure Washing
I know everyone hates listing prices... But, whats an average price per square foot and will it work on brick...
What can you do for ephineference... Yeh I know, its mispelled.
What can you do for ephineference... Yeh I know, its mispelled.
Russ Johnson
Equipment Expert
Eacochem NMD80 will clean brick, concrete, limestone, and remove effluorescence. See them at www.eacochem.com.
Henry,
What per square foot price are you looking for?
These are prices that work for me in Southwest Ohio:
- Brick cleaning - new construction $30/1000 or $0.21 per sq ft.
- Concrete cleaning (residential) $0.08 per sq ft and up.
- Concrete sealing (residential) varies based on sealer brand being used; be it a penetrating or film type sealer; be it a 1 coat or 2 coat sealer. Labor and material ranges .018 - $0.32 per sq ft.
- V-seal 101 retails for $134.75 per 5 gallons (plus S&H). You can find a local distributor and reduce that by at least $30, and eliminate shipping cost. With tax exempt form you can collect tax from customer and reduce your sales tax burden.
- V-seal is economical in regards to labor costs as it can be applied to damp concrete shortly after cleaning (do not need a 2nd trip to the customer). You can apply it as a 1 coat sealer and coverage is approx 200 sq ft per gallon (+/- 50 sq ft) on semi-porous surfaces.
- V-seal will work on brick as will other sealers such as ChemMasters brand, Tamms brand, Aquapel by L&M and Prosoco Silane / Siloxane based penetrating sealers.
Efflorescence is caused by trace mineral found in some clays and cement products. It is basically a water soluble salt and is formed when moisture has been drawn out of the brick and has dried on the surface, leaving a residue. Efflorescence can be cleaned with Prosoco SK “Light Duty Concrete Cleaner”. Seal after brick has dried.
What per square foot price are you looking for?
These are prices that work for me in Southwest Ohio:
- Brick cleaning - new construction $30/1000 or $0.21 per sq ft.
- Concrete cleaning (residential) $0.08 per sq ft and up.
- Concrete sealing (residential) varies based on sealer brand being used; be it a penetrating or film type sealer; be it a 1 coat or 2 coat sealer. Labor and material ranges .018 - $0.32 per sq ft.
- V-seal 101 retails for $134.75 per 5 gallons (plus S&H). You can find a local distributor and reduce that by at least $30, and eliminate shipping cost. With tax exempt form you can collect tax from customer and reduce your sales tax burden.
- V-seal is economical in regards to labor costs as it can be applied to damp concrete shortly after cleaning (do not need a 2nd trip to the customer). You can apply it as a 1 coat sealer and coverage is approx 200 sq ft per gallon (+/- 50 sq ft) on semi-porous surfaces.
- V-seal will work on brick as will other sealers such as ChemMasters brand, Tamms brand, Aquapel by L&M and Prosoco Silane / Siloxane based penetrating sealers.
Efflorescence is caused by trace mineral found in some clays and cement products. It is basically a water soluble salt and is formed when moisture has been drawn out of the brick and has dried on the surface, leaving a residue. Efflorescence can be cleaned with Prosoco SK “Light Duty Concrete Cleaner”. Seal after brick has dried.
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