Calgary hood cleaning requirements
- Thread starter Douglas Hicks
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mtngoat
Member
RJT,
I have given this great thought.
You qualify for the Geritol cut rate plan as you will be needing all yer extra dough for Vitamin supplements and Medication in your golden grease years. A walker will be provided if you choose to attend the next "How to clean a hood" instructional class. If ya need to get on the roof, your Sol.
I have given this great thought.
You qualify for the Geritol cut rate plan as you will be needing all yer extra dough for Vitamin supplements and Medication in your golden grease years. A walker will be provided if you choose to attend the next "How to clean a hood" instructional class. If ya need to get on the roof, your Sol.
grizzley
Member
Stan Sauve said:
No, you are not. I did not certify you.
Stan Sauve said:
Ummm, nooooo! You can not do that! Only I can certify ANYONE to clean hoods.
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My point is that WHO!!??? can certify? What is defined as "CERTIFIED"? And again, I must emphases that an SINGLE ENTITY is NOT "certified" to certify someone. That is NOT how the world works.
Imagine if someone off the streets "certified" doctors.
Imagine if someone off the streets "certified" school teachers.
Who certifies the fire suppression system techs? You know, the guys that go out and actually work on and install these puppies? Is it Joe Blow who says "I'm the teacher" or is it the company who designed the unit?
For example.... Put Beco links on an Ansul system and see if Ansul will pay for an insurance claim. Not going to happen.
That is an example of the MANUFACTURE stating WHAT IS and WHAT ISN'T proper, not the local AHJ or some guy off the street.
My main point is that the manufacture needs to set the standards for their hoods and then pass that information onto cleaners. For example, the type of chemical that is approved, recommended water temp., simple reminders that grease collects in "this" or "that" particular area on this particular hood, etc.. etc...
The bad thing is that cleaning is an art, and art is hard to teach. There are the basics, and then there is the "get in and get your hands dirty".
I am not apposed to being certified. I just hope it is done correctly and not off the cuff and then have them come back and say "Opps, we did that wrong, let's do it THIS way now..."
I just don't want to be a guinea pig for a licensing board. I am way too busy to be a "beta tester".
David Saulque
Senior Moderator
The clear answer is the people who have credible schools, classes, and or basic programs that are demonstrated to the AHJ are the ones that certify. That is the real world.
Major Hood manufactures refer to the URL for cleaning spec. NFPA refers to cleaning of hoods and what is expected at completion.
Major Hood manufactures refer to the URL for cleaning spec. NFPA refers to cleaning of hoods and what is expected at completion.
Grant
Administrator
To quote the NFPA
"Acceptable to the Authority having Jurisdiction"
It is pretty clear that each jurisdiction can set their own criteria. Would it be best if the criteria was customized for different parts of the country that may require different needs or should the criteria be standardized? Keep in mind that each AHJ can require more than the standard or code requires.
"Acceptable to the Authority having Jurisdiction"
It is pretty clear that each jurisdiction can set their own criteria. Would it be best if the criteria was customized for different parts of the country that may require different needs or should the criteria be standardized? Keep in mind that each AHJ can require more than the standard or code requires.
grizzley
Member
Correct...
However, I think I am looking at it different than some others here.
There are two "types" of AHJ:
1) The state fire marshal (backed by a state board for licensing purposes)
2) Local fire marshal
At times, there is no 'local' AHJ standards (especially for greasers).
First, the STATE needs to be given the opportunity to adopt the system, and then the local cities. Otherwise, you are working backwards.
The State sets the minimum standards, and then the cities/towns either use that or adds to them.
At this point in time, I am not even remotely concerned with the local fire marshals. They use the foundation and framework that is setup by the State.
I think I look at this somewhat different than others do. I am used to dealing with "State Licensing Boards" and "National Licensing Boards" not "Joe Blow" for certifications. State and National Boards have their own standards, not Joe Blows Course Of Certification.
I see a bad foundation being put down for a system that could potentially be a very good thing.
However, I think I am looking at it different than some others here.
There are two "types" of AHJ:
1) The state fire marshal (backed by a state board for licensing purposes)
2) Local fire marshal
At times, there is no 'local' AHJ standards (especially for greasers).
First, the STATE needs to be given the opportunity to adopt the system, and then the local cities. Otherwise, you are working backwards.
The State sets the minimum standards, and then the cities/towns either use that or adds to them.
At this point in time, I am not even remotely concerned with the local fire marshals. They use the foundation and framework that is setup by the State.
I think I look at this somewhat different than others do. I am used to dealing with "State Licensing Boards" and "National Licensing Boards" not "Joe Blow" for certifications. State and National Boards have their own standards, not Joe Blows Course Of Certification.
I see a bad foundation being put down for a system that could potentially be a very good thing.
David Saulque
Senior Moderator
3.2.2Authority Having Jurisdiction(AHJ) An organization, office, or individual responsible for enforcing the requirements of the code or standard, or for approving equipment, materials, an installation, or procedure.
So even a insurance company could be a AHJ-You don't need to wear a fire hat to be a AHJ.
So even a insurance company could be a AHJ-You don't need to wear a fire hat to be a AHJ.
mtngoat
Member
Hey Grizz and the rest of the crew.
I suggest we get involved with our (YOUR) local fire inspectors to see that this is done correctly.This is only Canada that we are currently speaking about.Correct me if I am wrong.
A mans work speaks for itself. That is if you have someone looking at it that has common sense.
Matt Looks like youve been in Bizz long enough, I say you get the green light.
I suggest we get involved with our (YOUR) local fire inspectors to see that this is done correctly.This is only Canada that we are currently speaking about.Correct me if I am wrong.
A mans work speaks for itself. That is if you have someone looking at it that has common sense.
Matt Looks like youve been in Bizz long enough, I say you get the green light.
indiana jones
Member
Sorry Matt,
Gus wants to know if you can knock $20.00 off that bill because you got grease on his clean carpets:
Gus wants to know if you can knock $20.00 off that bill because you got grease on his clean carpets:
Douglas Hicks
Member
In NFPA 96-2004 is a picture of a "grease Comb". It is to be used to measure the thickness of the grease. Any sheet metal shop could make a grease comb for you.
I'll bet you thought the grease comb was something I used to hied my bald spot so I did not have to do a comb-over.
Stan, keep us appraised on your project. At least you are getting some feedback from those of us in the field.
Have you given any thought to inviting the area cleaners to an information meeting so every one knows about the new standard? Now that would take guts, especially since you are not allowed to arm yourself in Canada. Could you take an 1 1/2 in with you?
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
I'll bet you thought the grease comb was something I used to hied my bald spot so I did not have to do a comb-over.
Stan, keep us appraised on your project. At least you are getting some feedback from those of us in the field.
Have you given any thought to inviting the area cleaners to an information meeting so every one knows about the new standard? Now that would take guts, especially since you are not allowed to arm yourself in Canada. Could you take an 1 1/2 in with you?
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
grizzley
Member
Grant said:
But don't fool yourself and think they "self govern". They are STILL regulated by some government offical, and in the case of this thread, it is the fire dept.
Do you think a property manager is going to shut his business down if he isn't compliant?? No, I don't either.
Do Police Officers go into buildings and check these things? No.
Do Fire Depts (inspectors)? Yes.
So, the comment of 'You dont have to wear a red fire helmet..." is true, but, if we rely on self governing, it will go nowhere. Insurance companies do ANNOUNCED inspections on what percent of their buildings? I have been inspected ONCE by my insurance company (got busted for no fire extinguisher in the building. There were a few hundred around, but none mounted on the wall).
If a fire dept is going to shut down a facility and NEED renforcement, they call Police. It's a cycle... Step 1 Step 2 Step 3, etc.
Step 1 should start at the State level, then the local level, etc.
Isn't this what we are talking about???
Besides, if self governing is effective, why not let the hood cleaners self govern? It's bascially the same thing, isn't it? Make US the "ATJ"!
An insurance company isn't "authority". All they can do is say "We will not insure you if..." A "TRUE" authrity is someone who can say "If you don't do "This or That" you will go be fined and possible jail time".
Let's get back on track here. We are talking about governing the hood cleaners not "what is an example of AHJ". Heck, my kids are the AHJ in their bedrooms.