can someone post

ron p

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the thread "pricing options" from Dave's site here. I cant.
It will make some feel good about what they charge and piss-off some people.
1 guy charges less because because he has a 30" surface cleaner and can do it faster.
>50 cents a lin ft for mobile home washing.
"happy to get $35 per hour"
I know that site has a lot of home depot washers but.....
are things getting worse or better?
 
A guy with a cold washers doesnt need to make 45 or 65....

Things are getting better...someone will always be charging less.

Most of the time they don't do good work. they cant for 20 or 30 and hour.
 
Hey Ron, I posted at the site you were talking about. I wrote on the pwn board a day or two ago about that thread on Dave's board. I hope you weren't saying my prices were bad. I was way higher then all those guys. I wasn't sure if you were saying mine were good or bad. I go a little lower on the mobile homes but I found I can't go higher and get any of them. I charge 50 cents a linear foot for those but on a house I double that for a 1 story. Most mobile homes I charge between $90 and $120. It gets me about $60 an hour on those. When times get bad and I go a week or two with no work then I tend to try and grab what I can to keep stuff coming in but when I am busy I kick a lot of the little stuff to another guy in town here and he gives me his big stuff. He does small stuff and can't handle big jobs. As far as using my surface cleaner goes I cahrge between .05 and .10 cents a sq. ft. it all depends on the amount of sq. ft. being done. Decks are the hardest thing around here to sell people on. They want you to do them for the same you do concrete. Most of my lost bids are on decks. I see alot of guys around here doing mobile homes for $40 so I think I am not low. My primary business is brick washing for a few masonry companies aroud here. I get between .40 to .55 a sq. ft. for washing brick. That price is just for the labor. All materials and the lift is extra. However those other guys saying they make $35 an hour and washing ranch houses for $50 and 2 story houses for $100 that is crazy. There are times I can make $120+ an hour washing brick and then there are times where I get a really bad job and have all kinds of problems and I only make $30 an hour. I have my break even at about $30 an hour. That is where I walk away from a job and cover all expenses and that is it. I figure every year I need $600 for insurance, $2000 for advertising, $1500 for pw maintence and replacement(of course I don't replace a pw every year I am figuring over a longer period), and $1500 for truck maintence. I don't count my truck insurance as a business expense since I had the truck before I started pressure washing. I do count it at tax time though. I also don't include my cell phone. This is another thing I don't count since I would have that whether I pw'ed or not. Again I do still claim it on taxes. I do count that it costs me $1500 a year of wear and tear on my truck that normally wouldn't be there if I didn't pw. That is about $5600 a year I need to cover every year. I also have my chems, gas, and other stuff but that gets covered by the job. That $5600 needs to covered no matter what. I guess the more you spend on chems is kinda in realtion to how much work you are doing. I am still new to this and am working on adjusting prices. This was my first full time year but 3 rd overall. I remember when i first started doing residential work. I was making like $15 to $20 an hour and thought it was cool. As I went along I realized the added expense of everything. I know that from what I made this year I need to do some adjusting. My goal this coming year is to make $50,000. This would be just me operating the show. I kinda figure that I get to keep about half of what I make. So $25,000 still isn't alot but I don't consider it that bad for working only 7 months out of the year. I am looking into the snow plowing for next year. A good wage for my area in a factory is about $10 to $12 an hour. That is about $20,000 to $24,000 a year gross. So take home that would be about $14,000 to $17,000. If I can take home $25,000 for 7 months of work I think that wouldn't be too bad. I would like more of course but I know I have to start somewhere. I guess a long term goal would be to make a $1,000,000 a year but I know that probably won't happen. I hope to be able to back on here at the end of next year and say I made $100,000. I made about $32,000 this year. I had tons of deductions so that has helped with not owning much taxes but I know next year will be way different. I guess I am kinda rambling on and on. I am definitely not a home depot guy. Ipaid about $4,300 for my last machine. Not something you find at home depot. I have about $15,000 wrapped up in my equipment not including my truck. I consider myself more then a weekend warrior. But like I said i am still learning. I am open to all suggestions. One more point I would like to add. A lot of pricing depends on where you are at. I live in a Dutch conserative community. It is hard to get people to pay good around here. I still do ok though. that is why most of my work is in brick washing. To me that is where the money is. The money I get for washing brick .40 to .55 a sq. ft. is a lot higher then I have seen a lot of other people washing it for. i seen someone say they wash it for less then .15 a sq. ft. There is no way I could see someone doing it for that much. Anyway go Giants!!!!
 
Link to Daves board

Could someone please give me a link to this board. I dont think it
has much to offer but, there are a few people that post there I like to read.

There was some interesting comments between Espec amnd EPPS
manufacturing a while back.
 
This is a particularly bad time of year for many people in this business, when they realize that they are not making enough money to pay themselves a salary, pay their expenses and pay Uncle Sam and co. That's sad because we delude ourselves into thinking next year will be better, but unless we sit down and figure out what we need to charge for our services we will be going deeper into that dark hole.

I believe I found the solution in a book called, "HOW MUCH SHOULD I CHARGE - Pricing Basics for Making Money Doing What You Love." I found it at the public library. The author is Ellen Rohr who has an MBA from Penn State (I Think) and runs a Heating A/C Business with her husband. It's basic economics for a service business and is written so everyone can understand. Shows you a simple formula for creating a selling price. It's an easy read shows budgeting and sales forecasting. It shows you how to forget the "going rate" or "what the market will bear!" Do what you love and make lots of money. It's $19.99 plus S&H, you can order it from Barnes & Noble, Borders or thru your favorite book store. It's a book you can sit down with pen and paper and figure out what you should charge - not what the other guys in town charge. If you get it - you'll open your eyes to real world economics and be a very happy camper! If you don't you'll be floundering in a sea of confusion. This is for newbies and oldies, for everyone - even the folks thinking about getting into the biz. It's the best, easiest, reading business book I've ever seen. If you don't do anything else tomorrow get this book, it'll turn your head around!
 
i have

stopped judgeing what others charge because all prices are /or should be done according to your overhead.
If we could get the PW's at the lower end of the scale to include everything that's included in PWing. We might be able to get prices up.
A guy charging $50 to wash a ranch house is not thinking about what his truck cost because he uses the thinking"i need a truck to get to my reg. job anyway."
More then likely he wont pay tax's on that $50.
Education is the only way to improve the industry, not by just telling people that they need to charge this or that.
When they post $14 for a tractor wash,the poster might be thinking about what he charges to wash 20 rigs at a time.
A new guy might see the same post and think $14 is the right price for himself and travel 30 min to wash 1 rig.
Price lists dont work because there are too meny variables.
You need some kind of worksheet that includes all your overhead,job costs,tax's,and hours. Then what you want to make as profit. Then add a % to the buissness for the cost of fixing and replaceing equipment.
If you did that you could see that by charging $50 to wash a house you might just be doing it for FREE or worse, looseing money.
Every spring a new crop of wrong thinkers comes along.
Some are just doing what they think is right.
How do you get a guy to raise his price and still get the phone to ring?
I'll check out the book.
 
Ron is 100% on the money. It is like the restaurant businesses.
there will always be "fast food" contractor charging "fast food " prices. Further , there will always be family restaurants trying to charge "fast food" prices. Then , there will be fine dining restaurants who charge appropriate prices.
the problem seems to still be though that there are too many companies that charge fine dining prices and do "fast food" quality work! It shouldn't matter what size of your company whether or not you do quality work. This is what hurts this business "pricing that just doesn't make sense."

Just my opinion only , not meant to offend any particular contractor , just an overview of how I see this industry.
 
Pricing of services is based on economics, not on my opinion. People every month are getting out of this business and they can't figure why they didn't make enough money to survive. They did a lot of work, but they can't afford to pay into a retirement account, pay health insurance or for that matter pay a regular salary to themselves and their workers. What this book SHOWS you in simple form is how much to charge in order to run your business and stay at it. It's basic economics for service businesses and it works! There is a quote in the book,"Until YOU change, nothing will change for you." This is real education, it's a Ph.D. in pricing! Look it up at amazon.com, there are a couple of reviews - but the fact is this book fits our business to a tee. "HOW MUCH SHOULD I CHARGE ? Pricing Basics for Making Money Doing what You Love."
 
www.heatinghelp.com is a site sponsered by Dan Holahan. He is a HVAC contractor. Look at "Dan's reading list". Not only does he sell the above mentioned book, but he has more that will help the independant contractor.

Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
 
Mel,
Thanks for the link.

Also wanted to congratulate you on your new set of twins!

Judging by their picture I see they are in great health.

Bet they are keeping their daddy up late at night! LOL

Are they from the same company as the one you sold to the gravel company? Cheaper in pairs?
 
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I have Holohan's book, "JUST ADD H2OH?" Pretty good, but not even close to the "How Much Should I charge?" What makes the HOW MUCH book so good is that it's such an easy read. A suggestion, read through fast one time and then get a pen, calculator and paper and write down your numbers. It's too cool!
 
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