Hello From Tom Durbin At Hot And Mighty Mobile Cleaning Systems

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Hi, my name is Tom Durbin and I’m with T. George Podell And Company. We design and build Hot and Mighty Mobile Cleaning Systems. We specialize in enclosed trailer units, single or dual operator systems running up to 10 GPM and 10,000 PSI. We have operated not only as an industrial equipment supplier but also as an industrial cleaning contractor for more than 30 years. We are kind of like Orange County Choppers meets dirt. We have a wide variety of open and enclosed trailer systems. Each custom built to our clients specific needs. You all might have heard of some of our trailer units such as The General, Chopper, Invader or The Boss.
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As a cleaning contractor we, like the majority of you, have seen our fair share of nasty, dirty jobs. We have completed work for large institutions such as AM General, AACOA, Notre Dame and Bosch to name a few and rarely every shy away from our local customers who may need a patio cleaned. We have and continue to do it all, from industrial, commercial and residential cleaning, masonry restoration and construction and boiler repairs and maintenance.
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There is a new challenge facing all of us in one way or another. In other countries they already are requiring recycling equipment for all non-residential cleaning. Here in the States, regulations are tightening on a county-by-county basis. Don’t let new EPA regulations for the dumping of non-treated wash water or for some the pure lack of water become a roadblock for your success. We are finding that more and more what has been our typical wash and dump method of cleaning is no longer acceptable. In fact many large chain stores will no longer consider this type of cleaning acceptable. We have designed and built a top quality recovery and recycling system.<o></o>

The Hot And Mighty WR2 is a completely closed looped system. It is unlike any other system available. It is comprised of a 425 CFM Vacuum operating off a 23 HP motor and Gardner Denver blower. We have the best filtration that can be cleaned hundreds if not thousands of times before begin replaced. We have large filters for higher dirt load capacity. We use effluent pumps in our pump out drums. Every system comes standard with two interceptor drums to catch rocks and heavy dirt. This recovery vacuum is only pushing 80% capacity and we have a built in generator that eliminates the need for a third motor.<o></o>

This system can be modular or purchased on a skid frame with tanks underneath the equipment. This is a turnkey package. All that is required is to hitch up your hose and start reclaiming your wash water. <o></o>

For those of you that have EPA guideline requiring the recycling of your wash water we offer our Hot And Mighty Oil Separator. This oil-water-solids separator operates with (3) 10” x 23” Bag filters at a 20 GPM recycling rate. All the wash water is then pumped back into the water holding tank for reuse. <o></o>
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Hello Ron,

Thank You for the call and the kind words.
 
whats up tom. i always wondered why u were part of the crowd.. well its good to see you here...
 
Thanks Chris, did you get your water recovery tool?
 
Hey tom no I didn't play with it yet
 
Welcome to the site.


I have a question for you, I have heard from many industry experts and engineers that it is hard to get the soap out of recovered water without using equipment that cost over $50,000.00.

Do you have equipment that will get the soap out of the water for less than that or is it still a goal out there that can't be easily met for under that amount of money.

I know about separating the oils, fats, greases from the water along with the sediment but I am not crazy about the idea of running the cleaned and filtered soap/water back through my pump if it can be avoided with the right system because of the different ph's involved, potential soap scum residue left behind and effect it might have on the packings over time.

Have you or anyone else out there done long term testing on what the effect of re-using waste water back through a pump will do the the pump cyllinders/packings? Not that it is that much money to repack the pump but it is down time and for those that do not know how to do this, it will mean a trip to the shop and money out of their pockets. Just wondering.

Also, for the final rinse of a large job, I don't want to rinse with reclaimed water as it will probably leave water spots/soap residue if that is in the water going through the pump unless there is a split water system so you re-use the water and at the end use fresh water for rinsing.

What is your opinion?

Thank You.
 
Not to steal the thread here but if your having to reclaim and reuse the water I feel it should be priced at a point that if you have to replace packings and a pump every once in a while it will more than pay for itself. Last time I put a set of packings into a tsf-2021 it was a tad over 100 with overnight shipping. For the more common ts-2021 I would think its about the same price. So if one were to wash say a garage and have to reclaim, recycle, and reuse the water one may decide to factor in a entire new pump into their price or profit to cover the extra maintenance of re-using washwater that has soaps in it. Thats just my opinion however
 
Christopher said:
Welcome to the site.


I have a question for you, I have heard from many industry experts and engineers that it is hard to get the soap out of recovered water without using equipment that cost over $50,000.00.

Do you have equipment that will get the soap out of the water for less than that or is it still a goal out there that can't be easily met for under that amount of money.

I know about separating the oils, fats, greases from the water along with the sediment but I am not crazy about the idea of running the cleaned and filtered soap/water back through my pump if it can be avoided with the right system because of the different ph's involved, potential soap scum residue left behind and effect it might have on the packings over time.

Have you or anyone else out there done long term testing on what the effect of re-using waste water back through a pump will do the the pump cyllinders/packings? Not that it is that much money to repack the pump but it is down time and for those that do not know how to do this, it will mean a trip to the shop and money out of their pockets. Just wondering.

Also, for the final rinse of a large job, I don't want to rinse with reclaimed water as it will probably leave water spots/soap residue if that is in the water going through the pump unless there is a split water system so you re-use the water and at the end use fresh water for rinsing.

What is your opinion?

Thank You.
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Chris,
The problem with trying to take soap out of wash water is that you have to go through a very time consuming process. It can be done it is expensive and time consuming. My clients rarely use any soap as with the proper pressure and heat proper cleaning can occur if the operator spends a little more time cleaning the surfaces. A little bit of soap in the wash water system will not cause aproblem as it will be greatly diluted.

As with most portable systems the key is to change the water every couple of days. You can add circulation pumps and chemicals to prolong the water life but it is much easier to change the water. With a properly designed water recycling system you will have no problems getting a discharge permit from local waste water authorities.

T. George Podell and Company has been using similar water recycling equipment in their Cleaner Phosphoric Recycling Systems since 1989. With that system we recycle the water filtering it to 20 microns leaving the chemical and wash water for reuse through their General PW 3555 pressure washer pumps. This system is used to pretreat large metal products prior to painting. The factories that use this equipment constantly pump recycled water through their pumps.

Yes you can rinse with fresh water if you like but there is no need if washing concrete, buildings etc.. So you know most car washes use recycled rinse water.
 
Chris Tharpe said:
Not to steal the thread here but if your having to reclaim and reuse the water I feel it should be priced at a point that if you have to replace packings and a pump every once in a while it will more than pay for itself. Last time I put a set of packings into a tsf-2021 it was a tad over 100 with overnight shipping. For the more common ts-2021 I would think its about the same price. So if one were to wash say a garage and have to reclaim, recycle, and reuse the water one may decide to factor in a entire new pump into their price or profit to cover the extra maintenance of re-using washwater that has soaps in it. Thats just my opinion however
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I have to say 100% accurate. Although you will not go through packings that fast you need to be in a $ 400.00 or more (depending on your area) price range to even consider taking a job that requires recycling equipment.
 
Welcome to PWI Tom! :welcome:
 
Thanks for the reply Tom.

I have a oil/water separator that goes down to 5 microns so I was thinking about using that one, feel safer at 5 microns if I ever had to re-use the water after taking the oil and sediment out of it.

I have wondered about the car wash locations, here there are a couple that claim to use 40% less water (if I remember correctly) and the cars come out clean.

If you re-use your wash water on windows, fleets, cars, etc... where you will be able to see residue and/or dirt left behind if not rinsed properly, filtering at 20 or down to 5 microns, do you think that you will see the car clean or is there a visible residue left behind from the soap in the system for someone that re-uses their wash water?

Thanks Tom.
 
Christopher said:
Thanks for the reply Tom.

I have a oil/water separator that goes down to 5 microns so I was thinking about using that one, feel safer at 5 microns if I ever had to re-use the water after taking the oil and sediment out of it.

I have wondered about the car wash locations, here there are a couple that claim to use 40% less water (if I remember correctly) and the cars come out clean.

If you re-use your wash water on windows, fleets, cars, etc... where you will be able to see residue and/or dirt left behind if not rinsed properly, filtering at 20 or down to 5 microns, do you think that you will see the car clean or is there a visible residue left behind from the soap in the system for someone that re-uses their wash water?

Thanks Tom.
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Hello Chris,

Are you related to The Oklahoma City and now Texas Chappel's? Just curious we go back along way with Roy.

The short answer to your question is Yes. If you put soap in a portable recycling system You will continue to reuse the soap. But the entire idea for recycling water is to be 100% recycled water or as close as you can get. We drastically limit the amount of soap we use when recycling. You are better off using my system as a pretreatment system for discharge when fleet washing, vehicle washing or any other cleaning were you use excessive chemicals.

A perfect example were this comes in handy. We recently cleaned the inside of a factory. Ceilings, walls and floors. We had a total area of 88,000 square feet to wash. The building was really greasy and the city was not about to take that water without it being treated. The ownser of the factory was agast when we gave him our price of $ 66,860.00. We did explain to the owner that when we contacted the city this water had to be treated prior to discharge. He got several other quotes and went with us eventhough we weren't the cheapest. He liked the idea of treating the water to protect the water supply and avoid fines. I took six guys five hot water blasters 6gpm@ 3500psi and went to work. We figured the job at three weeks including set up of the pretreatment system. We told our guys that if they got it down in two or less they would get a 500.00 bonus each. In a week and a half the job was done the owner was beside himself with the cleanliness of the building and has used us several times since.

The moral I guess, guys will pay more to do the right thing. I know first hand the cleaning market is getting tight. Why continue to fight over the same hill with your so called Competitors? Make a new hill. Be ahead of the curve.

I have people that do fleet washing that treat the water and send it back to the city. Others treat the water and leave it in totes for pick-up and treatment by authorized waste haulers. Some still wash right to ground. It all depends on what you want fot your company.

Ask yourself do you want to fight over the same tired hill constantly dropping prices until all you have is a job? Or do you want to take it to the next level by slowing down, using the right equipment, use less chemicals, protect the enviornment and do superior work building the reputation as the go to be the Best Cleaning Contractor in your area.
 
Chris, I forgot to say that 20 micron is so small you can't see it let alone 5. I think either will work. What is your oil content? How many prefilters do you use to get out the rocks, dirt and cigarette butts?
 
Grateful

Thank You to all who welcomed me to this board. I am afraid I have a new addiction though. I love pressure washing and pressure washers. For me this is like going golfing, fishing and Notre Dame football all rolled into one. I plan to help werever possible. If anyone has questions feel free to give me a shout
 
Tomdurbin said:
Thank You to all who welcomed me to this board. I am afraid I have a new addiction though. I love pressure washing and pressure washers. For me this is like going golfing, fishing and Notre Dame football all rolled into one. I plan to help werever possible. If anyone has questions feel free to give me a shout
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Man Tom, you had me up until you said Notre Dame, ahhhhhhh How bout a ROOOOOOOOLLLLLLL TIDE :eek:k:
 
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