Help w/conversion from powder to liquid
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ron p/ marv
i will guess your talking about a product like "socket it" its a super pool chloranator?
I tried to mess with that one time. It is made to work on 1000's of gal. of water, not 5 gal pails. It is also slow disolving.
I could never get it right.
I bought a reg. test kit for swimming pools, you know the yellow dye. Then kept mixing it untill i thought it was stong enuff to downstream. Then took the sample to a pool supply and had the level tested. It worked but was a real hassle. It never disolved the same,and they use fillers so i could'nt get it the same every time. It's made to use the whole package.
I think BETH still try's this method?
i will guess your talking about a product like "socket it" its a super pool chloranator?
I tried to mess with that one time. It is made to work on 1000's of gal. of water, not 5 gal pails. It is also slow disolving.
I could never get it right.
I bought a reg. test kit for swimming pools, you know the yellow dye. Then kept mixing it untill i thought it was stong enuff to downstream. Then took the sample to a pool supply and had the level tested. It worked but was a real hassle. It never disolved the same,and they use fillers so i could'nt get it the same every time. It's made to use the whole package.
I think BETH still try's this method?
You hit it on the nose Ron (very smart) when you said:
"It never disolved the same, and they use fillers so I couldn't get it the same every time. It's made to be used as a whole package."
Problem is when you are scooping out portions, you can never be sure how much filler and how much active ingredient you are getting. One time you may get 90% active and 10% filler, the next time 80% active and 20% filler. (I tried to explain this to some other folks that were mixing their own chemicals - without much luck - too bad.)
The best solution would be to mix it all into a 55 gallon drum, then dilute further from there. It should last thru a season if kept out of the sun and capped tightly. (My brother in-law uses 55 gallon liquid chlorine for his pool and goes thru about 2 drums in a season.)
If the pool place can't help with the mixing, try calling or e-mailing the manufacturer - someone there should know how much liquid to add to get you to a percentage divisible by 5 (makes it a bit easier when diluting).
Regards,
"It never disolved the same, and they use fillers so I couldn't get it the same every time. It's made to be used as a whole package."
Problem is when you are scooping out portions, you can never be sure how much filler and how much active ingredient you are getting. One time you may get 90% active and 10% filler, the next time 80% active and 20% filler. (I tried to explain this to some other folks that were mixing their own chemicals - without much luck - too bad.)
The best solution would be to mix it all into a 55 gallon drum, then dilute further from there. It should last thru a season if kept out of the sun and capped tightly. (My brother in-law uses 55 gallon liquid chlorine for his pool and goes thru about 2 drums in a season.)
If the pool place can't help with the mixing, try calling or e-mailing the manufacturer - someone there should know how much liquid to add to get you to a percentage divisible by 5 (makes it a bit easier when diluting).
Regards,
ron p
if it were me i would not use anything higher then 6%. That is = to 100% household bleach.
This is the very most i would use then x-jet it. That put's it at 3% applied.
Anything higher then that will kill most plants.
Also it will have such a bad bleach smell the customer will hate you.
If you are going to downstream it you could go higher but still 3% applied is plenty strong.
Be carefull with the amount you carry on your rig and dont forget the MSDS for it.
Dont want a fireman to get hurt if you ever did get into an accident.
if it were me i would not use anything higher then 6%. That is = to 100% household bleach.
This is the very most i would use then x-jet it. That put's it at 3% applied.
Anything higher then that will kill most plants.
Also it will have such a bad bleach smell the customer will hate you.
If you are going to downstream it you could go higher but still 3% applied is plenty strong.
Be carefull with the amount you carry on your rig and dont forget the MSDS for it.
Dont want a fireman to get hurt if you ever did get into an accident.
Can't tell you that but.....
Most bleaches are 6% Sodium Hypochlorite by weight.
So 6% of the total weight of 1 gallon (ex: Chlorox Bleach) is SH.
Can't tell how much of the powder you have is filler by weight unless it's 22% of the 1 pound package you have. Which would make it 78% SH by weight. So if a gallon of water weighs 8.34#, then you would have to take 6% of that from the 78% granule ....
If so, then 12.48 oz. of the 1# package is SH. 1 gal. water is 133.44 oz. by weight (6% = 8 oz. by weight). 78% concentration would need 10.26 oz. of your mix (if all else I've assumed is correct). I hope someone is checking my math.
But it doesn't look right - that a 1# bag would only make the equivalent of roughly 1-1/2 gallons of 6% liquid chlorine.
Who knows ????
I'm not sure if they grade SH the same as acids (20 Baume, 21, 22, 23, etc.)
Some of the granules are actually Sodium dichloro-s-triazinetrione, Dihydrate which even at 99% active level will only give you 56% available chlorine (one specific brand). Then there are others that are 97% active and still have 89% available chlorine, then a 3rd one I looked at has 99% active and has 90% available chlorine.
Best bet is to work with your pool supply shop or the manufacturer based on the specific product. Ask them how you should mix it with water to get you to 10-12% chlorine level.
You could also play around with an electronic PH meter (sold at pool supply shops) or have the pool supply shop check. I'm not sure how accurate those are but it may get you into the ballpark.
Let us know how you come out in the end.
Regards,
Most bleaches are 6% Sodium Hypochlorite by weight.
So 6% of the total weight of 1 gallon (ex: Chlorox Bleach) is SH.
Can't tell how much of the powder you have is filler by weight unless it's 22% of the 1 pound package you have. Which would make it 78% SH by weight. So if a gallon of water weighs 8.34#, then you would have to take 6% of that from the 78% granule ....
If so, then 12.48 oz. of the 1# package is SH. 1 gal. water is 133.44 oz. by weight (6% = 8 oz. by weight). 78% concentration would need 10.26 oz. of your mix (if all else I've assumed is correct). I hope someone is checking my math.
But it doesn't look right - that a 1# bag would only make the equivalent of roughly 1-1/2 gallons of 6% liquid chlorine.
Who knows ????
I'm not sure if they grade SH the same as acids (20 Baume, 21, 22, 23, etc.)
Some of the granules are actually Sodium dichloro-s-triazinetrione, Dihydrate which even at 99% active level will only give you 56% available chlorine (one specific brand). Then there are others that are 97% active and still have 89% available chlorine, then a 3rd one I looked at has 99% active and has 90% available chlorine.
Best bet is to work with your pool supply shop or the manufacturer based on the specific product. Ask them how you should mix it with water to get you to 10-12% chlorine level.
You could also play around with an electronic PH meter (sold at pool supply shops) or have the pool supply shop check. I'm not sure how accurate those are but it may get you into the ballpark.
Let us know how you come out in the end.
Regards,