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Go to Steve/glenn www.thecleanernetwork.com and check out "todays job" it is homeowner flatwork.
I do not wish to be critical of anyones work but would like some opinion's on that job.
The last post suggestest that a surface cleaner was NOT used. I think that was ment as a bust on the workmanship. I dont think that busting is helping and that's why we are hear. To help.
I do think he could use some advise but i would like to see what others think.
What would you do diffrently and what would you charge?
 
One of the big mistakes that I saw was that he did not rinse it down after he was done. There were a few places that looked like that he had run his surface cleaner over, with the gun open, to get to a starting point.
I would not be happy with the job, and I sure do not know why he used an x-jet on it:rolleyes: Maybe he thinks that is the cool way to apply chemicals. I dunno>

Scott
 
First off he doesn't have a hot water Powerwasher so that makes a job like that a little harder to do which was probably the reason why he used the X-jet in the first place to apply the chemicals to help in the cleaning.

Also since he says he pretty much used the Surface Cleaner to clean most of the Concrete what we might be seeing is old Wand markings from previous contractors that cleaned this driveway in the past. I run accross this at times especially when cleaning wood. Old Scars have a way of re-appearing because they are what they are which is damage.

Can't remember now but maybe the cement was still drying some when he took the after photo also.

Would I be happy with this job?? Once again I can't say because I would need more info like to the questions I have above.

Most Importantly The Homeowners were happy and that is what counts the most.
 
Went, saw and replied.

I give him credit for the job, face it for a cold water machine he did pretty good, sure we can improve on it but we are not him with little experience.

Jon
 
Q for Steve

Steve...I got a x jet and it came with one stainless nozzle and some plastic partitionrs . Whats the close range nozzle for the x jet? Thanks Bryan Brimage Cen Cal Pressure Wash
 
That’s the direct link…
http://www.thecleanernetwork.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=671&perpage=10&pagenumber=3

Ron P. please post the direct link, make things easier. I pulled the photos here to help also.


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Are we ready to upset everyone…..??????????

I’m sorry I don’t agree. I think the job looks pretty good. Seems you can always do a job with more efficiency. For the most part looks like the end result turned out. Maybe people are looking at shadows? ten year old concrete is going to have blemishes.(permanent ones)

Spreading chemicals with and x-jet?????? I don’t agree with using and x-jet on a small flat surface area. It’s a waist of chemicals. (It’s a guy’s dream that sells chemicals for everyone to use an X-jet on these smaller areas) A pump sprayer is better…. You can control and spread the chemicals as you go. If you spread chemicals to far ahead it can cause problems. I believe you would have more control with a pump sprayer. I don’t believe in sur-flows for smaller jobs. You’re using an under powered machine you should spray as you go and the chemicals will have a better effect and action. Spraying to far out is no good, you’re just wasting chemicals. Treat area as you go and clean while the chemicals are still hot. I don’t care if you use caustic or acid,,,I use both depending on the situation. This situation I believe either would have been ok. (The rust I would have gotten and I have told Jon the secret I’m surprised he didn’t catch you had trouble getting it.

(Caustic) if the surface dries before you get there its stops working. When it gets wet it activates.

(Acid) when it dries the action is gone. Wet it and you have nothing.

Control your chemicals don’t let them control you.

RUST’’’’’ Call me if you want to get the rust out… To much time to explain the method..6026942680 cell phone.

Steve, I agree with his comment,, try to take the same or something even close on the before and after pictures.



Garden hose,1000 psi, 2000psi, 3000psi or 4000psi….. Except for gum,,, I said gum…. I can get concrete just as clean as you can with out hot water. Gum being the only exception to this rule. I bet that in some circumstances I can clean better than you because some here don’t understand chemicals. Chemical can do your cleaning. Skeptics, have you ever pulled up to a commercial job and tried to get a demo and could not get one? You asked the management if you could get there business and they said we don’t pressure wash. How do you think they got this concrete clean? With a deck brush some backbone and a super chemical and often a special needs employee. I’m not making fun of special needs people other than they make great employees and work better than most people. I have a 60 store corporate account with a larger fast-food chain and they have one of these super people that they don’t need me on store #61. Johnny is this guys name and he’s cleans this place so well every day no one can get a demo. I first meet Johnny about 3 years ago when we got the account and the management informed me that if they had 60 more Johnny’s I would not have a job. LOL Johnny uses a deck brush a hose and sodium met silicate.
This job is so clean you can not clean it any better…. Johnny uses a cold water garden hose at about 7.3 gallons a minute. He spends four hours every morning. I just wish Johnny could drive I would have hired him..LOL



Jon,

You’re my friend and I want you to know surfaces can be cleaned Just as well with a garden hose and the right chemicals. It’s all about can they be cleaned easier? Yes hotwater is faster and more efficient. Hotwater is the best and fastest way. Hotwater can make chemicals work better and faster. This only means it will take less time. End results can be equal just you get there faster with hot water. (Gum being the only problem with cold water)




Jim Carroll ,

Your right, customer being happy is very important. I can tell you I have had customers happy and I thought my guys could have done a better job. I caught one this week. We had a guy quit. We checked his jobs from the day before and we found a couple that he skated across. The customers where happy but I was not. We redid the jobs and I was happy. I’m not suggesting you where implying that if the customer was happy and regardless or the job that’s all that matters. I think you and I really don’t see a problem with this job. (I agree on this one that its about and improvement of 1000%......)



Man oh man,,, I see many responses I don’t agree with in this thread………can’t answer them all…


Ron P. maybe you set me up on this one? LOL I sure would like to respond to your pricing question. I’m going to post some numbers on some stuff and give some accurate info. Thanks for getting this guy some help. After this thread I’m sure he will be totally confused. LOL


To others I don’t agree with. Respectfully I’m sorry and apologize to those. My opinion is that just and opinion. (Please don’t be offended) if I’m wrong and I have been in the past I want to know the right way. So please tell me if you disagree with anything I’ve said. If trying anything I say and you can get it I can call you or I can video tape it and send it whatever we have to do. I can even go by Johnny store and take demos. (Only I won’t get one not even on the curbs.) LOL
 
Close Range Nozzle

Bryan, A close range nozzle is a nozzle that screws into the end of the X-Jet that will reduce the pressure and fan out the spray. Most sell the X-Jet without it and some include it withit. It depends on where you purchase it Ron, everyone has a different method. Like Strickland says " If we were all the same you would not be needed". I would use mine even if I did not sell chemicals. Too many people make the mistake of not using enough chemicals. I let the chemicals do the work and not the operator. With everything being considered you have to agree that Mark did a good job of making the customer happy with the equipment he has. Sure hot water would have been better but everyone does not have the same equipment as others have. I may be wrong but I don't think everyone here started out with the rigs that use today. It doesn't matter what we do someone will always be better, faster, cheaper and so on that is just how life is.
 
Steven I do think most agreed he did a fair/good job with what he had to use and the fact the customer was happy is what counts.

He did ask for advice and got it, he should not take it negatively but as a way to improve his work knowing he will someday have hot water, not a hot box but a true hot system. Sorry but not a fan of hot boxes.

As for the X-Jet being the way to go, I personally have never seen or tested one so cannot compare it to my Shur-Flo pump which does a good job for me. I have thought of getting a higher PSI/GPM Shur-Flo to reach out more, also would consider several factors, cost of Shur-Flo vs. X-Jet, set up and take down, maintance etc.

Hey I sure wish my competitors would listen to Ron S. and get out of town since they are not needed, but there is one wrong with that remark he says, if all my competitors were as good as I am I might not be needed either, so keep messing up the work fellows so I can come along and clean it right!
 
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