Loss of pressure due to friction. How does it affect gpm?

Ralph Q

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Ok. I know that there is a loss of psi due to hose length, gpm etc. I was always under the impression that you also lose flow. I have seen several threads and posts all over the place that say you don't lose flow, just psi. I am at a loss as to how this is possible.

EXAMPLE: If I am running a 10 gpm, 2500 psi machine and I am losing 900 psi with 200 feet of hose, How can my psi be 1600, with a #14 nozzle? If my machine is still putting out 10 gpm's? 10 gpm going through a #14 orifice nozzle produces 2500 psi.

I always thought that the friction caused back pressure that triggered the unloader to bypass water, and that's how you can get 1600 psi through a #`14 nozzle.

I looked at my bypass hose when I am running 200 feet of hose and saw water bypassing, never really looked hard enough but it looks like about a 1/2 gallon is being bypassed, but I am not sure. Now that doesn't make sense. I should be seeing about 1.25 gallons being bypassed, to get 1600 psi with a #14 nozzle. ( I'm actually using a #15 nozzle, but that's another story)

Is there some part of the law of physics that can account for this? How to get 10 gpms through a #14 nozzle and only produce 1600 psi? Has anyone really checked to see how much is actually being bypassed? I saw people say you can put 18 gpms through a 3/8" hose and you only lose pressure not flow. I can't understand the principle behind this. If you don't lose flow, how can the pressure be less through the same nozzle? Has anybody ever thought about this?

This is perplexing me because I always just assumed the unloader was bypassing the water needed to reduce the pressure, and that would make sense. But people are saying you don't lose flow, so that makes this very hard to grasp the concept.
 
Ralph what is your pump speed 1450 or 1750?If you are bypass in water anything less than a trickly you need to ajust the unloader to get full flow if the pump is a 1450 you should have got a 1750 for gear box reducer 2.1 ratio.How many hp engine you have?
 
Hal. I have a Udor/gearbox combo. Not sure what ratio it is running. Russ sent it to me and I slapped it on a 22 hp 670 cc engine. I adjusted the unloader with a 4 foot jumper, and I had perfect pressure with just a trickle. It is when I am using 100-200 feet of hose it bypasses. That's what I am trying to figure out.

Looked it up. I believe it is @1450 rpm
GKC 38/17-GR10.0250022 HP GasUD-12UD-349 lbs.

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Get 200 feet of 1/2 inch an see if that helps but i would just wash on if its not affecting the cleaning ability.There was alot of debating about this in the past some say 8gpms is max for 3/8 but not sure.
 
Going to 1/2" for the first 100' in a couple of weeks, Just because I need the pressure for driveways. Anything in the back of the house I do't need pressure at all except maybe pool decks. My post was more asking how you can get pressure loss without loss of flow. Which everyone says happens. If I get 2500 psi with a #14 nozzle, and full flow using a 4 foot jumper line, How can I get 1600 psi with 200 feet of hose using a #14 nozzle. If I am still getting full flow, the pressure should be 2500.
 
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