New Cleaning Manual -- Photos Needed

David Saulque said:
If you look at my post, I refer to this section. They are referring to the use of the Grease Comb, and how to use it. Why would or how can a cleaner clean down to .0002. I think that they are saying that if you inspect a period of time after a cleaning (7days) and you find that the depth is .0002 it does not have to be cleaned. At that level you would have to clean every other day.:)
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Look at 11.6.2.
 
WOW! Those phone calls and that text message must have come at you pretty quickly, because my post was not up for very long at all.

All I am really pushing for is more accountability in the KEC industry. I understand that would create a burden for some, and quite frankly, I do not care! You should be held accountable for the work you do, good or bad, IMO.

In other forums, here at PWI, people complain about the "low-balling-hacks" using cold water pressure washers that damage the cream coat on concrete when removing chewing gum. Their negligence doesn't cause a multi-million dollar fire, however it does damage the appearance of expensive concrete. The "low-balling-hacks" in the KEC industry are costing millions of dollars in fire damge annually, and at times their negligence is costing LIVES! If ranting about the damage to a store-front walkways is tolerated here at PWI, why wouldn't ranting about problems in the KEC industry be tolerated.
 
That is the point we ALL agree - No short cuts in NFPA 96. Simple process - Like saying speed & drinking kills.
 
Bunn
I don't have an "organization"

What we are trying to provide is a simple written value that will act as a benchmark for competency.

If a cleaner is found by the AHJ (insurance, fire, restaurant owner) to not have complied with the written values, then they will suffer the consequences.

What those consequences will be would be determined by the issue. It could be the loss of the job, payment or in the case of a fire, damages against the cleaners insurance company.
 
We have a school Phil Ackland/DPW training in Louisville (at Derby's shop) It is a 5 day class -- How to Succeed in the Exhaust Cleaning Business.

I do not personally teach it but did develop most of the material, protocol and format that are used. Jim, Rory, Speedy Laster and others add terrific depth and real world experience.

At the course, participants receive training in sales, cleaning, and certification both practical and theoretical. Basically much of what they need to succeed in this field.

This new fourth edition Manual (the purpose of this thread) received much of its "polish" from the feedback from those guys.

IN Louisville, we also periodically conduct Inspectors Seminars (where we train Fire and Building Inspectors on exhaust systems and their associate fire hazard issues)
 
I think you guy need to understand Phil is and educator. He writes the codes and helps develope the rules and standards.

TGP and other orgs can assist in the fight for better professionalism among the industry leaders in finding higher standards.

Phils correct, it might take more cleaners and owner paying damages to those injured and propertys destroy do to the neglect.

People drink and drive and we still pay the toll.
 
I have been speaking personally, not for TGP or any other organization. Saying that it may take more claims to make changes in the industry is completely unacceptable! Why should ANY restaurant owner have to suffer a needless insurance claim? Why can't one of the leaders in this industry do something to prevent the hacks from infiltrating their organizations, and tarnish that organization's reputation? If my name were Phil Ackland, I would NOT want members of PAC tarnishing my name and reputation. I would want PAC known as THE best certification one could obtain.
 
I think we all need to remember that Phil is an educator, the biggest in our industry. He has written more training material for our industry than probably all of the other experts combined. I have all of his manuals and keep them close by, I open each one every day, and it seems like I get something out of them each time.

Education is a thankless job, I think we should do everything we can to help out, and in the long run we will all be better people for it.

Maybe it is time to get this thread back on topic, and post some stuff that Phil might be able to use in his next cleaning manual. I will be emailing the full size photos of the scraper I tried to post earlier to him, and hopefully it will make it in to the new book.

I am sure there are other guys out there that have stuff to contribute, lets try to remain proffesional on this.
 
Phil Acklands is by far the best-for the most part everyone uses his manual.
 
That is what I would do. If you have any problems give me a call.
 
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